"Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next."

by **Vlad** Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:25 am

Good ol' Fox News! Wink

Why do they even bother?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:25 am

Feel the Bern

by **Turtleneck** Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:41 am

Wish there was a forum for politics.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:56 pm

I watched Fox News the other morning after getting back from my run. Here were the first 3 stories:

1. Hillary and how her email account has ruined the modern world
2. Trump and how he leads the GOP field
3. a brown man from Mexico killed a white woman

seriously. "Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next." 502811600

"Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next." 502811600

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:04 pm

Turtleneck wrote:Wish there was a forum for politics.

I think it's fine here occassionally or with big stories.

This thread is definitely pushing the limit.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:06 pm

"MSNBC said something stupid too!" - Loose Goose

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:15 pm

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:"MSNBC said something stupid too!" - Loose Goose

Benghazi

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:27 pm

I agree this should be moved to the swill bin, or to wherever political threads are moved.

I'll say this, though: It's summer, and it's 15+ months away from the general election. Most voters aren't paying attention. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are highly, highly unlikely to be the nominees of their respective parties. Both will likely need to mount independent runs.

by **Turtleneck** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:46 pm

tGreenWay wrote:I agree this should be moved to the swill bin, or to wherever political threads are moved.

I'll say this, though: It's summer, and it's 15+ months away from the general election. Most voters aren't paying attention. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are highly, highly unlikely to be the nominees of their respective parties. Both will likely need to mount independent runs.

Sanders is popular with a lot of people that will not end up voting.

Trump is big in the polls, but polls are not the voting booth. It is easy to say you support Trump when talking to a pollster, but I bet people will have second thoughts when they get in the voting booth come primary season.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:48 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:I agree this should be moved to the swill bin, or to wherever political threads are moved.

I'll say this, though: It's summer, and it's 15+ months away from the general election. Most voters aren't paying attention. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are highly, highly unlikely to be the nominees of their respective parties. Both will likely need to mount independent runs.

Sanders is popular with a lot of people that will not end up voting.

Trump is big in the polls, but polls are not the voting booth. It is easy to say you support Trump when talking to a pollster, but I bet people will have second thoughts when they get in the voting booth come primary season.

For fucks sake turtleneck keep your partisan bullshit in the swill bin. Fuck man.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:50 pm

Why can't we have it all on one board? Never got why people get all worked up about a few political threads here and there. Aren't we all level headed enough here to handle this?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:53 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Why can't we have it all on one board? Never got why people get all worked up about a few political threads here and there. Aren't we all level headed enough here to handle this?

No one really cares that much I don't think.

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:55 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:I agree this should be moved to the swill bin, or to wherever political threads are moved.

I'll say this, though: It's summer, and it's 15+ months away from the general election. Most voters aren't paying attention. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are highly, highly unlikely to be the nominees of their respective parties. Both will likely need to mount independent runs.

Sanders is popular with a lot of people that will not end up voting.

Trump is big in the polls, but polls are not the voting booth. It is easy to say you support Trump when talking to a pollster, but I bet people will have second thoughts when they get in the voting booth come primary season.

Spot on with Sanders' supporters. They'll disappear at election time. Trump has solid support from TP conservatives, which could sustain him longer because they have shown themselves to show up at the polls. The GOP machine will not tolerate Trump as its nominee. Probably won't matter, though, because Trump's worst enemies are his ego and his mouth. He'll probably say something that leads to his undoing.

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:56 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Why can't we have it all on one board? Never got why people get all worked up about a few political threads here and there. Aren't we all level headed enough here to handle this?

"Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next." 1966794946

by AnomanderRake Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:58 pm

tGreenWay wrote:I agree this should be moved to the swill bin, or to wherever political threads are moved.

I'll say this, though: It's summer, and it's 15+ months away from the general election. Most voters aren't paying attention. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are highly, highly unlikely to be the nominees of their respective parties. Both will likely need to mount independent runs.

Sanders already said he won't run independently if he doesn't get the nomination. He knows better than to split votes and put some moronic republican in office, especially when there's an upcoming supreme court appointment for the next President.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:59 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Why can't we have it all on one board? Never got why people get all worked up about a few political threads here and there. Aren't we all level headed enough here to handle this?

