Is "Cowboy" by Kid Rock the greatest song of all time?

The funny thing is all conservatives do is warn us about the evils of Hollywood and idol worship

Then they champion these drug abusing buffoons because they slap an R next to their names.

kingstonlake wrote:The funny thing is all conservatives do is warn us about the evils of Hollywood and idol worship

Then they champion these drug abusing buffoons because they slap an R next to their names.

You have a point, Schwartzenegger, Bannon and Trump are Hollywood elite.

kingstonlake wrote:The funny thing is all conservatives do is warn us about the evils of Hollywood and idol worship

Then they champion these drug abusing buffoons because they slap an R next to their names.

just as all they do is whine about the mainstream media when the mainstream media does nothing but shamelessly promote their agenda while demonizing anything that might stand in it's way.

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

And of course he hasn't used the confederate flag in his shows since 2010.....but as usual why try to insert facts into the discussions here.

Truth be told, I don't follow him as much as you do so I'll stand corrected.  He obviously doesn't portray that image anymore.  Cool.  Good on him.

What, exactly, is he standing for in his pursuit of this office?  I really don't know. Have you followed him?  More importantly to me is, how does he plan to get there?   

IMO, we're at a point in our countries history where we've become collectively stupid enough to elect an image we like.  They don't need substance anymore.  Don't need to have credentials, don't need to have a background knowledge of how things are done in DC or in Lansing.  Just stand up and say a phrase, or portray yourselff as some swamp drainer, and even if you're the biggest ass clown ever, if you hit a base of the right people, you'll win.   

America.  Love it.

It's exactly what the Rs want. They've spent years devaluing education, making fun of smart people, mocking deep thinkers concerned about the future, and denigrating science so that they can move in and tell their sheep what to think and feel. Throw in the Bible and you've got yourself a party. A Republican Party.

tGreenWay wrote:

DWags wrote:


Truth be told, I don't follow him as much as you do so I'll stand corrected.  He obviously doesn't portray that image anymore.  Cool.  Good on him.

What, exactly, is he standing for in his pursuit of this office?  I really don't know. Have you followed him?  More importantly to me is, how does he plan to get there?   

IMO, we're at a point in our countries history where we've become collectively stupid enough to elect an image we like.  They don't need substance anymore.  Don't need to have credentials, don't need to have a background knowledge of how things are done in DC or in Lansing.  Just stand up and say a phrase, or portray yourselff as some swamp drainer, and even if you're the biggest ass clown ever, if you hit a base of the right people, you'll win.   

America.  Love it.

It's exactly what the Rs want. They've spent years devaluing education, making fun of smart people, mocking deep thinkers concerned about the future, and denigrating science so that they can move in and tell their sheep what to think and feel. Throw in the Bible and you've got yourself a party. A Republican Party.

yep - the thing that Republicans fear most is an educated populace.

For Rochelle Riley to write this she must have been convinced......she's normally the Freep's main player of the race card. And the usual suspects in here jumped to the wrong conclusions.....what a shocker.

Riley: Black educator says Kid Rock was wrong target of protesters

Former Detroit Federation of Teachers President Keith Johnson has never been one to mince words.

So he didn't Wednesday after watching protests of Kid Rock's opening concert the night before at Little Caesars Arena.

"It was senseless and it was pointless," he said about the nearly 200 protesters who turned out to express their frustration that Kid Rock was chosen to christen the mic at the arena after his embrace of President Donald Trump and criticism of NFL player Colin Kaepernick.

Some critics said that Olympia Entertainment should have been more sensitive to the fact that the LCA, as the arena has become known, is in the heart of the nation's largest majority-black city and choosing Kid Rock might be viewed negatively.

But Kid Rock, according to some who know him, has never been a white supremacist, contributing to black causes, getting an award from the NAACP and dating a black woman with whom he has a son.

It is apparently well known that when he left Romeo in suburban Detroit to move into the city and become a rapper, he stayed with a black family.

"The criticism of Kid Rock and trying to call him a white supremacist is wrong," Johnson said. "First of all he’s far from that. This man has done a lot of philanthropic things to help people but he doesn’t broadcast it all. I’ve had the opportunity to speak with him during the time I was president of the DFT, and he’s extremely sensitive to issues facing children of color if for no other reason because he has children of color."

in all seriousness, when you pander to racists and white supremacists, it doesn't really make you any different.

but that's just me. I might not be an idiot, but I pander to them.. so... yeah..

