Are the Pistons retiring too many jerseys?

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2016-02-11, 00:22

I don't really care about this but I thought it was topic worthy. And I'm not following my own advice and going to bed yet.

The Pistons have recently retired Ben Wallace's jersey and tonight they retired Chaunce Billups #1 jersey. Freep article says they will retire Rip Hamilton's jersey next (yessir).

In the modern-ish era, they have also retired jerseys for Zeke, Joe D, Vinnie, Rodman and Laimbeer.

What is your preferred stance towards jersey retirement? Is this overkill? I mean the Tigers won't even retire Tram and Lou's numbers. Vinnie Johnson?? He was the third guard in. Seems kinda weird.

I loved the 2004 Pistons but should Chauncey and Ben and Rip have their numbers in the rafters?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-02-11, 00:24

Rip too? Fuck. I think I was okay with Big Ben and Mr. Big Shot but Isn't Rip kind of a stretch?

Unless the organization thinks that we are never going to win a world championship again, christ. Fuck that.

Too many, WBH, too many. But like you - in the long run, I don't really give a fuck. Who's next, fucking Sheed? Are the Pistons retiring too many jerseys? 502811600

Are the Pistons retiring too many jerseys? 502811600

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-11, 00:25

I don't have a problem with putting names in the rafters, including rip. But, the actual retiring thing should be held for only the highest of honor. Say, Isaiah, maybe chauncey or Ben. Probably Ben. At a certain point retiring a number loses its meaning if there are too many of them. (See, Celtics, Boston for more information.)

by **InTenSity** 2016-02-11, 00:27

They have 100 numbers to choose from.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-02-11, 00:30

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don't have a problem with putting names in the rafters, including rip. But, the actual retiring thing should be held for only the highest of honor. Say, Isaiah, maybe chauncey or Ben. Probably Ben. At a certain point retiring a number loses its meaning if there are too many of them. (See, Celtics, Boston for more information.)

I agree Travis.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2016-02-11, 00:31

Gut says only for hall of fame caliber guys. To me that's probably Zeke and Joe. Remember in basketball hof is entire body of work. Not just player stats.

Worm is a hof but probably 65% of his body of hof work was in a bulls or spurs jersey.

by **duffy munn** 2016-02-11, 00:33

Numbers 21, 11 and 16 belong in the rafters. After that, none of the rest really do.

Guys like Laimbeer, Dumars, Vinnie and now Ben and Chauncy were great players that won Championships but none of them are Hall of Famers.

by **duffy munn** 2016-02-11, 00:34

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Gut says only for hall of fame caliber guys. To me that's probably Zeke and Joe. Remember in basketball hof is entire body of work. Not just player stats.

Worm is a hof but probably 65% of his body of hof work was in a bulls or spurs jersey.

Is Dumars in the Hall ?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-11, 00:34

InTenSity wrote:They have 100 numbers to choose from.

I'm not worried about them running out of numbers... But at a certain point, when you've got Vinnie Johnson and Rip Hamilton up there, what does it even mean?

by **tig ol bitties** 2016-02-11, 00:35

gotta get folks in the building somehow

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-11, 00:36

Ben is tied for the record for most defensive player of the year awards. That's pretty amazing. I would absolutely defend him being retired. He's not yet in the hall of fame, but he probably should be. (And this isn't baseball, so who really gives a shit about the hall of fame anyway?)

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-02-11, 00:46

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
InTenSity wrote:They have 100 numbers to choose from.

I'm not worried about them running out of numbers... But at a certain point, when you've got Vinnie Johnson and Rip Hamilton up there, what does it even mean?

Are the Pistons retiring too many jerseys? 8ig-data-4

by **tGreenWay** 2016-02-11, 01:14

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Rip too? Fuck. I think I was okay with Big Ben and Mr. Big Shot but Isn't Rip kind of a stretch?

Unless the organization thinks that we are never going to win a world championship again, christ. Fuck that.

Too many, WBH, too many. But like you - in the long run, I don't really give a fuck. Who's next, fucking Sheed?

And let's get to James Edwards, too. Aw hell, let's just retire everyone's numbers.

by **tGreenWay** 2016-02-11, 01:19

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
InTenSity wrote:They have 100 numbers to choose from.