Seriously. No LWS, who the hell is going to have some meltdown here over the bullshit that politics is already?

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:00 pm

AnomanderRake wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:I agree this should be moved to the swill bin, or to wherever political threads are moved.

I'll say this, though: It's summer, and it's 15+ months away from the general election. Most voters aren't paying attention. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are highly, highly unlikely to be the nominees of their respective parties. Both will likely need to mount independent runs.

Sanders already said he won't run independently if he doesn't get the nomination. He knows better than to split votes and put some moronic republican in office, especially when there's an upcoming supreme court appointment for the next President.

Hadn't heard that. Very interesting. Thanks.

by **Cym Jim** Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:02 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Seriously. No LWS, who the hell is going to have some meltdown here over the bullshit that politics is already?

Agreed.

by **Turtleneck** Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:11 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Sanders is popular with a lot of people that will not end up voting.

Trump is big in the polls, but polls are not the voting booth. It is easy to say you support Trump when talking to a pollster, but I bet people will have second thoughts when they get in the voting booth come primary season.

Spot on with Sanders' supporters. They'll disappear at election time. Trump has solid support from TP conservatives, which could sustain him longer because they have shown themselves to show up at the polls. The GOP machine will not tolerate Trump as its nominee. Probably won't matter, though, because Trump's worst enemies are his ego and his mouth. He'll probably say something that leads to his undoing.

Trump's Bravado is carrying him with the TP. He has yet to offer anything substantive. TP followers are pretty dogmatic. Right now Trump's personality plays to their dogma, but sooner or later he will need to provide specific policy ideas. Is "I will tell them to do it and they will do it" enough to get people to actually vote for him? The TP is smarter than that, right?

by **Turtleneck** Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:14 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Seriously. No LWS, who the hell is going to have some meltdown here over the bullshit that politics is already?

tGreenway is already going ballistic in this thread.

by **GRR Spartan** Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:31 pm

Big banks and financiers are crapping bricks with Clinton and Jeb Bush stumbling. The Koch brothers are watching their boy Scott Walker fall behind Trump in Iowa after helping Walker set up Iowa for a year.

I've thought Clinton would screw up before the nomination but didn't see Sanders coming on. Jeb Bush doesn't look strong at all.

My tin foil hat tells me the big money GOP donors will flip to John Kasich because he's not Trump and he's governor of a key Electoral College state.

At the end of the conventions it's possible to see Joe Biden vs John Kasich as Clinton and Tromp flame out.

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:17 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Seriously. No LWS, who the hell is going to have some meltdown here over the bullshit that politics is already?

tGreenway is already going ballistic in this thread.

Haterz gonna hate hate hate hate hate hate.
Shake it off. Shake it off.

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:20 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Seriously. No LWS, who the hell is going to have some meltdown here over the bullshit that politics is already?

Most will be fine. Some might lose their minds. Those who only see life through the prism of their political beliefs are most likely to foul up an otherwise collegial thread.

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:28 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Spot on with Sanders' supporters. They'll disappear at election time. Trump has solid support from TP conservatives, which could sustain him longer because they have shown themselves to show up at the polls. The GOP machine will not tolerate Trump as its nominee. Probably won't matter, though, because Trump's worst enemies are his ego and his mouth. He'll probably say something that leads to his undoing.

Trump's Bravado is carrying him with the TP. He has yet to offer anything substantive. TP followers are pretty dogmatic. Right now Trump's personality plays to their dogma, but sooner or later he will need to provide specific policy ideas. Is "I will tell them to do it and they will do it" enough to get people to actually vote for him? The TP is smarter than that, right?

