Shut down Endbridge line 5 that runs oil and natural gas under the straights of Macinaw.

Republicans and democrats are both agreeing.

As usual it takes some dumb asses a personal tragedy to come around:

Lawmakers speaking out against Line 5 now include state Sen. Rick Jones, R-Grand Ledge, a conservative once in the crosshairs of environmental activists but now lauded by them as a legislative star. His mother-in-law lost her home in the Kalamazoo spill.

It's that evil part in one that thinks if the NRA Ass wipes had a kid at Sandy Hook they'd do the same as this pussy from grand Ledge did when it became personal.

Anyway

Shut down the pipeline under the straights.

Luddites.

Among the arguments used by Canadian energy giant Enbridge in support of its Line 5 pipeline that runs through Michigan is that, if it’s closed, there will be a significant impact on energy prices for consumers.

But a new report, released Wednesday, takes issue with that assessment, concluding that any energy increases will be modest if the shutdown is coordinated properly.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/new-report-finds-enbridge-line-5-closure-will-cause-little-pain-michigan

Trapper Gus wrote:Among the arguments used by Canadian energy giant Enbridge in support of its Line 5 pipeline that runs through Michigan is that, if it’s closed, there will be a significant impact on energy prices for consumers.

But a new report, released Wednesday, takes issue with that assessment, concluding that any energy increases will be modest if the shutdown is coordinated properly.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/new-report-finds-enbridge-line-5-closure-will-cause-little-pain-michigan

Oh good. More inflation.

“The impact of these changes on consumer prices for refined petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel in Ontario and Quebec would likely be very modest, to the point that such changes would likely go unnoticed,” the report concludes.

Shutting down Line 5 because there was a spill from another pipeline makes about as much sense as shutting down I96 because there was a fatal accident on I75.

RQA wrote:Shutting down Line 5 because there was a spill from another pipeline makes about as much sense as shutting down I96 because there was a fatal accident on I75.

No, it's more like a bridge on I75 that was built by the same contractor, following the same standards, and maintained in the same manner, failed on I75 and now all the bridges build by that contractor and maintained in the same way are shut down.

Line 5 had a 50-year design life. It is 69 years old. It should have been shut down 19 years ago.

It is also run by a company whose maintenance records and accidents show they are poorly qualified to safely run pipelines. Before it was "sold" to a separate company to limit liability it was run by Koch Industries, who demanded maximum profits from operations, which forced their managers to reduce or end line maintenance.

It is extremely foolish to allow an oil pipeline to operate, regardless of the intentions of the owners, in an area where when it leaks it will cause to loss of Millions of dollars in state GDP and devastate one of the most visited tourist areas in the state.

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:Shutting down Line 5 because there was a spill from another pipeline makes about as much sense as shutting down I96 because there was a fatal accident on I75.  

No, it's more like a bridge on I75 that was built by the same contractor, following the same standards, and maintained in the same manner, failed on I75 and now all the bridges build by that contractor and maintained in the same way are shut down.

Line 5 had a 50-year design life.  It is 69 years old.  It should have been shut down 19 years ago.

It is also run by a company whose maintenance records and accidents show they are poorly qualified to safely run pipelines.  Before it was "sold" to a separate company to limit liability it was run by Koch Industries, who demanded maximum profits from operations, which forced their managers to reduce or end line maintenance.

It is extremely foolish to allow an oil pipeline to operate, regardless of the intentions of the owners, in an area where when it leaks it will cause to loss of Millions of dollars in state GDP and devastate one of the most visited tourist areas in the state.

And rQa...

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/11/21/report-market-could-adapt-to-line-5-shutdown-without-shortages-or-price-increases/

A report has found that a shutdown of the Line 5 pipeline would be both commercially and operationally feasible and proposes a number of alternatives for transporting crude oil and natural gas liquids.

PLG Consulting, which advises a variety of industries — including oil and gas — on logistics and supply chain solutions, published the report in October. While PLG notes it has no position on the merits of a shutdown, its report found there are a range of replacements for the pipeline that are both commercially and operationally feasible.

The report suggests transporting fuel by alternative means such as rail, Great Lake tankers and wait for it ... other pipelines.

The report offers no assurance that this combination will be safer or better environmentally than line 5.

Zurn wrote:The report suggests transporting fuel by alternative means such as rail, Great Lake tankers and wait for it ... other pipelines.

The report offers no assurance that this combination will be safer or better environmentally than line 5.

Therein lies the problem...

Equating Line 5, which traverses areas which never would recover from a major oil spill and other pipelines which are not crossing such ecologically sensitive areas.

Studies have shown shutting down Line 5 would have little economic or supply impact.

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/03/15/tribes-urge-u-s-to-weigh-in-on-line-5-case-as-appeal-sits-in-court/

[https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4586613-biden-administration-agrees-with-native-american-tribe-that-canadian-pipeline-is-trespassing/

Trapper Gus wrote:

Zurn wrote:The report suggests transporting fuel by alternative means such as rail, Great Lake tankers and wait for it ... other pipelines.

The report offers no assurance that this combination will be safer or better environmentally than line 5.

Therein lies the problem...

Equating Line 5, which traverses areas which never would recover from a major oil spill and other pipelines which are not crossing such ecologically sensitive areas.

Studies have shown shutting down Line 5 would have little economic or supply impact.

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/03/15/tribes-urge-u-s-to-weigh-in-on-line-5-case-as-appeal-sits-in-court/

Trapper posts a link to support his position that Line 5 should be shut down. It is then pointed out to Trapper that his link states that there is no assurance that the alternatives to Line 5 (other pipelines, tankers) will be more environmentally sound than line 5. Trapper then says his link his not accurate!

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Therein lies the problem...

Equating Line 5, which traverses areas which never would recover from a major oil spill and other pipelines which are not crossing such ecologically sensitive areas.

Studies have shown shutting down Line 5 would have little economic or supply impact.

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/03/15/tribes-urge-u-s-to-weigh-in-on-line-5-case-as-appeal-sits-in-court/

Trapper posts a link to support his position that Line 5 should be shut down. It is then pointed out to Trapper that his link states that there is no assurance that the alternatives to Line 5 (other pipelines, tankers) will be more environmentally sound than line 5. Trapper then says his link his not accurate!

Trap has been struggling with his links lately.

Let me think here ...

Line 5 runs under Lake Huron within a couple of miles some prime recreational areas and under part of the largest freshwater lake system on the globe.  It also runs across the UP and under some ecologically sensitive areas, illegally, btw, which are part of the great lake's watershed.

Thus, a leak in the approximately 75-year-old line which was designed for a 50-year operating life span in those areas will destroy parts of the great lakes ecology & tourist industry for years, if not permanently.

The alternate pipelines run mostly under much less sensitive areas.

It doesn't take a genius like TM or Zurn to see that shutting down this pod pipeline, managed by the same pipeline company which has shown it puts profits over pipeline maintenance with a number of leaks in pipelines already, is imperative.

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/04/10/u-s-government-weighs-in-on-line-5-appeal-noting-treaty-concerns-and-issues-with-damages/

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/04/29/climate-group-plans-legal-pushback-on-permit-for-line-5-tunnel-project/

And the beat goes on...