Gary Johnson

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-22, 21:24

Couldn't find a Gary Johnson thread. I like him. Let's bicker about him, Roc/Turtleneck/Dwags and co.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-22, 21:37

He is cool. He was mentioned in another thread. Getting lots of attention right now. Actually said he likes Sanders the most of the three still standing. He said he is the opposite of Sanders on economic issues, but has lots of common ground on social issues.

He is a tri-athlete and has done some endurance races, too. He is a good choice for the five Rs who actually believe in limited government.

He has been beating up on Trump in interviews. I think he get some votes in November. Very good alternative.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-22, 21:41

Turtleneck wrote:He is cool. He was mentioned in another thread. Getting lots of attention right now. Actually said he likes Sanders the most of the three still standing. He said he is the opposite of Sanders on economic issues, but has lots of common ground on social issues.

He is a tri-athlete and has done some endurance races, too. He is a good choice for the five Rs who actually believe in limited government.

He has been beating up on Trump in interviews. I think he get some votes in November. Very good alternative.

I don't like you when you say things I agree with.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-22, 23:49

I didn't know about his athletic prowess. He's running as a Libertarian, though, and with more and more people "identifying" as independent (I know, I know)... I think he appeals to more than just the Republican party. I split with Libertarians on a few issues but if I agree with you more than half the time, I'm inclined to break my vow and cast a vote.

That interview with Joe is a good one. Probably won't appeal to those that want to bully their neighbors, though...

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-22, 23:53

xsanguine wrote:I didn't know about his athletic prowess. He's running as a Libertarian, though, and with more and more people "identifying" as independent (I know, I know)... I think he appeals to more than just the Republican party. I split with Libertarians on a few issues but if I agree with you more than half the time, I'm inclined to break my vow and cast a vote.

That interview with Joe is a good one. Probably won't appeal to those that want to bully their neighbors, though...

Generally speaking, yes, but I was referring to this election. If will be disaffected Rs that give him any boost/support beyond consistent libertarians on Election Day.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-22, 23:58

Turtleneck wrote:
xsanguine wrote:I didn't know about his athletic prowess. He's running as a Libertarian, though, and with more and more people "identifying" as independent (I know, I know)... I think he appeals to more than just the Republican party. I split with Libertarians on a few issues but if I agree with you more than half the time, I'm inclined to break my vow and cast a vote.

That interview with Joe is a good one. Probably won't appeal to those that want to bully their neighbors, though...

Generally speaking, yes, but I was referring to this election. If will be disaffected Rs that give him any boost/support beyond consistent libertarians on Election Day.

You're probably right. I have the pipe dream that the social aspects of Libertarianism will appeal to disaffected D's at some point. It'll never happen because of that desire to bully their neighbors but a boy can dream, can't he?

Another interview with my boy Dave Rubin, easier to manage at just over 20 minutes...

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 08:21

I hope you can overcome these terrible bullies in your life, X.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 12:00

Turtleneck wrote:I hope you can overcome these terrible bullies in your life, X.

I can only vote for my slave master. Unfortunately, I cannot vote not to be a slave.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 12:28

Stop whining and get back to work.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-05-23, 12:30

xsanguine wrote:Couldn't find a Gary Johnson thread. I like him. Let's bicker about him, Roc/Turtleneck/Dwags and co.

I've never heard of him but I just wanted to stop here and say that I'm glad you're back.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 12:35

Good to see you, Bob! I think I can manage to pop in every now and then for a bit. How's things been?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-05-23, 12:37

xsanguine wrote:Good to see you, Bob! I think I can manage to pop in every now and then for a bit. How's things been?

things are good.. laid back weekend, etc. Worked out a lot, drank some beer.. cranked music. Enjoyed the sun. Briefly went to the East Lansing Art Festival until I couldn't take much more (I was there about 3 minutes) - ended up at the Tin Can for 24 oz cans of Old Style with a buddy.

how are you?

by **Rocinante** 2016-05-23, 12:59

You never vote, x?

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 13:08

The problem with Johnson is that he trades, in the word of X, one slave master for another.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:08

I'm in a constant battle with the concept of voting. I don't believe individual freedoms should be decided by others. I find it offensive to have others decide what you're allowed to do and also offensive that others get to choose what to do with your resources, hence my reference to election year being the time when everyone votes to bully their neighbors. On the other hand... That's the current reality so if there's a chance at moving it in the direction of allowing people to live their lives as they choose then you have to play this antiquated game. Libertarians are as close as it gets to maximizing freedoms with as little coercion as possible...

I've always voted in the past but I'm not going to stand in line to play this rigged game unless there's a possibility that game can be unrigged. Very doubtful, Libertarianism doesn't have enough "give everyone freebies!" And it doesn't have enough "let's bomb the Mooslims and be mean to gays!", so... I just find the discussions entertaining.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:09

Turtleneck wrote:The problem with Johnson is that he trades, in the word of X, one slave master for another.

This is correct and my main gripe with Libertarianism.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:11

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:Good to see you, Bob! I think I can manage to pop in every now and then for a bit. How's things been?
things are good.. laid back weekend, etc. Worked out a lot, drank some beer.. cranked music. Enjoyed the sun. Briefly went to the East Lansing Art Festival until I couldn't take much more (I was there about 3 minutes) - ended up at the Tin Can for 24 oz cans of Old Style with a buddy.

how are you?