I honestly do not know. I would think that at some point, maybe soon, someone high up in one of the local TP chapters will ask for specifics, and Trump will probably continue to evade the question. There's no real upside to offering specifics early on. Eventually, he'll have to present some policy, if he makes it that far. I'm not convinced he'll go deep enough into the campaign to offer specific details regarding a Trump Administration.

by **Vlad** Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:49 pm

I'm not so sure that the voters want "specifics" and "policies". I think the talking heads on TV want those things, but the general public is not smart enough to make heads or tails out the detailed policies, 27 step proposals, etc. Most people lose interest after hearing the first 3 of those 27 steps, and tune into the Kardashians. In general elections, people vote on the like factor. If they like one candidate more than the other, that's all the reason they need. Specifics are optional.

Right now, Trump is winning in the "like" column because he talks in plain English, and because he's entertaining. He's the anti-politician. Heck, he's even turned being rich (and boasting about it) into a positive!! Look as how the public responded to Romney's wealth, and how they're responding to Trump's.

I think the game has changed.

by **Floyd Robertson** Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:42 pm

Trump + The Body.

What could possibly go wrong. "Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next." 502811600

Jesse Ventura: Do you think Trump would consider me for VP?

by **tGreenWay** Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:21 pm

Floyd Robertson wrote:Trump + The Body.

What could possibly go wrong.

Jesse Ventura: Do you think Trump would consider me for VP?

I'd vote for them. Okay, I wouldn't, but I'd want the yard signs, posters, and bumper stickers. "Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next." 502811600

by Triple Sparty Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:54 pm

Nobody cares about policies because they don't matter. Rs have their philosophy; Ds have theirs. Neither is a big secret. And once someone is elected, all those policies are distant memories. Simply comes down to who the undecideds like most. Trump seems to be winning that right now because he's the most entertaining.

by **Blanch32** Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:00 pm

I would have voted for hil bf the bengaze and sever fiasco. Bottom line she's better suited for rcmb rod than in charge of the free world. Can't play the women card on the rest of the world. They ain't as pc as us

by **Turtleneck** Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:04 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

tGreenway is already going ballistic in this thread.

Haterz gonna hate hate hate hate hate hate.
Shake it off. Shake it off.

Bob will cut you.

tGreenWay wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Trump's Bravado is carrying him with the TP. He has yet to offer anything substantive. TP followers are pretty dogmatic. Right now Trump's personality plays to their dogma, but sooner or later he will need to provide specific policy ideas. Is "I will tell them to do it and they will do it" enough to get people to actually vote for him? The TP is smarter than that, right?

I honestly do not know. I would think that at some point, maybe soon, someone high up in one of the local TP chapters will ask for specifics, and Trump will probably continue to evade the question. There's no real upside to offering specifics early on. Eventually, he'll have to present some policy, if he makes it that far. I'm not convinced he'll go deep enough into the campaign to offer specific details regarding a Trump Administration.

Vlad wrote:I'm not so sure that the voters want "specifics" and "policies". I think the talking heads on TV want those things, but the general public is not smart enough to make heads or tails out the detailed policies, 27 step proposals, etc. Most people lose interest after hearing the first 3 of those 27 steps, and tune into the Kardashians. In general elections, people vote on the like factor. If they like one candidate more than the other, that's all the reason they need. Specifics are optional.

Right now, Trump is winning in the "like" column because he talks in plain English, and because he's entertaining. He's the anti-politician. Heck, he's even turned being rich (and boasting about it) into a positive!! Look as how the public responded to Romney's wealth, and how they're responding to Trump's.

I think the game has changed.

Two things. First, you're reading a bit too much into my comment about specifics. Several of the candidates have offered policy positions, and some of them have laid out policy positions on their websites. Trump evades every question that asks for substance. It is not about a "27 step proposal," but at least giving voters an idea of who you are. Second, we are talking about primaries. Primaries attract more high information voters than general elections. Primary voters are base voters and tend to very ideological (which is why the nominees trend moderate during the general election...they have to attract swing voters). I am not sure how long Trump can keep the gimmick going without telling voters how he plans to make America great again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/are-the-polls-skewed-121346.html

by AnomanderRake Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:16 pm

Trump doesn't actually have a chance at winning the general election and I doubt the GOP will allow him to win their primary either. Independents won't go near a guy like trump. He will leave his mark on this election before he's done though by forcing other candidates to have some very uncomfortable conversations about the current state of politics.

by **InTenSity** Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:21 pm

AnomanderRake wrote:Trump doesn't actually have a chance at winning the general election and I doubt the GOP will allow him to win their primary either. Independents won't go near a guy like trump. He will leave his mark on this election before he's done though by forcing other candidates to have some very uncomfortable conversations about the current state of politics.

