Stormy suing Trump

I really hope Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie don't run.  And I'm not talking about their views. As much as it pains me to say this, they are a pain in the ass to the left side of the political spectrum because of time in ofice and fatigue factor.  As much as that's wrong, and as much as I personally disagree with it, there is a wide portion of people in America that will not or could not vote for them based solely on that.  My point is, I don't know that they are electable.  This partially goes to Bob's point about how dumb a ton of Americans are.   And maybe I'm one of them.  However, I believe that if you got a candidate, new and not a retread, who has many of their same political points and believes in may of their same issues and they push them, some of the peole who wouldn't vote for Warren or Sanders would vote for the "new" guy or girl, just because they were the new guy or girl.   Dumb yes, but I am skeptical about how people percieve other people .

DWags wrote:I really hope Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie don't run.  And I'm not talking about their views. As much as it pains me to say this, they are a pain in the ass to the left side of the political spectrum because of time in ofice and fatigue factor.  As much as that's wrong, and as much as I personally disagree with it, there is a wide portion of people in America that will not or could not vote for them based solely on that.  My point is, I don't know that they are electable.  This partially goes to Bob's point about how dumb a ton of Americans are.   And maybe I'm one of them.  However, I believe that if you got a candidate, new and not a retread, who has many of their same political points and believes in may of their same issues and they push them, some of the peole who wouldn't vote for Warren or Sanders would vote for the "new" guy or girl, just because they were the new guy or girl.   Dumb yes, but I am skeptical about how people percieve other people .

Bernie is polling really well and I anticipate he'll be in the mix. My problem with him is he's very divisive. His fans supporters can't compromise when he loses and they cry foul. It's very divisive and destructive to the goal of trying to win an election. I hear what you are saying though. I saw a panel discussion on Real Time with Gavin Newsom on where Bill was talking about how 2020 is his golden opportunity to run. He's got experience but isn't to the point where he has 'baggage'.

steveschneider wrote:And the speculation is about to get bigger -

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/michael-avenatti-speak-iowa-fundraiser-known-attracting-presidential-hopefuls-n894781

I'd be fully onboard for him as VP though. Can you be in the middle of suing the guy you're running against? In court by day, campaign at night?

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:And the speculation is about to get bigger -

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/michael-avenatti-speak-iowa-fundraiser-known-attracting-presidential-hopefuls-n894781

I'd be fully onboard for him as VP though. Can you be in the middle of suing the guy you're running against? In court by day, campaign at night?

Funny after reading your post about experience and the office I was like he'd be a great advisor or vp. I watch him on Twitter the guy has balls. He's begging to go on Hannity or Tuckers show to debate Giulliani and they won't let him on and for good reason. He'd destroy him in a debate and destroy all of his ridiculous assertions. This is the reverse of how it usually runs it's usually the Fox heads calling other people too afraid to come on their show. I also read that it was leaked that Trump is envious of the guy and was asking 'why can't we get a guy like that?'.

Dwayne Johnson 2020.

I want to see OTPT lose his shit.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Dwayne Johnson 2020.

I want to see OTPT lose his shit.

Saw him on one of the late night shows & he himself said he's not qualified & needs experience, which of course drew a round of applause.

Heat Miser wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Dwayne Johnson 2020.

I want to see OTPT lose his shit.

Saw him on one of the late night shows & he himself said he's not qualified & needs experience, which of course drew a round of applause.

I saw a pundit recently comment that anyone considering running if they can't fill a stadium with out Oprah, Beyonce, Magic Johnson, Bruce Springsteen etc showing up then they shouldn't run. Sadly, I agree with that. There's a short list of potential candidates that can draw a crowd to pack an arena for the dems: Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders and possibly Joe Biden. There's the others Oprah (I doubt she will run), the Rock (would run as an R) and Michael Aventi...they could pack arenas. I can't see Warren, Harris or Yates packing an arena. I fully agree with you and dendrobates on wanting a qualified person but I can also see why pundits like Silver and Podhoretz have projected some of the celebs having a shot to win.

Heat Miser wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Dwayne Johnson 2020.

I want to see OTPT lose his shit.

Saw him on one of the late night shows & he himself said he's not qualified & needs experience, which of course drew a round of applause.

if you can sufficiently scare paranoid, hate-filled racists.. you're qualified.

