So Murders in the US Increased nearly 30% in 2020, Trump's last year...

Murders rose nearly 30 percent in the U.S. last year, the sharpest increase on record — and have continued rising this year.

Why?

Realistically, I'm sure that the pandemic had an effect. Less social interaction, job losses, and overall stress can lead people to be teetering on the edge (you see it all the time on the news with what seems like more fights, public screaming matches, etc.). This isn't to say we shouldn't have had lockdowns because this is what happened. It takes a special kind of stupid to think like that when over 600K and counting have died from Covid despite the lockdowns.

But since this is tBin, I think the only acceptable answer for the board is because Trump. But personally, I think that as high as political tensions were last fall and early winter, I don't think that's sending all that many people off the deep end. Only the really hard core nutcases, but I don't know if enough murders have been attributed to them in order to really drive the increased numbers. But maybe someone has hard evidence to the contrary about the number of Trump supporters charged with murder and/or politically motivated murders.

I’m willing to trade mass school, night club, theater, office building, church, and mall shooting shootings for it. I’m sure we’ll get back to it soon though

There is a correlation of availability of guns and violent crimes commited with guns.

There is also a correlation of demographics of "super gun owners (those who own 17 or more guns) and the demographics of Trump voters in the 2016 and 2020 elections. There is also a significant majority of the same voters who believe the election was stolen from Trump.

There is no "acceptable answer" but ancedotally , I know of more than a dozen people (business acquaintances none related to each other)some of whom purchased guns when we started having COVID shutdowns/shortages in March 2020 but the vast majority started buyng AK type rifles and handguns after polling started indicating Trump was the probable loser in November 2020 because they believed there would be widespread violence. They weren't including police killings in their concerns.

The reason we haven't seen shooting in airports or on planes is because except for law enforcement you can't carry in an airport even with a CCP and only Federal Marshals can carry on planes. I firmly believe we would have seen shooting on planes by the anti-mask wack jobs who've been assaulting crew and other passengers if they had guns.

I have seen reports of more gun shy liberals buying guns during the pandemic, hove no idea how that changes things other than more guns, which I would think is a partial driver of more murders.

Yeah, we can't really begin to guess as to the "why" without knowing the "who". Correlation does not equal causation.

kingstonlake wrote:I’m willing to trade mass school, night club, theater, office building, church, and mall shooting shootings for it. I’m sure we’ll get back to it soon though

Well that was quick. Not a mall but a grocery store….

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wreg.com/news/local/active-shooter-on-byhalia-and-poplar/amp/

Multiple people were injured Thursday in a shooting inside the Kroger on Byhalia and Poplar Avenue in Collierville, a Memphis suburb, after an active shooter incident.

Collierville Police Chief Dale Lane confirmed 13 people were shot, and one person killed. The suspected shooter also is dead, possibly from a self-inflicted gunshot, Lane said.

I saw that Kayleigh is still shilling spinning lying for Donald, blaming the 2020 increase on Biden.

Floyd Robertson wrote:I saw that Kayleigh is still shilling spinning lying for Donald, blaming the 2020 increase on Biden.

I'd imagine she would be several miles down the road before Jen Psaki made it five steps into the same room as her.

If Kayleigh and Psaki wanted to mud wrestle, I'd watch.

Floyd Robertson wrote:I saw that Kayleigh is still shilling spinning lying for Donald, blaming the 2020 increase on Biden.

Well, it is Biden's fault, along with the burning, looting, and civil unrest. Don't you remember the campaign commercials telling us to fear Joe Biden's America by showing us Trump's America?

An acquaintance started a web version of a local weekly newspaper that lasted about 110 years before it was purchased by The Advance newspapers and closed 6 years later. The previous 3 owners (110 years and 3 owners when you could make money owning a weekly)  had saved every edition to microfiche and a local library made digital copies when Advance took over.  He along with some donors digitized the entire collection.

Twice a month he does a retrospective featuring events from 25, 50, 75 and 100 years ago.  Its telling that going back to the late 40's the same themes are brought up in letters to the editor. People urging a NO vote on school milage because they don't want more government money and Communism in "bigger" schools.  Complaining that limiting hunting areas away from schools in rural areas is Gun Control and complaining about taxes of any kind.  

Oddly enough he told me after hours of reading through editions in the 1950's and 1960's there were no letters opposing Polio vaccines yet minimizing COVID and anti-COVID vaccination opinions have dominated comments since March 2020.  

A lot of the anti-vax comments include needing guns to protect yourself from the government.  These letters are written by very angry people who often cite "conservative" websites, radio and streaming channels.

My opinion is the uptick of the people getting guns through purchases of some kind or theft then commiting crimes are overwhelmed by feelings of anger and hopelessness.  Some of that is raised by 24/7 consumption of the news they choose.  

