Trump indictment as soon as next week?

There's a prayer vigil tomorrow in Mio at the First Baptist Church of the Children of the Evangelical of Nazarene.

To be followed by a violent protest planning session in the basement of the church.

Bring a casserole to pass.

kingstonlake wrote:So essentially Desantis is a pussy.

Well he is a lot like Trump, so yes he is.

That quote truly shows the depths of stupidity amongst his supporters. Do they understand that you can support someone without going to jail for them? You made that choice.

kingstonlake wrote:That quote truly shows the depths of stupidity amongst his supporters. Do they understand that you can support someone without going to jail for them? You made that choice.

America is a stupid country.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It wasn't paying the hush money, it was how it was done.

Right.  It's somehow tied to campaign finances, no?  Do you have more details, or any decent articles detailing?

My favorite source for American news is the BBC.  They usually do a nice, level headed job of detailing things.  What they were saying this morning is:

The Stormy Daniels case is about how Mr Trump reimbursed his lawyer Michael Cohen after Cohen paid Ms Daniels $130,000. The record for the payment reimbursing Cohen says the payment was for "legal fees". Prosecutors may say this amounts to Mr Trump falsifying business records, a misdemeanour in New York.

If that's all it really is.... I dunno.  I mean, "legal fees" seems as good as any description.  I would imagine putting "hush money to prevent porn star from leaking details of disgusting affair" as a description would kind of negate the whole thing.

Grand juries don't indict for misdemeanors, do they?

And states don't have jurisdiction over campaign finances violations.

It's likely fraud or similar based on how the payment to Cohen was registered.

Watching Desantis spew his "opinion" on an potential extradition is sad. Something something Soros, something crime, something democrat funded DA, I'm here for the people of Florida, blah blah.

Hey Ron. Is there a reason you don't want to take on the question of illegal movent of campaign funds? I mean, is it legal to do what trump did.

And btw, how's that hurricane fund in your wife's name going?

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: America is a stupid country.

About 30% of it, anyway

and they're proud of it. They've been given permission to celebrate their stupidity.

and the mainstream media normalizes them because they need the knuckle-scrapers who are too ignorant to develop independent thought. And, of course, this celebration of their stupidity emboldens the violent christian nationalism.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

About 30% of it, anyway

and they're proud of it. They've been given permission to celebrate their stupidity.

and the mainstream media normalizes them because they need the knuckle-scrapers who are too ignorant to develop independent thought. And, of course, this celebration of their stupidity emboldens the violent christian nationalism.

They want people too stupid to complain about banning more and more books until there's nothing left for their children to read and their children end up too stupid to complain and the circle goes on and on and keeps expanding.

kingstonlake wrote:Watching Desantis spew his "opinion" on an potential extradition is sad. Something something Soros, something crime, something democrat funded DA, I'm here for the people of Florida, blah blah.

Hey Ron. Is there a reason you don't want to take on the question of illegal movent of campaign funds? I mean, is it legal to do what trump did.

And btw, how's that hurricane fund in your wife's name going?

so the 'law and order' patriots don't support law and order?

I never noticed.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Right.  It's somehow tied to campaign finances, no?  Do you have more details, or any decent articles detailing?

My favorite source for American news is the BBC.  They usually do a nice, level headed job of detailing things.  What they were saying this morning is:

The Stormy Daniels case is about how Mr Trump reimbursed his lawyer Michael Cohen after Cohen paid Ms Daniels $130,000. The record for the payment reimbursing Cohen says the payment was for "legal fees". Prosecutors may say this amounts to Mr Trump falsifying business records, a misdemeanour in New York.

If that's all it really is.... I dunno.  I mean, "legal fees" seems as good as any description.  I would imagine putting "hush money to prevent porn star from leaking details of disgusting affair" as a description would kind of negate the whole thing.

Grand juries don't indict for misdemeanors, do they?

And states don't have jurisdiction over campaign finances violations.

