How far do we fall tomorrow?

Vlad wrote:Very interesting. Getting more respect nationally than from our own fan base.

Good to know Coach D has been able to work his magic nationally. Pity he doesn't get more respect from his own.

I bet we fell in that idiot Jeff Seidel's vote.

Good thing I quit reading that moron's articles.

Vlad wrote:Very interesting. Getting more respect nationally than from our own fan base.

Naw. Pretty sure all UM fans are sucking Harbaugh's dick as hard as the media

SpartanInNH wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
If only we would have lost to Air Force so we'd have a good loss against a 3-0 opponent instead of a bad win against a crappy 2-1 opponent.

You know Michigan fans are talking about how their loss to Utah is more meaningful than our win over Oregon. You know it.

That's because they're idiots

UM fans have to be pissed to see Oregon #25. This poll doesn't have much credibility.

So to answer this question completely, we went up one place in the Coaches and remained #2 in the AP.

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t8131-week-5-polls-msu-2-in-both-coaches-and-ap

steveschneider wrote:I bet we fell in that idiot Jeff Seidel's vote.

Good thing I quit reading that moron's articles.

Went from 5 to 4 with him

Fell 4 spots to #28 on Sagarin.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Herbie Green wrote:Fell 4 spots to #28 on Sagarin.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Behind 5 one loss teams (including one at number one. I'll save you all the click, Alabama) and behind two 2-2 teams.

........

K.

Vlad wrote:Very interesting. Getting more respect nationally than from our own fan base.

No, many from our fan base respect the team and understand what rankings are all about at this point. We've been screwed by the system beforehand. Many in our fan base get what this team is and what we might become. Many respect that about our program.

It's really only now and always have been the assholes who don't. Can't change them. We've played 4 games we've won all four. Some morons in our fan base would have us apologize for doing so.

Fuck them. Just win.

DWags wrote:

Vlad wrote:Very interesting. Getting more respect nationally than from our own fan base.

No, many from our fan base respect the team and understand what rankings are all about at this point. We've been screwed by the system beforehand. Many in our fan base get what this team is and what we might become. Many respect that about our program.

It's really only now and always have been the assholes who don't. Can't change them. We've played 4 games we've won all four. Some morons in our fan base would have us apologize for doing so.

Fuck them. Just win.

Drink!

Another good week for the Spartans and another disappointing week for Vlad.

DWags wrote:

Vlad wrote:Very interesting. Getting more respect nationally than from our own fan base.

No, many from our fan base respect the team and understand what rankings are all about at this point.  We've been screwed by the system beforehand. Many in our fan base get what this team is and what we might become.  Many respect that about our program.

It's really only now and always have been the assholes who don't.  Can't change them.  We've played 4 games we've won all four. Some morons in our fan base would have us apologize for doing so.

Fuck them. Just win.

This is all so personal for some of you. Makes me smile.  You would think I just said your mothers don't deserve to be ranked number 2.

Oh, and 4-0 is good. No apology needed.

GRR Spartan wrote:Another good week for the Spartans and another disappointing week for Vlad.

Bang! It's kind funny. A self admitted person who has said right on this forum he likes to rub it in to the general fan base to get reactions from them can't bitch about losses or Dantonio's program so he has to complain about a three touchdown victory.

To answer his foolish question.... Zero

We've dropped zero spots. 0. Zip. Nada. Nein.

DWags wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Another good week for the Spartans and another disappointing week for Vlad.

Bang! It's kind funny. A self admitted person who has said right on this forum he likes to rub it in to the general fan base to get reactions from them can't bitch about losses or Dantonio's program so he has to complain about a three touchdown victory.

To answer his foolish question.... Zero

We've dropped zero spots. 0. Zip. Nada. Nein.

Are you getting angry again? Because you sound just a tad bit angry.

DWags wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Another good week for the Spartans and another  disappointing week for Vlad.

Bang!  It's kind funny. A self admitted person who has said right on this forum he likes to rub it in to the general fan base to get reactions from them can't bitch about losses or Dantonio's program so he has to complain about a three touchdown victory.

To answer his foolish question.... Zero

We've dropped zero spots. 0.  Zip.   Nada. Nein.

Technically, we didn't drop 0, we dropped -1.  Or, for the math challenged, we moved up a spot in one poll.  I guess I'm just an old sunshine optimist.