Its all; We Need to Take Our Country Back; They are taking away My Freedom; Asians are to blame for The Chinese Virus;  They Stole the Election;  My child is harmed by wearing a mask 5-6 hours a day;  Immigrants are destroying the country and taking jobs from Americans.

Crank up enough hopelessness and the crazies feel emboldened.

I think that to biggest damage, among huge amounts that were done, during the Reagan administration, was the repeal of the "Fairness Doctrine" on broadcast media.

It appears to me this has led to broadcast "news" which is totally propaganda.

GRR Spartan wrote:An acquaintance started a web version of a local weekly newspaper that lasted about 110 years before it was purchased by The Advance newspapers and closed 6 years later. The previous 3 owners (110 years and 3 owners when you could make money owning a weekly)  had saved every edition to microfiche and a local library made digital copies when Advance took over.  He along with some donors digitized the entire collection.

Twice a month he does a retrospective featuring events from 25, 50, 75 and 100 years ago.  Its telling that going back to the late 40's the same themes are brought up in letters to the editor. People urging a NO vote on school milage because they don't want more government money and Communism in "bigger" schools.  Complaining that limiting hunting areas away from schools in rural areas is Gun Control and complaining about taxes of any kind.  

Oddly enough he told me after hours of reading through editions in the 1950's and 1960's there were no letters opposing Polio vaccines yet minimizing COVID and anti-COVID vaccination opinions have dominated comments since March 2020.  

A lot of the anti-vax comments include needing guns to protect yourself from the government.  These letters are written by very angry people who often cite "conservative" websites, radio and streaming channels.

My opinion is the uptick of the people getting guns through purchases of some kind or theft then commiting crimes are overwhelmed by feelings of anger and hopelessness.  Some of that is raised by 24/7 consumption of the news they choose.  

Its all; We Need to Take Our Country Back; They are taking away My Freedom; Asians are to blame for The Chinese Virus;  They Stole the Election;  My child is harmed by wearing a mask 5-6 hours a day;  Immigrants are destroying the country and taking jobs from Americans.

Crank up enough hopelessness and the crazies feel emboldened.

Here's the latest news out of Eaton County: Six Eaton County commissioners say they oppose mask mandate, want health officer to resign.
I suppose they'll take a clue from Deathsantis and appoint someone that will do their bidding if she does resign.

As of the 2010 United States Census, there were 107,759 people living in the county. 87.8% were White, 6.3% Black or African American, 1.7% Asian, 0.4% Native American, 1.2% of some other race and 2.6% of two or more races. 4.7% were Hispanic or Latino (of any race). 24.2% were of English ancestry, 22.9% were of German ancestry and 9.3% were of Irish ancestry.

GRR Spartan wrote:An acquaintance started a web version of a local weekly newspaper that lasted about 110 years before it was purchased by The Advance newspapers and closed 6 years later. The previous 3 owners (110 years and 3 owners when you could make money owning a weekly)  had saved every edition to microfiche and a local library made digital copies when Advance took over.  He along with some donors digitized the entire collection.

Twice a month he does a retrospective featuring events from 25, 50, 75 and 100 years ago.  Its telling that going back to the late 40's the same themes are brought up in letters to the editor. People urging a NO vote on school milage because they don't want more government money and Communism in "bigger" schools.  Complaining that limiting hunting areas away from schools in rural areas is Gun Control and complaining about taxes of any kind.  

Oddly enough he told me after hours of reading through editions in the 1950's and 1960's there were no letters opposing Polio vaccines yet minimizing COVID and anti-COVID vaccination opinions have dominated comments since March 2020.  

A lot of the anti-vax comments include needing guns to protect yourself from the government.  These letters are written by very angry people who often cite "conservative" websites, radio and streaming channels.

My opinion is the uptick of the people getting guns through purchases of some kind or theft then commiting crimes are overwhelmed by feelings of anger and hopelessness.  Some of that is raised by 24/7 consumption of the news they choose.  

Its all; We Need to Take Our Country Back; They are taking away My Freedom; Asians are to blame for The Chinese Virus;  They Stole the Election;  My child is harmed by wearing a mask 5-6 hours a day;  Immigrants are destroying the country and taking jobs from Americans.

Crank up enough hopelessness and the crazies feel emboldened.

There are a lot of reasons for that hopelessness. You have to factor in 40 years of wage stagnation, the rise of big tech and billionaires not paying taxes.

Sadly there seem to be a bunch of RWNJs who are armed but blame the Democratics for all this.

So tNYT has a front page story on this.

Fewer murders than in the rip roaring 1990's but still a big increase.