Sounds like a fun! I woulda chosen the beer, too. I've been busy and will probably be picking up... I was anticipating being a bit more busy by now but it hasn't happened quite yet.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 13:21

Are you a father now? Well, I mean, are you knowingly a father now?

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:22

Not yet. Late August. We plan on going on Maury.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 13:24

xsanguine wrote:Not yet. Late August. We plan on going on Maury.

Will that be the "I am not sure which poster from a small independent MSU message board community is the father of my child" episode?

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:27

Turtleneck wrote:
xsanguine wrote:Not yet. Late August. We plan on going on Maury.

Will that be the "I am not sure which poster from a small independent MSU message board community is the father of my child" episode?

I've been practicing my "You are NOT the father" dance.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-05-23, 13:37

xsanguine wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Will that be the "I am not sure which poster from a small independent MSU message board community is the father of my child" episode?

I've been practicing my "You are NOT the father" dance.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:40

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

I've been practicing my "You are NOT the father" dance.

It won't be anywhere near as smooth as that, that guy is good. Us peckerwoods don't have dancing in our culture/upbringing. I may be able to pull off the sprinkler or lawnmower, though.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:45

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 13:46

White people are the worst.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-05-23, 13:48

xsanguine wrote:

my daughter (sorry For bin) has this one signature "go to" dance move that's pretty fly.. I actually had her perpetrate it in the frozen food section at Meijer the other day.. she was rockin' it.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:48

I don't know how many times I mutter...."This is why white people get made fun of" when out in public.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-23, 13:51

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

my daughter (sorry For bin) has this one signature "go to" dance move that's pretty fly.. I actually had her perpetrate it in the frozen food section at Meijer the other day.. she was rockin' it.

You made your daughter dance in the frozen food section of a grocery store?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-05-23, 13:53

Turtleneck wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

my daughter (sorry For bin) has this one signature "go to" dance move that's pretty fly.. I actually had her perpetrate it in the frozen food section at Meijer the other day.. she was rockin' it.

You made your daughter dance in the frozen food section of a grocery store?

well,, it was early Sunday morning.. probably around 7:30.. and it was just me and her and I think they were playing "Kung Fu Fighting" on the Meijer in-store stereo system.

what else can a couple of white people do when reviewing our frozen pizza choices and "Kung Fu Fighting" comes on?

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-23, 13:53

Turtleneck wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

my daughter (sorry For bin) has this one signature "go to" dance move that's pretty fly.. I actually had her perpetrate it in the frozen food section at Meijer the other day.. she was rockin' it.

You made your daughter dance in the frozen food section of a grocery store?

White people, amirite?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-05-23, 13:55

xsanguine wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

You made your daughter dance in the frozen food section of a grocery store?

White people, amirite?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-05-25, 09:47

FiveThirtyEight ‏@FiveThirtyEight 57s57 seconds ago
Pay attention to libertarian Gary Johnson — he's pulling 10% vs. Trump and Clinton: http://53eig.ht/246h3i5
Gary Johnson CjTnG53W0AIw6Jm

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-29, 14:56

Officially the LP nominee...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/29/politics/libertarian-party-nominee-vote/index.html

by Guest 2016-05-29, 15:42

He's got my vote unless something changes drastically.

by Guest 2016-05-29, 15:46

LooseGoose wrote:He's got my vote unless something changes drastically.

This is great. Both Clinton haters and Trump haters are going to the same third party. He takes away the votes equally as shown by polls. Assures a Trump win. Thanks! #45thPresidentTrump

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-29, 16:48

It does not assure a Trump win. Especially if likely R voters are the majority of new Johnson voters.

Johnson is a believer in limited government, unlike Trump who does not understand the concept of natural rights. Trump is philosophically bankrupt like one of his casinos. He is a joke and his supporters are a bunch of oxygen thieves.

Do those white outfits need to be dry cleaned or can they go in the wash? Are logos screen printed or stitched on?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-05-29, 18:21

Clare Malone ‏@ClareMalone 21m21 minutes ago
Gary Johnson has his vp pick: William Weld wins the nomination on the second ballot with 50.57% of vote.

Two term Governor of Mass in the 90s. Also former ambassador to Mexico. Doubt he wants to build a wall.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-05-29, 18:50

Floyd Robertson wrote:Clare Malone ‏@ClareMalone 21m21 minutes ago
Gary Johnson has his vp pick: William Weld wins the nomination on the second ballot with 50.57% of vote.

Two term Governor of Mass in the 90s. Also former ambassador to Mexico. Doubt he wants to build a wall.

He has said multiple times the wall idea is stupid, and he seems to really hate Donald Trump. Johnson and Weld do a much better job explaining why Trump is a problem than either Bernie or Clinton.

by **xsanguine** 2016-05-30, 11:17

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:He's got my vote unless something changes drastically.

This is great. Both Clinton haters and Trump haters are going to the same third party. He takes away the votes equally as shown by polls. Assures a Trump win. Thanks! #45thPresidentTrump

This helps Clinton more than it does Trump, SD.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-06-05, 08:47

Making an appearance on MTP this morning.

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