If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed?

by **DWags** 2021-03-16, 11:50

Has this been asked?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2021-03-16, 11:55

I don't know if it's been asked here, but I have heard/read somewhere else that, yes, a 'replacement' school would replace not only the effected team but they would slide in as that seed.

on one hand, it sounds ridiculous. On the other hand, if you didn't do it like that, someone would practically have to re-seed the entire field.

by **NigelUno** 2021-03-16, 16:24

Louisville only gets in if a team is out before 6:00 tonight.

Which is doubtful.

by **Nordic** 2021-03-16, 17:40

Depends. Would Louisville draw better ratings than said one seed?

by **tGreenWay** 2021-03-16, 17:59

Nordic wrote:Depends. Would Louisville draw better ratings than said one seed?

Would depend whether Louisville replaced its current coach with Rick Pitino or Denny Crum. Obv, Pitino would be the bigger ratings draw.

by **DWags** 2021-03-16, 18:04

tGreenWay wrote:
Nordic wrote:Depends. Would Louisville draw better ratings than said one seed?

Would depend whether Louisville replaced its current coach with Rick Pitino or Denny Crum. Obv, Pitino would be the bigger ratings draw.

I don’t know, with Denny CBS wouldn’t get just crumbs.

by **Turtleneck** 2021-03-16, 18:08

tGreenWay wrote:
Nordic wrote:Depends. Would Louisville draw better ratings than said one seed?

Would depend whether Louisville replaced its current coach with Rick Pitino or Denny Crum. Obv, Pitino would be the bigger ratings draw.

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-16, 18:13

I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-03-16, 18:20

steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Is that > = < than constantly complaining about officiating within the first five minutes of every game ?

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-16, 18:25

kingstonlake wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Is that > = < than constantly complaining about officiating within the first five minutes of every game ?

That’s a good question. I think bracketology is the softest of all sciences and I think people should know better so I’d say it is worse. Reffing I believe can be improved and fans should demand better.

by **Nordic** 2021-03-16, 18:49

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Would depend whether Louisville replaced its current coach with Rick Pitino or Denny Crum. Obv, Pitino would be the bigger ratings draw.

well played

by **Nordic** 2021-03-16, 18:49

steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Stay off Twitter Steve

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-16, 18:52

Nordic wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Stay off Twitter Steve

I don’t know man my act has worn out here. Think I’m going to get driven off the board. Twitter may be it.

by aualum06 2021-03-16, 19:09

Syracuse has a quad 3 loss

by **tGreenWay** 2021-03-16, 19:33

DWags wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Would depend whether Louisville replaced its current coach with Rick Pitino or Denny Crum. Obv, Pitino would be the bigger ratings draw.

I don’t know, with Denny CBS wouldn’t get just crumbs.

by **Turtleneck** 2021-03-16, 20:06

steveschneider wrote:
Nordic wrote:

Stay off Twitter Steve

I don’t know man my act has worn out here. Think I’m going to get driven off the board. Twitter may be it.

You will have to walk or bike because nobody here is giving you a ride off the board, Steve.

by **Nordic** 2021-03-16, 20:09

steveschneider wrote:
Nordic wrote:

Stay off Twitter Steve

I don’t know man my act has worn out here. Think I’m going to get driven off the board. Twitter may be it.

Toughen up buttercup. It's tournament season.

by **tGreenWay** 2021-03-16, 20:36

steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

by **Nordic** 2021-03-16, 21:25

tGreenWay wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed? FVzsfsU

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2021-03-16, 21:40

Turtleneck wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I don’t know man my act has worn out here. Think I’m going to get driven off the board. Twitter may be it.

You will have to walk or bike because nobody here is giving you a ride off the board, Steve.

If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed? 1966794946

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-16, 22:06

tGreenWay wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

Easily.

by **Turtleneck** 2021-03-16, 22:16

tGreenWay wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I will note one thing about ratings...I cringe when I see prominent Spartans whining on twitter about Syracuse having a better seeding.

"Syracuse doesn't have as many quad one wins" pffft.

They don't but they draw better ratings in a major market.

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

Maybe because of the NYC market? It’s hours away, but they have a large following across the state. I don’t know. Or maybe it’s all the bears that break into cabins in WNY and the ADKs to watch Syracuse.

by **tGreenWay** 2021-03-16, 22:24

steveschneider wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

Easily.

I was skeptical with your first statement. I flat out don’t believe you with this one. Source it, sucker.

Fucking Steve.