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/09/28/nytfrontpage/scan.pdf?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210928&instance_id=41490&nl=the-morning&regi_id=91327646&segment_id=70082&te=1&user_id=2ed5bfca7a055cf7cd565ee81885f0fd

taking the unprecedented step of shutting the economy down and paying people to stay home had nothing to do with it.

like grrspartan said above, it was all those trumpidiots living in places experiencing european levels of violent crime with all their guns causing people in the inner cities to explode in street warfare in some fashion we're unable to articulate or pinpoint.

ChaseViolence wrote:taking the unprecedented step of shutting the economy down and paying people to stay home had nothing to do with it.

like grrspartan said above, it was all those trumpidiots living in places experiencing european levels of violent crime with all their guns causing people in the inner cities to explode in street warfare in some fashion we're unable to articulate or pinpoint.

What are you saying?

InTenSity wrote:

ChaseViolence wrote:taking the unprecedented step of shutting the economy down and paying people to stay home had nothing to do with it.

like grrspartan said above, it was all those trumpidiots living in places experiencing european levels of violent crime with all their guns causing people in the inner cities to explode in street warfare in some fashion we're unable to articulate or pinpoint.

What are you saying?

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

ChaseViolence wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
What are you saying?

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

Welcome new poster.

ChaseViolence wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
What are you saying?

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

If you’re some how saying America has way to many guns and it’s way to easy to get one, you are, of course correct. Why you add the Trumpers part in there only must sound funny or be significant in your own mind.

DWags wrote:

ChaseViolence wrote:

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

If you’re some how saying America has way to many guns and it’s way to easy to get one,  you are, of course correct.  Why you add the Trumpers part in there only must sound funny or be significant in your own mind.

DWags wrote:

ChaseViolence wrote:

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

If you’re some how saying America has way to many guns and it’s way to easy to get one,  you are, of course correct.  Why you add the Trumpers part in there only must sound funny or be significant in your own mind.

if thats the case then rural areas must be massive killing zones and experiencing far higher rates of gun violence than urban centers considering they have 2.5x the gun ownership rate.

it must also mean that el salvador, mexico, bolivia, nicaragua, haiti, jamaica, s. africa, cote d'ivour, costa rica, colombia, guatemala or any of the other countries ahead of the u.s. in gun homicide rate must have far higher gun ownership rates despite the heavy regulations or outright bans on firearms than the u.s. has, since many of those countries' homicide rates are multitudes higher.

but like grrspartan said the reason the cities experience central american levels of violent crime is because rural people who experience european levels of crime is cause they collect so many guns. it has nothing to do with progressive failures over the past half century of exclusive supermajority control over those jurisdictions and everything to do with the subconscious transgalaxial psychological control the rednecks have over the inner city residents with their gun collections.

go green

NigelUno wrote:

ChaseViolence wrote:

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

Welcome new poster.

ty it alreddy feels like home

ChaseViolence wrote:

DWags wrote:

If you’re some how saying America has way to many guns and it’s way to easy to get one,  you are, of course correct.  Why you add the Trumpers part in there only must sound funny or be significant in your own mind.

DWags wrote:

If you’re some how saying America has way to many guns and it’s way to easy to get one,  you are, of course correct.  Why you add the Trumpers part in there only must sound funny or be significant in your own mind.

if thats the case then rural areas must be massive killing zones and experiencing far higher rates of gun violence than urban centers considering they have 2.5x the gun ownership rate.

it must also mean that el salvador, mexico, bolivia, nicaragua, haiti, jamaica, s. africa, cote d'ivour, costa rica, colombia, guatemala or any of the other countries ahead of the u.s. in gun homicide rate must have far higher gun ownership rates despite the heavy regulations or outright bans on firearms than the u.s. has, since many of those countries' homicide rates are multitudes higher.

but like grrspartan said the reason the cities experience central american levels of violent crime is because rural people who experience european levels of crime is cause they collect so many guns. it has nothing to do with progressive failures over the past half century of exclusive supermajority control over those jurisdictions and everything to do with the subconscious transgalaxial psychological control the rednecks have over the inner city residents with their gun collections.

go green

As the legitimately elected president of the United States said, those are just shithole countries we don’t have to ever think about.

Just to point out that the highest category of gun violence in the US is self inflected, almost 2/3's of all gun inflected deaths.

Men, white Americans, and those living in rural areas are disproportionately affected. Men represent 86 percent of firearm suicide victims; they are six times more likely than women to die by firearm suicide. Americans living in rural areas experience far higher rates of firearm suicide than those living in urban areas. The average firearm suicide rate increases as counties become more rural, and the rate of firearm suicide in the most rural counties is 2.5 times higher than in the most urban counties.

https://everytownresearch.org/report/firearm-suicide-in-the-united-states/

ChaseViolence wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
What are you saying?