Why are you guys convinced Bernie can't win in 2020 when he would have beaten Trump the first time around in 2016?

AnomanderRake wrote:Why are you guys convinced Bernie can't win in 2020 when he would have beaten Trump the first time around in 2016?

Russian bots and the mainstream media demonized Hillary's email account.

Imagine what they would've done to a socialist Jew. I suspect socialists and Jews rank just below black folks and women to the deplorables.

Looks like three other women are coming forth and one was pregnant. Pop some pop corn.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:Why are you guys convinced Bernie can't win in 2020 when he would have beaten Trump the first time around in 2016?

Russian bots and the mainstream media demonized Hillary's email account.

Imagine what they would've done to a socialist Jew. I suspect socialists and Jews rank just below black folks and women to the deplorables.

Well here's the thing Bob, no candidate including Bernie can convert the morons that believe Russian propaganda. Fortunately, a democratic candidate doesn't need to convert any republicans to win the election. A democratic candidate simply needs to be inspiring enough to get democrats to the fucking voting booths.

Since we all already know from the last election that Bernie is as squeaky clean as politicians come, I really don't see how Russians would be able to inflict any damage at all to Bernie's base which is an extremely passionate group on the left, and the rest of the democratic base will fall in line.

Sure Russia spread propaganda far and wide to damage Hillary, and likely manipulated voting systems of those they hacked into. But I would argue the main reason she ended up losing is because she pissed off a bunch of progressives by running a dirty campaign against Bernie, and just wasn't an inspiring candidate, causing a lot of potential democrat voters to stay home. The election should have been a landslide victory for her if she didn't run such a shit campaign, which would have made it impossible to hack and throw the election for Trump without it being incredibly obvious.

Cameron wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:

Well here's the thing Bob, no candidate including Bernie can convert the morons that believe Russian propaganda. Fortunately, a democratic candidate doesn't need to convert any republicans to win the election. A democratic candidate simply needs to be inspiring enough to get democrats to the fucking voting booths.

Since we all already know from the last election that Bernie is as squeaky clean as politicians come, I really don't see how Russians would be able to inflict any damage at all to Bernie's base which is an extremely passionate group on the left, and the rest of the democratic base will fall in line.

Sure Russia spread propaganda far and wide to damage Hillary, and likely manipulated voting systems of those they hacked into. But I would argue the main reason she ended up losing is because she pissed off a bunch of progressives by running a dirty campaign against Bernie, and just wasn't an inspiring candidate, causing a lot of potential democrat voters to stay home. The election should have been a landslide victory for her if she didn't run such a shit campaign, which would have made it impossible to hack and throw the election for Trump without it being incredibly obvious.

Trying to get Bob to admit a flaw of Hillary's is like trying to beat a wall at tennis.

her email account was deeply troubling.

America is so stupid.. but it provides us with quality entertainment

AnomanderRake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Russian bots and the mainstream media demonized Hillary's email account.

Imagine what they would've done to a socialist Jew. I suspect socialists and Jews rank just below black folks and women to the deplorables.

Well here's the thing Bob, no candidate including Bernie can convert the morons that believe Russian propaganda. Fortunately, a democratic candidate doesn't need to convert any republicans to win the election. A democratic candidate simply needs to be inspiring enough to get democrats to the fucking voting booths.

Since we all already know from the last election that Bernie is as squeaky clean as politicians come, I really don't see how Russians would be able to inflict any damage at all to Bernie's base which is an extremely passionate group on the left, and the rest of the democratic base will fall in line.

Sure Russia spread propaganda far and wide to damage Hillary, and likely manipulated voting systems of those they hacked into. But I would argue the main reason she ended up losing is because she pissed off a bunch of progressives by running a dirty campaign against Bernie, and just wasn't an inspiring candidate, causing a lot of potential democrat voters to stay home. The election should have been a landslide victory for her if she didn't run such a shit campaign, which would have made it impossible to hack and throw the election for Trump without it being incredibly obvious.

meh - I'm okay with disagreeing.

You're still a great American.

I think we can agree that Democrats lose presidential elections when voters don't turn out. Our theories as to why voters stay home are just a little different, and that's alright.

AnomanderRake wrote:I think we can agree that Democrats lose presidential elections when voters don't turn out. Our theories as to why voters stay home are just a little different, and that's alright.

