I want great climate

DWags wrote:The man orders steak well done and puts ketchup on it. What, exactly, are you expecting?

steveschneider wrote:Proudly displaying his ignorance. [tw]1065400254151954432[/tw]

Why greens are turning away from a carbon tax
Putting an economic price on greenhouse gases is proving a hard sell with the public, even as time to head off climate change shrinks.

JON GABRIEL: The U.S. may not ‘believe’ in climate change. But we’re the only one doing something about it.

Nineteen nations “believe” in climate change. How are they backing up their statement of faith?

China was praised for signing on to the Paris Climate Agreement and in Argentina reaffirmed its commitment to controlling greenhouse gas emissions. Last year, however, China increased those emissions by 1.7 percent.

India, the fourth largest source for CO2, saw their emissions grow by 4.6 percent in 2017. Luckily for them, they too were praised for signing that “nonbinding communiqué.”

Overall, the European Union raised their CO2 output by 1.5 percent.

France, home of the Paris Agreement, is leading the diplomatic effort to save the planet. They increased their greenhouse gas emissions by 3.6 percent. . . .

If the nations paying lip service to climate change aren’t meeting their goals, imagine how poorly the oil-drilling, coal-mining Americans must be doing. President Donald Trump was pilloried for withdrawing from the Paris Agreement and for being only G20 leader who refused to sign the climate change statement in Argentina.

From 2016 to 2017, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 2.7 percent. Emissions from large power plants declined 4.5 percent since 2016, and nearly 20 percent since 2011. All without signing a piece of paper in Paris or Buenos Aires.

It’s almost as if they’re more interested in submission to a transnational bureaucracy than in results. And note that the U.S. reduction comes from the switch to cleaner fuels made possible by fracking, which environmentalists opposed.

y2kMgrad wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Proudly displaying his ignorance. [tw]1065400254151954432[/tw]

Doesn't matter. His MAGA followers had to wear a coat yesterday so global warming must be false.

October/November afternoon temperatures in the US have been declining since the 19th century. There was a very sharp drop off in the late 1960’s, and temperatures never recovered. This October/November was fifth coldest on record.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:  Buffoon. This is your President Goose!

November has been an excellent month for Arctic sea ice. With 4226 km3, it recorded the highest volume increase for November in the 2007-2018 period, well above the average of 3491 km3. The reasons for this are obvious: rapid growth in ice extent and relatively low temperatures (more on that below). This means that 2018 has dropped from 4th lowest to 6th lowest, and the gap with leader 2016 has grown by a whopping 1322 km3!

Here's how the differences with previous years have evolved from last month:

Change monthly difference November 2018

Because all the trend lines go up fast around this time of year, I'm posting another Wipneus graph that visualises PIOMAS volume anomaly, showing 2018's massive increase more clearly:

The facts are clear: California’s deadliest year of wildfires has been decades in the making, with overlapping environmental rules, both state and federal, making fuel load reductions in forests and coastal chaparral nearly impossible, while hostility towards commercial timber harvesting has allowed a massive build up in tree density and brush with a concurrent reduction of access roads and firebreaks.

Yet in spite of blaming climate change and attacking President Trump for suggesting bad environmental policies made California’s fires worse, California’s outgoing governor, Jerry Brown, quietly signed two bills to correct the worst of the state’s fire management policy missteps, proving Trump was right all along.

As for forest management, it’s not as if the experts didn’t see the problem looming on the horizon. In a 2006 report, the Western Governors’ Association warned that, “…over time the fire-prone forests that were not thinned, burn in uncharacteristically destructive wildfires… …In the long term, leaving forests overgrown (makes them) prone to unnaturally destructive wildfires…”

During last summer’s wildfire outbreak, Assistant Chief Mike Marcucci of CAL FIRE, the state’s firefighting agency, said, “It’s a daunting task that we’re working with some of our cooperators (i.e. federal and local authorities) to make sure we can get some of those trees out of the way to not add to some of the fuel,” noting that years of not conducting prescribed burns led to unnatural tinderbox conditions.

The fire chief might have added that the opposite is true as well—fire suppression combined with a virtual cessation of the timber harvest led to overcrowded forests more vulnerable to drought, disease and insects.

LooseGoose wrote:Oh and about the Arctic sea ice...you remember the open oceans at the north pole myth that you all believe?  How's that doing?

November has been an excellent month for Arctic sea ice. With 4226 km3, it recorded the highest volume increase for November in the 2007-2018 period, well above the average of 3491 km3. The reasons for this are obvious: rapid growth in ice extent and relatively low temperatures (more on that below). This means that 2018 has dropped from 4th lowest to 6th lowest, and the gap with leader 2016 has grown by a whopping 1322 km3!

Here's how the differences with previous years have evolved from last month:

Change monthly difference November 2018

Because all the trend lines go up fast around this time of year, I'm posting another Wipneus graph that visualises PIOMAS volume anomaly, showing 2018's massive increase more clearly:

Melting trends in the Arctic today are increasingly stark. The 2018 Arctic Report Card, produced by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), depicts a thawing world that is continuing to warm and melt at an unprecedented pace.

"I think that the report demonstrated everything we’ve been seeing for the last decade," Jeremy Mathis, a NOAA Arctic scientist who was not involved with this report, said in an interview.

"The changes in the Arctic are happening faster than they’re happening anywhere else on the rest of the planet."

The Arctic has been warmer for the past five years than at any other point since 1900 when records began, according to a US government agency report.

Dramatic changes are being felt across the polar region as global warming triggers knock-on effects from earlier plankton blooms to more extreme weather.

The Arctic experienced its second warmest air temperatures and second lowest sea-ice coverage in 2018.

LooseGoose wrote:

y2kMgrad wrote:

Doesn't matter. His MAGA followers had to wear a coat yesterday so global warming must be false.

Do you think temperatures have been rising or falling?   What does the science tell you?

October/November afternoon temperatures in the US have been declining since the 19th century. There was a very sharp drop off in the late 1960’s, and temperatures never recovered. This October/November was fifth coldest on record.

y2kMgrad wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Do you think temperatures have been rising or falling?   What does the science tell you?

I'm not sure how that graph is relevant at all. Nobody gives a shit about the average afternoon temperature in the US. The global warming crises is occurring because the average global surface temperature is increasing at a dangerous rate, melting glaciers and causing climate instability worldwide. But don't take my word for it, let these facts from NASA explain it to you:

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If your argument is that people are not causing this climate change, or that there's nothing we can do about it, I would disagree with you but I think there's at least a debate that can be had there. But if your opinion is that the Earth is not warming at all because the average U.S. afternoon temperature hasn't changed, then you have your head stuffed in the sand so far that I can't help you.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:1895 is irrelevant. I form my opinions based off of the blurbs I read on thefederalist.com, Drudge Report and the Daily Wire.

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