HA! I can't type sunshine blow3r! The system changed it to optimist!

Code_Warrior wrote:

DWags wrote:

Bang!  It's kind funny. A self admitted person who has said right on this forum he likes to rub it in to the general fan base to get reactions from them can't bitch about losses or Dantonio's program so he has to complain about a three touchdown victory.

To answer his foolish question.... Zero

We've dropped zero spots. 0.  Zip.   Nada. Nein.

Technically, we didn't drop 0, we dropped -1.  Or, for the math challenged, we moved up a spot in one poll.  I guess I'm just an old sunshine optimist.

Ha. So we actually climbed. Imagine how miserable some people are today.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:Fell 4 spots to #28 on Sagarin.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Behind 5 one loss teams (including one at number one. I'll save you all the click, Alabama) and behind two 2-2 teams.

........

K.

It might be a lot more accurate than you think. For instance, MSU opened a 27 point favorite to Purdue (now down to 24.5). The Sagarin rankings predict a 24 point victory.
That line movement also seems to indicate that the smart money was going big on Purdue.
It isn't always going to align that well but it is quite often close. Interestingly, Sagarin would now have UM as an 8 point favorite over MSU right now. I am not even sure who would be favored right now, but I am guessing the relative strength of the teams is a lot closer now based on what has occurred this season - despite what the human polls currently say.

Herbie Green wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Behind 5 one loss teams (including one at number one. I'll save you all the click, Alabama) and behind two 2-2 teams.

........

K.

It might be a lot more accurate than you think. For instance, MSU opened a 27 point favorite to Purdue (now down to 24.5). The Sagarin rankings predict a 24 point victory.
That line movement also seems to indicate that the smart money was going big on Purdue.
It isn't always going to align that well but it is quite often close. Interestingly, Sagarin would now have UM as an 8 point favorite over MSU right now. I am not even sure who would be favored right now, but I am guessing the relative strength of the teams is a lot closer now based on what has occurred this season - despite what the human polls currently say.

Tennessee.

K.

Code_Warrior wrote:HA! I can't type sunshine blow3r! The system changed it to optimist!

That SeeRock is a shit and should be culled

Herbie Green wrote:Fell 4 spots to #28 on Sagarin.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

You're like the Wisky fans who followed the Sagarin rankings like the Bible in hoops a few years ago.

Death Roe wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:Fell 4 spots to #28 on Sagarin.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

You're like the Wisky fans who followed the Sagarin rankings like the Bible in hoops a few years ago.

Or like the playoff committee, the BCS rankings, the basketball commitee, professional gamblers.
I don't take his rankings as gospel though, especially early in the season. But it can offer a different perspective Truth be told, I hate basketball computer stuff for some reason. I think it is Pomroy people usually talk about. But there must be some value to that stuff as well. Mark Cuban hired Sagarin.

Herbie Green wrote:

Death Roe wrote:

You're like the Wisky fans who followed the Sagarin rankings like the Bible in hoops a few years ago.

Or like the playoff committee, the BCS rankings, the basketball commitee, professional gamblers.
I don't take his rankings as gospel though, especially early in the season. But it can offer a different perspective Truth be told, I hate basketball computer stuff for some reason. I think it is Pomroy people usually talk about. But there must be some value to that stuff as well. Mark Cuban hired Sagarin.

Here's the thing anyway, and it's not that complicated. Win all of our games, beat Ohio state, go to the playoff. Regardless of anything else. There's no realistic circumstance in which we do that and we don't go to the playoff. Dont win all of our games and don't win the big Ten and we don't go to the playoff. And we shouldn't.

The rest of this is just meaningless noise.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Or like the playoff committee, the BCS rankings, the basketball commitee, professional gamblers.
I don't take his rankings as gospel though, especially early in the season. But it can offer a different perspective Truth be told, I hate basketball computer stuff for some reason. I think it is Pomroy people usually talk about. But there must be some value to that stuff as well. Mark Cuban hired Sagarin.

Here's the thing anyway, and it's not that complicated. Win all of our games, beat Ohio state, go to the playoff. Regardless of anything else. There's no realistic circumstance in which we do that and we don't go to the playoff. Dont win all of our games and don't win the big Ten and we don't go to the playoff. And we shouldn't.

The rest of this is just meaningless noise.