It's likely fraud or similar based on how the payment to Cohen was registered.

Yeah, I'm really confused on this one.

It's not illegal to pay someone to keep quiet. That's an established fact.

Prosecutors suggest that Trump listing the reimbursement to his lawyer as a "legal fee" is tantamount to falsifying business records, which would be a misdemeanor. I have no clue how prosecutors think he SHOULD have recorded this expense. I am not an accountant. Did they expect him to list "Hush Money" on the ledger???

Now here's where it gets interesting/confusing. Per the BBC:

"Prosecutors could also potentially allege that this breaks election law, because his attempt to hide his payments to Ms. Daniels was motivated by not wanting voters to know he had an affair with her. Covering up a crime by falsifying records would be a felony, which is a more serious charge."

So first - well duh. Second, if it's not illegal to pay someone to keep quiet, then what crime is being covered up? Are they referring to the book keeping listing it as a "legal fee?"

I fucking hate Trump with a white hot passion and even I'll go on record as saying that's pretty weak sauce.

What I find amazing is that the focus is on these technical details and not the out right distastefulness of cheating on your wife and paying the affair partner to keep quiet. Like how is that not a disqualifier anymore?

Part of me wonders if he legitimately thinks trying to not cooperate and "win" proves he didn't have an affair with a porn star and pay her to shut up about it. Like he still tells his wife it didn't happen. And if he "wins" he thinks that's proof it never happened and he'd run to his wife like a little boy with a good progress report runs to mommy.

I honestly believe he's a child mentally.

kingstonlake wrote:Part of me wonders if he legitimately thinks trying to not cooperate and "win" proves he didn't have an affair with a porn star and pay her to shut up about it. Like he still tells his wife it didn't happen. And if he "wins" he thinks that's proof it never happened and he'd run to his wife like a little boy with a good progress report runs to mommy.

I honestly believe he's a child mentally.

He insults people at about the level of a two year old, so yes, mentally he is a child.

kingstonlake wrote:That quote truly shows the depths of stupidity amongst his supporters. Do they understand that you can support someone without going to jail for them? You made that choice.

Like most republicans, they wanted the freedom to break the laws that they chose to break without consequences, or rather to be let off the hook for them. Because patriotism such and such.

kingstonlake wrote:Part of me wonders if he legitimately thinks trying to not cooperate and "win" proves he didn't have an affair with a porn star and pay her to shut up about it. Like he still tells his wife it didn't happen. And if he "wins" he thinks that's proof it never happened and he'd run to his wife like a little boy with a good progress report runs to mommy.

I honestly believe he's a child mentally.

I'm betting this whole "affair with a porn star" deal was legitimately his bright idea to bolster his image and his 'manhood' with his ridiculous base.  I would bet a lot of money on it if we had a way of absolute verification.  However to admit it was his made up idea would be bad for his image.  But now he's got himself in a pickle with how he went about it.  The dude is a lot of things but his fixation on beautiful things is, IMO, extremely fake and scripted.  I honestly think he's probably gay deep down.  NTTAWWT.

Guarantee TravelnMan wouldn’t be “confused” if an employee just made an accounting error paying $130K for a hooker and filed as a travel expense.

Here’s a name TravelinMan, Alphonse Capone.  He spent time in Federal prison because of accounting errors.

GRR Spartan wrote:Guarantee TravelnMan wouldn’t be “confused” if an employee just made an accounting error paying $130K for a hooker and filed as a travel expense.

Here’s a name TravelinMan, Alphonse Capone.  He spent time in Federal prison because of accounting errors.

I always had my EA do my expense reports. I have no idea how she categorized the hookers. Sorry.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:That quote truly shows the depths of stupidity amongst his supporters. Do they understand that you can support someone without going to jail for them? You made that choice.

Like most republicans, they wanted the freedom to break the laws that they chose to break without consequences, or rather to be let off the hook for them. Because patriotism such and such.