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

The FBI data revealed mid-sized cities, particularly in the Midwest, experienced greater spikes in murders, with Milwaukee and Des Moines reporting their highest homicide count on record.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/murder-rate-2020-guns-covid-19/

Naw, it's all south Chicago and Detroit and flint and every other black city duh.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Naw, it's all south Chicago and Detroit and flint and every other black city duh.

Not Chicago & Detroit and other major cities, mid-sized midwestern cities. Pretty sure Milwaukee and Des Moines aren't considered "black" cities.

Even as the nation's homicide rate jumped in 2020 amid rising gun violence, the murder rate in 11 of the largest communities along the U.S. border stayed below the national average, an Axios analysis found.

Why it matters: The wide disparity between majority-Mexican American and Mexican immigrant border communities and other similar-size cities further north conflicts with images and myths of the U.S.-Mexico border as a region filled with crime and disarray.

New FBI statistics show some cities along the southern U.S. border had a murder rate 10 times lower than northern cities of the same size.

https://www.axios.com/border-cities-murder-rate-low-nationally-guns-cf03ea05-3efe-46aa-879e-22098c0a7239.html

tGreenWay wrote:

ChaseViolence wrote:


if thats the case then rural areas must be massive killing zones and experiencing far higher rates of gun violence than urban centers considering they have 2.5x the gun ownership rate.

it must also mean that el salvador, mexico, bolivia, nicaragua, haiti, jamaica, s. africa, cote d'ivour, costa rica, colombia, guatemala or any of the other countries ahead of the u.s. in gun homicide rate must have far higher gun ownership rates despite the heavy regulations or outright bans on firearms than the u.s. has, since many of those countries' homicide rates are multitudes higher.

but like grrspartan said the reason the cities experience central american levels of violent crime is because rural people who experience european levels of crime is cause they collect so many guns. it has nothing to do with progressive failures over the past half century of exclusive supermajority control over those jurisdictions and everything to do with the subconscious transgalaxial psychological control the rednecks have over the inner city residents with their gun collections.

go green

As the legitimately elected president of the United States said, those are just shithole countries we don’t have to ever think about.

some people call them shithole countries, other people call them the future. im on the side of Progressive(TM) optimism. bring on prohibition and our new banana republic.

TrapperGus wrote:

ChaseViolence wrote:

im agreeing with grrspartan. the trumpers are causing the inner city people to kill each other at higher rates in ways we can't account for or articulate. except we know it has to do with the trumpers having so many guns.

The FBI data revealed mid-sized cities, particularly in the Midwest, experienced greater spikes in murders, with Milwaukee and Des Moines reporting their highest homicide count on record.

whats the electoral trends in des moines and milwaukee? im assuming there heavily trumper, obviously.

TrapperGus wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Naw, it's all south Chicago and Detroit and flint and every other black city duh.

Not Chicago & Detroit and other major cities, mid-sized midwestern cities.  Pretty sure Milwaukee and Des Moines aren't considered "black" cities.

milwaukee is 40% black. des moines is the same as the national average.

do you have the demographic breakdown on those murders? i have to imagine its bucked the trend of the last 60+ years by how confident you are, like i am, that its trumpers controlling it like puppet strings.

TrapperGus wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Naw, it's all south Chicago and Detroit and flint and every other black city duh.

Not Chicago & Detroit and other major cities, mid-sized midwestern cities.  Pretty sure Milwaukee and Des Moines aren't considered "black" cities.

your cbs article states an increase in chicago homicides from 500 in 2019 to 771 in 2020, nyc homicides up from 319 in 2019 to 500 in 2020. why doesnt it give the specific numbers for des moines and milwaukee like they do for the others? what gives?

TrapperGus wrote:Even as the nation's homicide rate jumped in 2020 amid rising gun violence, the murder rate in 11 of the largest communities along the U.S. border stayed below the national average, an Axios analysis found.

Why it matters: The wide disparity between majority-Mexican American and Mexican immigrant border communities and other similar-size cities further north conflicts with images and myths of the U.S.-Mexico border as a region filled with crime and disarray.

New FBI statistics show some cities along the southern U.S. border had a murder rate 10 times lower than northern cities of the same size.

kewl? that means theres no trumpers in Tejas.

Keep in mind that every gun crime committed with an illegally obtained gun is the result of a legal gun humper failing in his or her responsibilities, at some point, as the original gun owner.

kingstonlake wrote:Keep in mind that every gun crime committed with an illegally obtained gun is the result of a legal gun humper failing in his or her responsibilities, at some point, as the original gun owner.

like the failure not to have your home broken into? whos fault is fast n' furious?

by this logic it is all of our fawlts for being robbed by the state to fund civilian casualties in drone strikes by our dear leaders.

we should be ashamed of ourselves for not locking up our W2's better and allowing our resources to be stolen and used for nefarious means.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes,"

Your schtick is boring