I'm not worried about them running out of numbers... But at a certain point, when you've got Vinnie Johnson and Rip Hamilton up there, what does it even mean?

They won't run out of numbers, but they will run out of cool numbers. No free agents will want to sign with Detroit if they're going to be assigned to number 57. I can even envision some college players opting to sit an entire year if they end up a Pistons' draft choice--just to avoid getting number 37.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-02-11, 01:20

tGreenWay wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Rip too? Fuck. I think I was okay with Big Ben and Mr. Big Shot but Isn't Rip kind of a stretch?

Unless the organization thinks that we are never going to win a world championship again, christ. Fuck that.

Too many, WBH, too many. But like you - in the long run, I don't really give a fuck. Who's next, fucking Sheed?

And let's get to James Edwards, too. Aw hell, let's just retire everyone's numbers.

Next thing you know, tSwill will retire Travis' avatar.

by **kingstonlake** 2016-02-11, 06:26

Rip before Wallace. Hands down

by **Giant Moose** 2016-02-11, 06:50

I don't think so. Retiring the best players on championship teams seems fine.

The only thing I find strange is retiring #2 for Chuck Daly winning 2 titles. Put his name up there, sure, but a little odd to give a coach a number.

by **Giant Moose** 2016-02-11, 07:01

I'm also glad they didn't retire Grant Hill's number. I feel like a lesser franchise might have.

by **Giant Moose** 2016-02-11, 07:10

duffy munn wrote:Guys like Laimbeer, Dumars, Vinnie and now Ben and Chauncy were great players that won Championships but none of them are Hall of Famers.

I think all of those players deserve it, but especially #4. The NBA named the sportsmanship trophy after him. That's a pretty high honor.

by Guest 2016-02-11, 07:32

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Rip too? Fuck. I think I was okay with Big Ben and Mr. Big Shot but Isn't Rip kind of a stretch?

Unless the organization thinks that we are never going to win a world championship again, christ. Fuck that.

Too many, WBH, too many. But like you - in the long run, I don't really give a fuck. Who's next, fucking Sheed?

Tay.

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2016-02-11, 07:32

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don't have a problem with putting names in the rafters, including rip. But, the actual retiring thing should be held for only the highest of honor. Say, Isaiah, maybe chauncey or Ben. Probably Ben. At a certain point retiring a number loses its meaning if there are too many of them. (See, Celtics, Boston for more information.)

When you win 17 championships you have a number of HoF'ers to choose from to retire their number.

Celts not in HoF but that have number retired:
JoJo White
Reggie Lewis
Jim Loscutoff
Cedric Maxwell
Don Nelson

http://www.nba.com/celtics/history/retired-numbers

by **duffy munn** 2016-02-11, 08:11

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I don't have a problem with putting names in the rafters, including rip. But, the actual retiring thing should be held for only the highest of honor. Say, Isaiah, maybe chauncey or Ben. Probably Ben. At a certain point retiring a number loses its meaning if there are too many of them. (See, Celtics, Boston for more information.)

When you win 17 championships you have a number of HoF'ers to choose from to retire their number.

Celts not in HoF but that have number retired:
JoJo White
Reggie Lewis
Jim Loscutoff
Cedric Maxwell
Don Nelson

http://www.nba.com/celtics/history/retired-numbers

Cornbread Maxwell, really ?

by Guest 2016-02-11, 08:13

duffy munn wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

When you win 17 championships you have a number of HoF'ers to choose from to retire their number.

Celts not in HoF but that have number retired:
JoJo White
Reggie Lewis
Jim Loscutoff
Cedric Maxwell
Don Nelson

http://www.nba.com/celtics/history/retired-numbers

Cornbread Maxwell, really ?

Made it on the nickname and a really good NCAA Tourney.

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2016-02-11, 08:23

duffy munn wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:

When you win 17 championships you have a number of HoF'ers to choose from to retire their number.

Celts not in HoF but that have number retired:
JoJo White
Reggie Lewis
Jim Loscutoff
Cedric Maxwell
Don Nelson

http://www.nba.com/celtics/history/retired-numbers

Cornbread Maxwell, really ?

