The Democrat's "deep" bench

by TravelinMan 2023-04-07, 00:28

Who's missing from this article? Because if this is accurate, the Dems are in trouble if Uncle Joe bows out for 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63654388

by **Cameron** 2023-04-07, 07:23

Not a very encouraging list, to be sure.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-07, 08:05

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
Joe Biden

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
23 - Judge Cheri Beasley
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
13 - Senator Tim Scott
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24726-the-2024-michigan-legislature-us-house-senate-presidential-election-who-do-you-think-wins

I disagree with your assessment TM. There are some people who have a strong background in politics & policy on both sides. None of them are as strong as Biden, but they are strong contenders.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-04-07, 08:39

TravelinMan wrote:Who's missing from this article? Because if this is accurate, the Dems are in trouble if Uncle Joe bows out for 2024.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63654388

let's see.. any of the people listed..

or an bloated orange sack of putrid christian filth who brags about raping women.... or a fragile, insecure, christian dictator-wannabe who bans books that hurts his feelings while providing assault rifles to everyone who is capable of pulling the trigger and has no regard for the sanctity of human life..

scratch

congrats on amplifying the mainstream media narrative.. The Democrat's "deep" bench 502811600

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-04-07, 10:10

It always seems like that though doesn’t it? First, biden is running do whatever. Second, that’s what primaries are for, building a brand. We could be having this conversation in 2007 saying “oh all they have is Hillary and a first term senator? What a bench!”

So in summary, stupid conversation not worth the bandwidth that article is printed on.

by sεяεηιτλ 2023-04-07, 20:19

n order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:

I don't know about you but I was a big big fan of Marianne Williamson. She had a lot of good things to say about castor oil and sage usage for a healthy spirit.

by sεяεηιτλ 2023-04-07, 20:20

Trapper Gus wrote:
TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
Joe Biden

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
23 - Judge Cheri Beasley
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
13 - Senator Tim Scott
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24726-the-2024-michigan-legislature-us-house-senate-presidential-election-who-do-you-think-wins

I disagree with your assessment TM. There are some people who have a strong background in politics & policy on both sides. None of them are as strong as Biden, but they are strong contenders.

He's obviously looking at this from a purely "likeability" standpoint, so people like warren automatically get lumped in as a new/equally hated HRC and such and such. Stuff like that. So to him the list is complete garbage.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-08, 08:14

I'm never any good when people start talking about who they want to sit down and drink with, I'm too focused on policies and the good of the country, which many people don't seem to care about.

by TravelinMan 2023-04-08, 12:56

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24726-the-2024-michigan-legislature-us-house-senate-presidential-election-who-do-you-think-wins

I disagree with your assessment TM. There are some people who have a strong background in politics & policy on both sides. None of them are as strong as Biden, but they are strong contenders.

He's obviously looking at this from a purely "likeability" standpoint, so people like warren automatically get lumped in as a new/equally hated HRC and such and such. Stuff like that. So to him the list is complete garbage.

Exactly. We all know likability is a huge factor in winning elections. That’s just common sense.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-08, 18:30

TravelinMan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

He's obviously looking at this from a purely "likeability" standpoint, so people like warren automatically get lumped in as a new/equally hated HRC and such and such. Stuff like that. So to him the list is complete garbage.

Exactly. We all know likability is a huge factor in winning elections. That’s just common sense.

It didn't matter for Trump, just getting the Russians to help worked just fine for him.

by sεяεηιτλ 2023-04-08, 23:48

TravelinMan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

He's obviously looking at this from a purely "likeability" standpoint, so people like warren automatically get lumped in as a new/equally hated HRC and such and such. Stuff like that. So to him the list is complete garbage.

Exactly. We all know likability is a huge factor in winning elections. That’s just common sense.

In a sense and to a lot of people, you're not wrong. But looking at the collective experience on that list and saying it's an empty bench is completely and utterly moronic. It's like if tucker carlson took calls from a random joe, read him the list, and the guy just rails against them all as liberal socialist communist lefties that want to destroy america level of thought.