Agreed. It won't stop fans and media from talking about it though

Herbie Green wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Here's the thing anyway, and it's not that complicated. Win all of our games, beat Ohio state, go to the playoff. Regardless of anything else. There's no realistic circumstance in which we do that and we don't go to the playoff. Dont win all of our games and don't win the big Ten and we don't go to the playoff. And we shouldn't.

The rest of this is just meaningless noise.

Agreed. It won't stop fans and media from talking about it though

There is always that whole "what if we lose to someone stupid like Nebraska but go on to win out and still win the big Ten."

I'll cross that annoying argument bridge if we get to it though.

KPI Sports has MSU ranked at #14

http://www.kpisports.net/

1. LSU (3-0) .434
2. Northwestern (4-0) .369
3. Oklahoma (3-0) .315
4. West Virginia (3-0) .309
5. Florida (4-0) .304
6. Utah (4-0) .303
7. Temple (3-0) .295
8. TCU (4-0) .288
9. UCLA (4-0) .271
10. Iowa (4-0) .236
11. Indiana (4-0) .231
12. Ohio State (4-0) .215
13. Stanford (3-1) .208
14. Michigan State (4-0) .207

So now we're finding obscure rankings to show how much we suck?
Go green!

duffy munn wrote:

Vlad wrote:

Are you getting angry again? Because you sound just a tad bit angry.

That's your goal, right ?

I don't really have "goals" when it comes to messageboard posting. I'm not that goal-oriented.

Wally Fairway wrote:KPI Sports has MSU ranked at #14

http://www.kpisports.net/

1. LSU (3-0) .434
2. Northwestern (4-0) .369
3. Oklahoma (3-0) .315
4. West Virginia (3-0) .309
5. Florida (4-0) .304
6. Utah (4-0) .303
7. Temple (3-0) .295
8. TCU (4-0) .288
9. UCLA (4-0) .271
10. Iowa (4-0) .236
11. Indiana (4-0) .231
12. Ohio State (4-0) .215
13. Stanford (3-1) .208
14. Michigan State (4-0) .207

I fart in the general direction of any ranking system that has Indiana, Iowa and Temple ranked ahead of tOSU and MSU.

Plus that Pauga character is a UM plant in our athletic department.   ;-)

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Or like the playoff committee, the BCS rankings, the basketball commitee, professional gamblers.
I don't take his rankings as gospel though, especially early in the season. But it can offer a different perspective Truth be told, I hate basketball computer stuff for some reason. I think it is Pomroy people usually talk about. But there must be some value to that stuff as well. Mark Cuban hired Sagarin.

Here's the thing anyway, and it's not that complicated. Win all of our games, beat Ohio state, go to the playoff. Regardless of anything else. There's no realistic circumstance in which we do that and we don't go to the playoff. Dont win all of our games and don't win the big Ten and we don't go to the playoff. And we shouldn't.

The rest of this is just meaningless noise.

Agree, but how about this scenario: we lose to OSU and don't look all that impressive beating the others. Do we get in the playoffs with one loss and an otherwise lackluster performance throughout the season?

Too much football to be played yet to know the answer to that, I guess.

Vlad wrote:I don't really have "goals" when it comes to messageboard posting. I'm not that goal-oriented.

You sound like OTPT and his job search.

Vlad wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Here's the thing anyway, and it's not that complicated. Win all of our games, beat Ohio state, go to the playoff. Regardless of anything else. There's no realistic circumstance in which we do that and we don't go to the playoff. Dont win all of our games and don't win the big Ten and we don't go to the playoff. And we shouldn't.

The rest of this is just meaningless noise.

Agree,  but how about this scenario: we lose to OSU and don't look all that impressive beating the others. Do we get in the playoffs with one loss and an otherwise lackluster performance throughout the season?

Too much football to be played yet to know the answer to that, I guess.

Like I said, cross that bridge later.

But if we win all of our games I suspect it won't matter how

I don't know what this means.

Why aren't gifs working?

InTenSity wrote:Why aren't gifs working?

Because See Rock is not here.

LooseGoose wrote:Plus that Pauga character is a UM plant in our athletic department.   ;-)

yeah and he bases his ranking (both basketball & football) on stupid factors, like facts, statistics, and results.

Wally Fairway wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Plus that Pauga character is a UM plant in our athletic department.   ;-)

yeah and he bases his ranking (both basketball & football) on stupid factors, like facts, statistics, and results.

Damn him and his witchcraft.