Didn't he talk about buying off candidates? I thought that was pretty funny.

by HT Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:38 pm

They all suck

by **Vlad** Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:15 pm

Turtleneck wrote:I am not sure how long Trump can keep the gimmick going without telling voters how he plans to make America great again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/are-the-polls-skewed-121346.html

What did past Presidents tell us about how they're going to "make America great"? And did they follow up on that?

Seems to me that if you have Congress on your side, you can pretty much do anything, even if it is (or is not) what you promised pre-election. And if you don't have Congress on your side, then good luck with executive orders.

So I don't worry about policies and promises. I vote on party platform, vote for the one like best, and hope for the best.

by **Frank Ricard** Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:22 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Big banks and financiers are crapping bricks with Clinton and Jeb Bush stumbling. The Koch brothers are watching their boy Scott Walker fall behind Trump in Iowa after helping Walker set up Iowa for a year.

I've thought Clinton would screw up before the nomination but didn't see Sanders coming on. Jeb Bush doesn't look strong at all.

My tin foil hat tells me the big money GOP donors will flip to John Kasich because he's not Trump and he's governor of a key Electoral College state.

At the end of the conventions it's possible to see Joe Biden vs John Kasich as Clinton and Tromp flame out.

I actually would be good with a choice between Biden and Kasich. Biden has the respect of a lot of people on both sides of the aisle and Kasich, while more conservative, doesn't seem to be an over the top. I think both would be pragmatic and govern from the middle.

If it comes down to Trump or Clinton, I may either not vote at all, which I have always done since 1980, or vote for the Communist Party candidate as a way of saying fuck you to both parties.

by **Turtleneck** Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:29 am

Vlad, why is Trump offering specifics? Why did he update his website to add a section called "Positions" (it was not there last week) when all of that stuff is pointless?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/16/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plans/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:55 pm

“I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong and so powerful and so great… that we’ll never have to use it. Nobody’s gonna mess with us" - trump

Fucking puppets "Latest poll numbers show tough road ahead for Hillary Clinton. We'll talk to Karl Rove and get his thoughts next." 502811600

unreal

by **Turtleneck** Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:04 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:“I will rebuild our military. It will be so strong and so powerful and so great… that we’ll never have to use it. Nobody’s gonna mess with us" - trump

Fucking puppets unreal

Trump would be a great addition to the Swill.

by **Code_Warrior** Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:39 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Seriously. No LWS, who the hell is going to have some meltdown here over the bullshit that politics is already?

Most will be fine. Some might lose their minds. Those who only see life through the prism of their political beliefs are most likely to foul up an otherwise collegial thread.

I've been lurking lately, not posting, biding my time to make a political statement so mind blowingly astute that people of all political persuasions will have no choice but to admit to the righteousness of my view and drop all disagreements to join with me in peace and brotherhood.

But then I said fuck that and posted this instead. And I'd like to add that all of your political viewpoints are full of shit and I'm the only one who's right. Also, I'm keeping it to myself while I secretly mock and ridicule all of your nonsensical views, assuring myself of my own superiority.

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:31 am

First on CNN: Biden meets with Warren in Washington

Biden is increasingly weighing whether to challenge Hillary Clinton and other Democratic candidates for the party's presidential nomination. A small team of advisers has spent weeks quietly putting together a campaign strategy and fundraising plan in case Biden decides to run. He had at least one meeting with them this week in Wilmington, one person familiar with the session told CNN.

Voters Think More Highly of Biden Than Clinton in Key States

The Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday shows voters in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania view Biden as more “honest and trustworthy” than Clinton by at least 20 percentage points in all three states. Biden’s favorability ratings beat Clinton’s by seven to nine percentage points.

Dems need to jump on the Biden bandwagon and dump Hillary.

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