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-16, 22:30

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

Maybe because of the NYC market? It’s hours away, but they have a large following across the state. I don’t know. Or maybe it’s all the bears that break into cabins in WNY and the ADKs to watch Syracuse.

Ding ding ding. Winner.

by **tGreenWay** 2021-03-16, 22:35

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

Maybe because of the NYC market? It’s hours away, but they have a large following across the state. I don’t know. Or maybe it’s all the bears that break into cabins in WNY and the ADKs to watch Syracuse.

Maybe because of all the bear B&Es, otherwise, it seems Steve’s geographic bias is showing. MSU is a much larger public school with many more graduates globally. In addition to viewership in in large cities in this state, it’s well represented in Chicago. Plus, while this is just a hunch, the Midwest is overall more interested in college athletics, especially conference schools. Syracuse may be the favorite draw in NY, but I’ll bet NYC viewers prefers their pro teams much more than college games. Let’s not forget how MSU holds or held tv ratings records for years.

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-16, 22:41

tGreenWay wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Maybe because of the NYC market? It’s hours away, but they have a large following across the state. I don’t know. Or maybe it’s all the bears that break into cabins in WNY and the ADKs to watch Syracuse.

Maybe because of all the bear B&Es, otherwise, it seems Steve’s geographic bias is showing. MSU is a much larger public school with many more graduates globally. In addition to viewership in in large cities in this state, it’s well represented in Chicago. Plus, while this is just a hunch, the Midwest is overall more interested in college athletics, especially conference schools. Syracuse may be the favorite draw in NY, but I’ll bet NYC viewers prefers their pot teams much more than college games. Let’s not forget how MSU holds or held tv ratings records for years.

When Rutgers football was rolling in the 00's they crushed the ratings on ESPN. Absolutely dominated. You will probably laugh but they were the biggest draw for CFB on ESPN.

I couldn't believe it but the data doesn't lie. I remember that game vs Cincinnati with a coach I forget his name...at any rate that game was on Thursday night and it blew it out with the ratings and the Empire State building was done up in the school colors. MSU can not compete with a popular regional team in this market on a national level. Rutgers used to outperform all the big hitters on ESPN back then and I'm talking blue bloods. I'll back it up tomorrow.

by **Turtleneck** 2021-03-16, 22:44

steveschneider wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Maybe because of all the bear B&Es, otherwise, it seems Steve’s geographic bias is showing. MSU is a much larger public school with many more graduates globally. In addition to viewership in in large cities in this state, it’s well represented in Chicago. Plus, while this is just a hunch, the Midwest is overall more interested in college athletics, especially conference schools. Syracuse may be the favorite draw in NY, but I’ll bet NYC viewers prefers their pot teams much more than college games. Let’s not forget how MSU holds or held tv ratings records for years.

When Rutgers football was rolling in the 00's they crushed the ratings on ESPN. Absolutely dominated. You will probably laugh but they were the biggest draw for CFB on ESPN.

I couldn't believe it but the data doesn't lie. I remember that game vs Cincinnati with a coach I forget his name...at any rate that game was on Thursday night and it blew it out with the ratings and the Empire State building was done up in the school colors. MSU can not compete with a popular regional team in this market on a national level. Rutgers used to outperform all the big hitters on ESPN back then and I'm talking blue bloods. I’ll back it up tomorrow.

This is Steve for I’m never going to do what I said I was going to do.

by **tGreenWay** 2021-03-16, 23:17

steveschneider wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Maybe because of all the bear B&Es, otherwise, it seems Steve’s geographic bias is showing. MSU is a much larger public school with many more graduates globally. In addition to viewership in in large cities in this state, it’s well represented in Chicago. Plus, while this is just a hunch, the Midwest is overall more interested in college athletics, especially conference schools. Syracuse may be the favorite draw in NY, but I’ll bet NYC viewers prefers their pot teams much more than college games. Let’s not forget how MSU holds or held tv ratings records for years.

When Rutgers football was rolling in the 00's they crushed the ratings on ESPN. Absolutely dominated. You will probably laugh but they were the biggest draw for CFB on ESPN.

I couldn't believe it but the data doesn't lie. I remember that game vs Cincinnati with a coach I forget his name...at any rate that game was on Thursday night and it blew it out with the ratings and the Empire State building was done up in the school colors. MSU can not compete with a popular regional team in this market on a national level. Rutgers used to outperform all the big hitters on ESPN back then and I'm talking blue bloods. I'll back it up tomorrow.