Totally agree on Cornbread skepticism but in his defense he was the Finals mvp in 81 and has done radio for them forever.

by **kingstonlake** 2016-02-11, 08:38

I don't get the retiring numbers thing. Just retire jerseys. Here the jersey Chauncey wore and its in the rafters now. Let others guys use the number and if they're good enough, retire that jersey as well with the same number on it.

by **By-Tor** 2016-02-11, 09:11

I will be on a hunger strike until Olden Polynice's number hits the rafters.

by Guest 2016-02-11, 09:20

By-Tor wrote:I will be on a hunger strike until Olden Polynice's number hits the rafters.

It was nice knowing you.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2016-02-11, 09:37

Olden might just outfit himself as a Palace security guard and raise his own jersey to the roof if someone isn't keeping close enough tabs on him.

by **tGreenWay** 2016-02-11, 10:25

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

And let's get to James Edwards, too. Aw hell, let's just retire everyone's numbers.

Next thing you know, tSwill will retire Travis' avatar.

Pitiful. tSwill will do whatever it takes to being in posters. I also have it on good authority that Travis is funneling money to the right people in order to get his avatar retired.

by **steveschneider** 2016-02-11, 10:44

I had a thought about the Spartan Football and retiring jersey #'s. Have the Spartans done enough?

Is it time to start retiring jerseys from the 70's and 80's? Gibson, Rison, White, Banks and Snow?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-11, 10:46

tGreenWay wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Next thing you know, tSwill will retire Travis' avatar.

Pitiful. tSwill will do whatever it takes to being in posters. I also have it on good authority that Travis is funneling money to the right people in order to get his avatar retired.

It's gonna happen and it's gonna be glorious

by **kingstonlake** 2016-02-11, 11:17

Brooke Steppe. WHERES THAT MOTHER FUCKERS RETIREMENT party.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-02-11, 11:37

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Pitiful. tSwill will do whatever it takes to being in posters. I also have it on good authority that Travis is funneling money to the right people in order to get his avatar retired.

It's gonna happen and it's gonna be glorious

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-02-11, 11:44

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Pitiful. tSwill will do whatever it takes to being in posters. I also have it on good authority that Travis is funneling money to the right people in order to get his avatar retired.

It's gonna happen and it's gonna be glorious

Under my watch there will never be a Travis avatar retirement ceremony. In fact I will actively work towards limiting his presence here at tSwill. A better Swill, a better America.

#RideThePylon2016

by **Giant Moose** 2016-02-11, 11:47

Can we still nominate stuff to be voted on? Someone should nominate Travis' avatar to be retired. I would but I'm bad luck at nominating.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-02-11, 11:49

Giant Moose wrote:Can we still nominate stuff to be voting on? Someone should nominate Travis' avatar to be retired. I would but I'm bad luck at nominating.

This is literally the worst post ever.

by **Giant Moose** 2016-02-11, 11:50

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Giant Moose wrote:Can we still nominate stuff to be voting on? Someone should nominate Travis' avatar to be retired. I would but I'm bad luck at nominating.

This is literally the worst post ever.

Sorry, I fixed the weird grammar mistake I made. Are the Pistons retiring too many jerseys? 502811600

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-11, 11:59

Giant Moose wrote:Can we still nominate stuff to be voted on? Someone should nominate Travis' avatar to be retired. I would but I'm bad luck at nominating.

Can someone please nominate this? I don't think it's appropriate that I do it. But I also feel that it's necessary.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-02-11, 12:42

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Giant Moose wrote:Can we still nominate stuff to be voted on? Someone should nominate Travis' avatar to be retired. I would but I'm bad luck at nominating.

Can someone please nominate this? I don't think it's appropriate that I do it. But I also feel that it's necessary.

Wait, if your avatar gets retired does that mean you can't post here anymore? I could get behind that.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-11, 12:45

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Can someone please nominate this? I don't think it's appropriate that I do it. But I also feel that it's necessary.

Wait, if your avatar gets retired does that mean you can't post here anymore? I could get behind that.

Start it up then Pylon.

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