Hopefully, one good thing that might come out of the Orange Moran experience is that people need to vote, even when candidates don't blow their skirt up. Republicans have been good at getting their "base" out to vote (guns, Jesus, abortion, & brown people). Dems not so much.

The "none of the above/they all suck so I'll sit this one out" excuse is not gonna cut it because one team is gonna turn out to vote for their guys/gals no matter how despicable they are.

Heat Miser wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:I think we can agree that Democrats lose presidential elections when voters don't turn out. Our theories as to why voters stay home are just a little different, and that's alright.

Hopefully, one good thing that might come out of the Orange Moran experience is that people need to vote, even when candidates don't blow their skirt up. Republicans have been good at getting their "base" out to vote (guns, Jesus, abortion, & brown people). Dems not so much.

The "none of the above/they all suck so I'll sit this one out" excuse is not gonna cut it because one team is gonna turn out to vote for their guys/gals no matter how despicable they are.

Yeah, 2016 was a tough lesson for me. I sat out a lot of local elections and midterms. I turned that around. I've voted for the town librarian, all the school board votes and so on since then. The turnout for these elections is pretty low, getting 10 - 20 of your friends out to vote in these elections can make a difference. Also, for the dem primary this year voting was up 70% in my district. The republican that represents us is toast.

steveschneider wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:I think we can agree that Democrats lose presidential elections when voters don't turn out. Our theories as to why voters stay home are just a little different, and that's alright.

Hopefully, one good thing that might come out of the Orange Moran experience is that people need to vote, even when candidates don't blow their skirt up. Republicans have been good at getting their "base" out to vote (guns, Jesus, abortion, & brown people). Dems not so much.

The "none of the above/they all suck so I'll sit this one out" excuse is not gonna cut it because one team is gonna turn out to vote for their guys/gals no matter how despicable they are.

Yeah, 2016 was a tough lesson for me. I sat out a lot of local elections and midterms. I turned that around. I've voted for the town librarian, all the school board votes and so on since then. The turnout for these elections is pretty low, getting 10 - 20 of your friends out to vote in these elections can make a difference. Also, for the dem primary this year voting was up 70% in my district. The republican that represents us is toast.

I was in the same boat. I will never miss an opportunity to vote for anything again. Especially when it's so easy to vote by mail. Funny thing is, I used to lean Republican before the Tea Party insanity started.

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yeah, 2016 was a tough lesson for me. I sat out a lot of local elections and midterms. I turned that around. I've voted for the town librarian, all the school board votes and so on since then. The turnout for these elections is pretty low, getting 10 - 20 of your friends out to vote in these elections can make a difference. Also, for the dem primary this year voting was up 70% in my district. The republican that represents us is toast.

I was in the same boat. I will never miss an opportunity to vote for anything again. Especially when it's so easy to vote by mail. Funny thing is, I used to lean Republican before the Tea Party insanity started.

This is a giant load of crap.

TheReal_LWS wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yeah, 2016 was a tough lesson for me. I sat out a lot of local elections and midterms. I turned that around. I've voted for the town librarian, all the school board votes and so on since then. The turnout for these elections is pretty low, getting 10 - 20 of your friends out to vote in these elections can make a difference. Also, for the dem primary this year voting was up 70% in my district. The republican that represents us is toast.

I was in the same boat. I will never miss an opportunity to vote for anything again. Especially when it's so easy to vote by mail. Funny thing is, I used to lean Republican before the Tea Party insanity started.

This is a giant load of crap.

Which part?

TheReal_LWS wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

I was in the same boat. I will never miss an opportunity to vote for anything again. Especially when it's so easy to vote by mail. Funny thing is, I used to lean Republican before the Tea Party insanity started.

This is a giant load of crap.

When are you guys starting up your redneck civil war Bee?

I saw that Stormy's ex husband is divorcing her on grounds of adultery. Fucking hysterical.

AnomanderRake wrote:I think we can agree that Democrats lose presidential elections when voters don't turn out. Our theories as to why voters stay home are just a little different, and that's alright.

oh yeah - Democrat values are much more in line with American values. The mean grandmother with the email account won by nearly 3 million votes.

If progressive values weren't more in line with American values, why do Republicans attempt to suppress the vote with voter ID laws, closing polling precincts, gerrymandering, etc?