That is to say your knee-jerk reaction to that list is HEAVILY influenced by propaganda running the narrative that these are all liberal extremists or bitches that don't deserve to be in office. As is the case most of the time with propaganda inception, it is wrong and completely unhinged line of thought when you look just a little bit closer.

by TravelinMan 2023-04-09, 11:18

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Exactly. We all know likability is a huge factor in winning elections. That’s just common sense.

In a sense and to a lot of people, you're not wrong. But looking at the collective experience on that list and saying it's an empty bench is completely and utterly moronic. It's like if tucker carlson took calls from a random joe, read him the list, and the guy just rails against them all as liberal socialist communist lefties that want to destroy america level of thought.

That is to say your knee-jerk reaction to that list is HEAVILY influenced by propaganda running the narrative that these are all liberal extremists or bitches that don't deserve to be in office. As is the case most of the time with propaganda inception, it is wrong and completely unhinged line of thought when you look just a little bit closer.

The list might have plenty of good experience, but if they’re not electable, WGAF?

by sεяεηιτλ 2023-04-09, 12:05

TravelinMan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

In a sense and to a lot of people, you're not wrong. But looking at the collective experience on that list and saying it's an empty bench is completely and utterly moronic. It's like if tucker carlson took calls from a random joe, read him the list, and the guy just rails against them all as liberal socialist communist lefties that want to destroy america level of thought.

That is to say your knee-jerk reaction to that list is HEAVILY influenced by propaganda running the narrative that these are all liberal extremists or bitches that don't deserve to be in office. As is the case most of the time with propaganda inception, it is wrong and completely unhinged line of thought when you look just a little bit closer.

The list might have plenty of good experience, but if they’re not electable, WGAF?

my point is, they are perfectly electable. the negative narratives around most of these people are fabricated.
Sure, i have opinions about who i personally like and don't like but that doesn't mean they aren't electable.

by TravelinMan 2023-04-09, 12:43

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

The list might have plenty of good experience, but if they’re not electable, WGAF?

my point is, they are perfectly electable. the negative narratives around most of these people are fabricated.
Sure, i have opinions about who i personally like and don't like but that doesn't mean they aren't electable.

Love your optimism.

by **NigelUno** 2023-04-09, 13:36

TravelinMan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

my point is, they are perfectly electable. the negative narratives around most of these people are fabricated.
Sure, i have opinions about who i personally like and don't like but that doesn't mean they aren't electable.

Love your optimism.

You're really worried about the likability of any Dem, in a race against Trump?

Suspect

by Pervis Muldoon 2023-04-09, 14:54

TravelinMan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

In a sense and to a lot of people, you're not wrong. But looking at the collective experience on that list and saying it's an empty bench is completely and utterly moronic. It's like if tucker carlson took calls from a random joe, read him the list, and the guy just rails against them all as liberal socialist communist lefties that want to destroy america level of thought.

That is to say your knee-jerk reaction to that list is HEAVILY influenced by propaganda running the narrative that these are all liberal extremists or bitches that don't deserve to be in office. As is the case most of the time with propaganda inception, it is wrong and completely unhinged line of thought when you look just a little bit closer.

The list might have plenty of good experience, but if they’re not electable, WGAF?

I bet when Obama first jumped into the 2008 race, you thought he was unelectable.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-04-09, 15:18

Yeah, so so early. Remember, Rick Scott was a lock at one point in 2015.

by TravelinMan 2023-04-09, 20:13

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

The list might have plenty of good experience, but if they’re not electable, WGAF?

I bet when Obama first jumped into the 2008 race, you thought he was unelectable.

Nah. He had a charisma that was unbeatable. I thought he was a slam dunk winner.

by TravelinMan 2023-04-09, 20:13

NigelUno wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Love your optimism.

You're really worried about the likability of any Dem, in a race against Trump?

I don’t think it’ll be Trump.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-04-09, 20:29

TravelinMan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

You're really worried about the likability of any Dem, in a race against Trump?

I don’t think it’ll be Trump.

So, trump and desantis split the evil vote and... what?... Christie?

by **NigelUno** 2023-04-09, 21:20

TravelinMan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

You're really worried about the likability of any Dem, in a race against Trump?

I don’t think it’ll be Trump.

All in on Hutchinson or Haley?

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