I await your data.

by **Nordic** 2021-03-17, 01:52

*delelte, see below*

by **Nordic** 2021-03-17, 02:17

I'm not sure how comparing Rutgers football at it's peak chopping wood to a middling Syracuse hoops team correlates, but here is Steve's smoking gun that Syracuse eyeballs > MSU eyeballs this week:

Remembering the Night Rutgers and Louisville Were at the Center of College Football, 12 Years Later (2006 undefeated Rutgers vs. Undefeated Louisville. he matchup also featured the third-largest TV audience in ESPN’s college football broadcast history—4.9 million households)

by **kingstonlake** 2021-03-17, 06:27

steveschneider wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Syracuse is a better ratings draw than MSU?

Easily.

So they opted for the lower ratings MSU for the made for TV ratings grab Thursday night game?

I'd bet being in Indy since last Wednesday played a bigger role in the matchup.

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-17, 08:22

Nordic wrote:I'm not sure how comparing Rutgers football at it's peak chopping wood to a middling Syracuse hoops team correlates, but here is Steve's smoking gun that Syracuse eyeballs > MSU eyeballs this week:

Remembering the Night Rutgers and Louisville Were at the Center of College Football, 12 Years Later (2006 undefeated Rutgers vs. Undefeated Louisville. he matchup also featured the third-largest TV audience in ESPN’s college football broadcast history—4.9 million households)

Good read and shows how bad my memory was. I thought they played Coach D's team and lost on that Thursday ugh. It was the next game where Coach D knocked them down a peg.

I found this one that punches a hole in the whole Rutgers being a tv ratings powerhouse which was a thing back then:

https://www.espn.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2380/does-rutgers-really-bring-in-nyc-market

"Frank, who likely has negotiated more sports television deals than anyone, says he doesn’t buy the data that speaks of Rutgers popularity in New York City.

“Call a bookie in New York City and ask them how many bets they took on Rutgers,” Frank said. “That will give you an idea of how popular they are.”" If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed? 502811600

If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed? 502811600

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Regarding Syracuse -

My hunch is based on their popularity in the region, the size of the tv market and the popularity of basketball in the region.

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-17, 08:23

kingstonlake wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Easily.

So they opted for the lower ratings MSU for the made for TV ratings grab Thursday night game?

I'd bet being in Indy since last Wednesday played a bigger role in the matchup.

How big is UCLA's market?

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-17, 08:53

Also, I made it clear I didn't even look at bracketology or Lunardi or any of the quad one wins stuff. I'm also not a tv ratings expert, I'm just doing a very surface level common sense approach to this stuff.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2021-03-17, 09:12

This would be the year to try a soccer style of playoff with every team in the same state, but alas. I think it would be crazy fun to try.

For the uninitiated- there are no seeds or whatever in most soccer playoffs. After every round there’s a random drawing for who plays who next. Usually the first round is somewhat controlled (think conference winners can’t be drawn against each other or something) but then after that it’s all open and you could have Baylor vs Gonzaga in the second round. Would it be better than guessing at seeds and forcing match ups for RaTiNgS? I dunno, but I think it would be kinda fun

by **kingstonlake** 2021-03-17, 09:24

steveschneider wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

So they opted for the lower ratings MSU for the made for TV ratings grab Thursday night game?

I'd bet being in Indy since last Wednesday played a bigger role in the matchup.

How big is UCLA's market?

Irrelevant. UCLA will attract the west coast market either way. The comparison is Syracuse/MSU. If Syracuse is "easily" a better ratings draw than MSU, why did the NCAA chose MSU over them?

by **Cameron** 2021-03-17, 10:47

steveschneider wrote:Also, I made it clear I didn't even look at bracketology or Lunardi or any of the quad one wins stuff. I'm also not a tv ratings expert, I'm just ~~doing a very surface level common sense approach to this stuff~~ talking out of my ass.

Fixed.

Fucking steve...

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-17, 10:53

kingstonlake wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

How big is UCLA's market?

Irrelevant. UCLA will attract the west coast market either way. The comparison is Syracuse/MSU. If Syracuse is "easily" a better ratings draw than MSU, why did the NCAA chose MSU over them?

You gotta spread that shit around man. You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket.

by **NigelUno** 2021-03-17, 11:14

MSU is playing at 9:57 on Thursday on TBS.

Syracuse is playing at 9:40 on Friday on CBS.

If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed? 3003718628

If a one seed tests positive does Louisville get in as a one seed? 3003718628

by **kingstonlake** 2021-03-17, 11:27

Man I can't figure out why the NCAA wouldn't want to give the Thursday night game and easy ratings boost by having Syracuse play.

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