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Article Grantland: Today the Ducks, Tomorrow the World: Michigan State Puts Its Playoff Cred to the Test vs. Oregon

Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 11:03

Today the Ducks, Tomorrow the World: Michigan State Puts Its Playoff Cred to the Test vs. Oregon

By now, Michigan State fans should be well acquainted with that feeling beyond the quarterback position: Although the Spartans won 11 games or more in four out of five seasons from 2010 to 2014 and won major bowl games each of the past two years, they haven’t quite managed to acquire the aura of a perennially elite program. In 2013, skeptics derided the schedule, which didn’t feature a single notable victim until postseason upsets over then–no. 2 Ohio State (in the Big Ten championship game) and then–no. 5 Stanford (in the Rose Bowl); though the Spartans finished no. 3, they didn’t make their first appearance in the polls until after Halloween, two-thirds of the way through the regular season. Last year, pollsters showed considerably more respect, with MSU opening at no. 8 in the AP poll and never falling below no. 13, but the Spartans were unable to capitalize thanks to double-digit losses at the hands of Oregon early and Ohio State late, the two teams that would play in the national championship game. Again, MSU failed to topple a top-shelf opponent until the postseason, in a come-from-behind, 42-41 triumph over Baylor in the Cotton Bowl.
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Post by Giant Moose Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 11:11

Early in the 2013 season, the offense remained a laughingstock sans Bell, accounting for fewer touchdowns against FBS opponents in the month of September (3) than the far more capable MSU defense (4). By November, though, Cook had permanently relegated 2012 starter Andrew Maxwell to the bench, and Michigan State had begun its rapid climb into the national consciousness.
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Post by AnomanderRake Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 11:30

I thought this was a really well written article, thanks for posting.
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Post by Giant Moose Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 11:45

Grantland: Today the Ducks, Tomorrow the World: Michigan State Puts Its Playoff Cred to the Test vs. Oregon
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Post by steveschneider Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 11:55

" they haven’t quite managed to acquire the aura of a perennially elite program. In 2013, skeptics derided the schedule, which didn’t feature a single notable victim until postseason upsets over then–no. 2 Ohio State (in the Big Ten championship game"

How come Ohio State can have a tissue paper soft schedule this year and dodge the same criticisms?
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 12:13

steveschneider wrote:" they haven’t quite managed to acquire the aura of a perennially elite program. In 2013, skeptics derided the schedule, which didn’t feature a single notable victim until postseason upsets over then–no. 2 Ohio State (in the Big Ten championship game"

How come Ohio State can have a tissue paper soft schedule this year and dodge the same criticisms?

Because they are the defending National Champions?
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Post by Floyd Robertson Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 13:02

I thought that was a pretty fair assessment except when it came to pointing out the points-allowed differential between non-ranked vs. ranked teams.

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I would love to see the evidence that all teams don't display that tendency when playing ranked teams, especially the top 10 teams the likes of Ohio State, Baylor and Oregon.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 13:04

Giant Moose wrote:
Grantland: Today the Ducks, Tomorrow the World: Michigan State Puts Its Playoff Cred to the Test vs. Oregon
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Post by Blanch32 Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 20:21

Floyd Robertson wrote:I thought that was a pretty fair assessment except when it came to pointing out the points-allowed differential between non-ranked vs. ranked teams.

Grantland: Today the Ducks, Tomorrow the World: Michigan State Puts Its Playoff Cred to the Test vs. Oregon Michigan-state-defense-chart

I would love to see the evidence that all teams don't display that tendency when playing ranked teams, especially the top 10 teams the likes of Ohio State, Baylor and Oregon.

Dude out of those 12 quarter out D only showed up in maybe 3. The critism is warranted
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Post by Herbie Green Thu 10 Sep 2015 - 23:42

Why does the 2013 win over OSU always seem to get ignored? That team was 12-0 and #2 in the country.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher Fri 11 Sep 2015 - 9:22

I didn't think that article was very flattering. It's definitely fair to point out that our defense had a hard time stopping some of the best offenses of the past decade. It's true. I kind of felt like the article slighted Cook a bit more than deserved, though. Underhanded compliments followed by critiques.
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Post by AnomanderRake Fri 11 Sep 2015 - 9:35

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I didn't think that article was very flattering. It's definitely fair to point out that our defense had a hard time stopping some of the best offenses of the past decade. It's true. I kind of felt like the article slighted Cook a bit more than deserved, though. Underhanded compliments followed by critiques.

The article wasn't intended to be flattering. It's a well written critical thinking piece, he provided a lot of sensible statistics and insight, and basically said this is our chance to prove ourselves after falling short.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher Fri 11 Sep 2015 - 9:45

I know! #Windowisclosing
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Post by Blanch32 Fri 11 Sep 2015 - 10:13

AnomanderRake wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I didn't think that article was very flattering. It's definitely fair to point out that our defense had a hard time stopping some of the best offenses of the past decade. It's true. I kind of felt like the article slighted Cook a bit more than deserved, though. Underhanded compliments followed by critiques.

The article wasn't intended to be flattering. It's a well written critical thinking piece, he provided a lot of sensible statistics and insight, and basically said this is our chance to prove ourselves after falling short.

Exactly. Fluff pieces come after victory
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Fri 11 Sep 2015 - 10:18

Herbie Green wrote:Why does the 2013 win over OSU always seem to get ignored? That team was 12-0 and #2 in the country.

It was brought up in the article.
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Post by Turtleneck Fri 11 Sep 2015 - 10:36

Herbie Green wrote:Why does the 2013 win over OSU always seem to get ignored? That team was 12-0 and #2 in the country.

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