“Most Republicans”

Trapper Gus wrote:What is up with Republicans treating the investigation and possible indictment of Trump like a political game, like the United States justice system operated like Russia's?

I keep seeing MSM stories about Republicans saying the Democratic Party is "overplaying its hand" like the law is some sort of poker game.

If he did the crime he serves the time in our country. This isn't Russia, dudes, and you should stop talking as though it is.

Really? What happened to liberals whining that rich people buy their way out of justice?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Really?  What happened to liberals whining that rich people buy their way out of justice?

Sometime I wonder about your cognition.

Just because Republicans keep paying off the police doesn't change the principles the country was founded upon.

Are you saying that Trump should skate because Fred Trump scammed the Federal Government out of millions while defiantly being woke in a very negative way?

Are you all in on turning the United States into Russia?

You're up in here ranting like it's all black and white. "If he did the crime, he does the time." That's great interwebz blowhard theory, but that is SO not true in today's judicial system, and we both know it.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

You're up in here ranting like it's all black and white. "If he did the crime, he does the time." That's great interwebz blowhard theory, but that is SO not true in today's judicial system, and we both know it.

Generally it is true.

If the prosecutors don't think they have the evidence to take it to court then they don't indict, which is what is confusing some people. The real decisions on guilt are made prior to the indictment.

"Generally it is true?" Bullshit. The wealthy do better than the Poors. Whites do better than minorities. And you know goddamn well former Presidents of the United States of America are gonna do better than you or I would. To suggest otherwise is just flat out dumb.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Generally it is true.

If the prosecutors don't think they have the evidence to take it to court then they don't indict, which is what is confusing some people. The real decisions on guilt are made prior to the indictment.

"Generally it is true?" Bullshit. The wealthy do better than the Poors. Whites do better than minorities. And you know goddamn well former Presidents of the United States of America are gonna do better than you or I would. To suggest otherwise is just flat out dumb.

Let me know next time any of the Poors are charged with Trumpian crimes.

NigelUno wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

"Generally it is true?" Bullshit. The wealthy do better than the Poors. Whites do better than minorities. And you know goddamn well former Presidents of the United States of America are gonna do better than you or I would. To suggest otherwise is just flat out dumb.

Let me know next time any of the Poors are charged with Trumpian crimes.

Sure thing. DM me your email and I’ll put you on the list.

So TravelinMan thinks its okay to lie on Federal election filing forms itemizing paying off a paramour as a campaign expense and because its Donald J Trump, former POTUS who violated the law before he was POTUS we should just shake our collective heads and let him try to make a mockery of campaign laws because they shouldn't apply to him.

When one does business with people who think like TravelinMan has admitted you need to make sure every I is dotted, every T crossed and commas, semi-colons, and colons are all used correctly or they will almost assuredly weasel out of the agreement.

Donald J Trump has been playing those games for decades along with accounting version of 3 Card Monte.

Trapper Gus wrote:What is up with Republicans treating the investigation and possible indictment of Trump like a political game, like the United States justice system operated like Russia's?

I keep seeing MSM stories about Republicans saying the Democratic Party is "overplaying its hand" like the law is some sort of poker game.

If he did the crime he serves the time in our country.  This isn't Russia, dudes, and you should stop talking as though it is.

and, lemme guess.. the mainstream media is normalizing it to cover for the best thing that ever happened to them?

GRR Spartan wrote:So TravelinMan thinks its okay to lie on Federal election filing forms itemizing paying off a paramour as a campaign expense and because its Donald J Trump, former POTUS who violated the law before he was POTUS we should just shake our collective heads and let him try to make a mockery of campaign laws because they shouldn't apply to him.

When one does business with people who think like TravelinMan has admitted you need to make sure every I is dotted, every T crossed and commas, semi-colons, and colons are all used correctly or they will almost assuredly weasel out of the agreement.

Donald J Trump has been playing those games for decades along with accounting version of 3 Card Monte.

Condolences to your loved ones.

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I can only hope that's indicative of Trump's popularity these days.