Oh well - at least the knuckle-draggers are easy to laugh at.

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yeah, 2016 was a tough lesson for me. I sat out a lot of local elections and midterms. I turned that around. I've voted for the town librarian, all the school board votes and so on since then. The turnout for these elections is pretty low, getting 10 - 20 of your friends out to vote in these elections can make a difference. Also, for the dem primary this year voting was up 70% in my district. The republican that represents us is toast.

I was in the same boat. I will never miss an opportunity to vote for anything again. Especially when it's so easy to vote by mail. Funny thing is, I used to lean Republican before the Tea Party insanity started.

I remember the tea party patriots insisting they weren't racist and that it wasn't just a modern day KKK.

They were just {ahem} "worried about government spending".

Funny how they're suddenly not worried about government spending now that they went and elected themselves a racist white supremacist.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

I was in the same boat. I will never miss an opportunity to vote for anything again. Especially when it's so easy to vote by mail. Funny thing is, I used to lean Republican before the Tea Party insanity started.

I remember the tea party patriots insisting they weren't racist and that it wasn't just a modern day KKK.

They were just {ahem} "worried about government spending".

Funny how they're suddenly not worried about government spending now that they went and elected themselves a racist white supremacist.

tSwill Hall of Fame eligible post right there......

Heat Miser wrote:

TheReal_LWS wrote:

This is a giant load of crap.

Which part?

The leaning Republican until the tea party part.

Nothing to see here. The wise Sean Hannity told me the Stormy Daniels affair isn't a big deal because it was a "consensual" relationship and not sexual assault.

TheReal_LWS wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

Which part?

The leaning Republican until the tea party part.

Example #12,483 of Bee being the dumbest poster on this board. In his feeble brain, no one is capable of changing their political viewpoints.

Tim Wakefield wrote:Nothing to see here. The wise Sean Hannity told me the Stormy Daniels affair isn't a big deal because it was a "consensual" relationship and not sexual assault.

Sean would have a much different take if Obama had raw dogged a porn star. No one should take him seriously he’s a clown.

steveschneider wrote:

Tim Wakefield wrote:Nothing to see here. The wise Sean Hannity told me the Stormy Daniels affair isn't a big deal because it was a "consensual" relationship and not sexual assault.

Sean would have a much different take if Obama had raw dogged a porn star. No one should take him seriously he’s a clown.

I am sure you are completely above such a double standard.

TheReal_LWS wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Sean would have a much different take if Obama had raw dogged a porn star. No one should take him seriously he’s a clown.

I am sure you are completely above such a double standard.

Hyuck!!! I just about shot milk through my nose after that one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.

steveschneider wrote:

TheReal_LWS wrote:

I am sure you are completely above such a double standard.

Hyuck!!! I just about shot milk through my nose after that one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Almond milk?

steveschneider wrote:

TheReal_LWS wrote:

I am sure you are completely above such a double standard.

Hyuck!!! I just about shot milk through my nose after that one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Through your left nostril only, I am sure.

TheReal_LWS wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Hyuck!!! I just about shot milk through my nose after that one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.

Through your left nostril only, I am sure.

That one was way funnier than your first attempt.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

TheReal_LWS wrote:

The leaning Republican until the tea party part.

Example #12,483 of Bee being the dumbest poster on this board. In his feeble brain, no one is capable of changing their political viewpoints.

It's always been a "team sport" to bee. Independent thought is beyond him.

Example... I'm a gun owner and hunter but extremely anti-NRA and everything they stand for... What do you think of that bee?

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

TheReal_LWS wrote:

The leaning Republican until the tea party part.

Example #12,483 of Bee being the dumbest poster on this board. In his feeble brain, no one is capable of changing their political viewpoints.

It's always been a "team sport" to bee. Independent thought is beyond him.

Example... I'm a gun owner and hunter but extremely anti-NRA and everything they stand for... What do you think of that bee?

Either drink the Kool-Aid & memorize the talking points or turn in your guns, Nancy!

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Example #12,483 of Bee being the dumbest poster on this board. In his feeble brain, no one is capable of changing their political viewpoints.

It's always been a "team sport" to bee. Independent thought is beyond him.

Example... I'm a gun owner and hunter but extremely anti-NRA and everything they stand for... What do you think of that bee?

I DON'T GIVE A TURD