NigelUno wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:For Rochelle Riley to write this she must have been convinced......she's normally the Freep's main player of the race card.  And the usual suspects in here jumped to the wrong conclusions.....what a shocker.

Riley: Black educator says Kid Rock was wrong target of protesters

isn't it it's shocking that the mainstream media would defend a racist white supremacist..?

I mean, we haven't seen anything like that since.. last year.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

isn't it it's shocking that the mainstream media would defend a racist white supremacist..?

I mean, we haven't seen anything like that since.. last year.

You obviously haven't read much of Rochelle Riley's work over the years.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:isn't it it's shocking that the mainstream media would defend a racist white supremacist..?

I mean, we haven't seen anything like that since.. last year.

You obviously haven't read much of Rochelle Riley's work over the years.

I stay away from the mainstream media.

LooseGoose wrote:

MSU addict wrote:Seems to me that Kid Rock is a racist fuck, but that probably does not bother his "constitutional conservative" base.

As I asked earlier do you think he hates his son? His son is 1/2 black. He's contributed much to black organizations over the years. Verifiable donations unlike those from some others. He didn't become a "racist" until he started endorsing Rs starting with Romney in '12 and now threatening to run for office. It's all straight out of the left wing playbook.....

My first post on the 'bin (and I assume last).

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. Much like if I asked - Do you think slave owners loved their children born of slaves? Neither you nor I know what is in Kid Rock's heart. Though I am willing to bet it is a complicated mix, as are most of our feelings.

Here is what I know: The confederate flag is a symbol of hate. It should not be regarded as anything but. I don't want to hear any bullshit about southern pride or rebellion. It only became a symbol of "southern pride and rebellion" in so much as that meant you opposed the civil rights movement in the 60's.

When we see a Swastika, we know it is a symbol of hate - not some ancient Asian religious symbol. You cannot view the confederate flag in any way other than as a symbol of hate.

Yes, Kid Rock stopped using it in his concerts 6 or 7 years ago. Some claim that came about after receiving an award from the NAACP. This of course glosses over the fact that he stopped using it after GM told him that they would drop their sponsorship of him if he flew anything but the US flag. He continues to use confederate flag imagery in his music videos.

Kid Rock likes to point out that he owns a home in Detroit. Should I point out he owns estates in both Alabama and Tennessee?

Yes, I feel that Kid Rock is a racist. I will think that of anyone who chooses to display that symbol of hate in contemporary American society.

You opinions are what they are but I am not left wing in politics or a democrat. I simply oppose racism and symbols of hate.

I doubt he's racist. Just stupid. Which is enough.

Rocinante wrote:I doubt he's racist. Just stupid. Which is enough.

Merica bruh.

Rocinante wrote:I doubt he's racist. Just stupid. Which is enough.

I would disagree, I feel he is anything but stupid. He was not flying the stars and bars in his hip-hop years.

At best he is using confederate imagery to sell records. However, you cannot pander to a racist demographic and then magically disassociate yourself from it. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck - then it's a duck.

It comes down to the paradox of tolerance. In order to maintain a tolerant society, a society must be intolerant of intolerance.

(I feel so dirty posting here.)

Ritchie has been a cynical businessman in his climb to stardom. He recognized Eminem had a shelf life and left white rap to "Southern rap" with the Stars and Bars back drop. Ritchie saw the Rebel image had a higher negative so he replaced the Stars and Bars with the Stars and Stripes wrapping himself in it and using the flag like the NFL is doing.

He's a chickenshit war wimp like the POTUS who knows people who might vote for him have short memories and forget Ritchie had to create a downward mobility back story.

MSU addict wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

As I asked earlier do you think he hates his son? His son is 1/2 black. He's contributed much to black organizations over the years. Verifiable donations unlike those from some others. He didn't become a "racist" until he started endorsing Rs starting with Romney in '12 and now threatening to run for office. It's all straight out of the left wing playbook.....

My first post on the 'bin (and I assume last).

I assumed it was a rhetorical question. Much like if I asked - Do you think slave owners loved their children born of slaves? Neither you nor I know what is in Kid Rock's heart. Though I am willing to bet it is a complicated mix, as are most of our feelings.

Here is what I know: The confederate flag is a symbol of hate. It should not be regarded as anything but. I don't want to hear any bullshit about southern pride or rebellion. It only became a symbol of "southern pride and rebellion" in so much as that meant you opposed the civil rights movement in the 60's.

When we see a Swastika, we know it is a symbol of hate - not some ancient Asian religious symbol. You cannot view the confederate flag in any way other than as a symbol of hate.

Yes, Kid Rock stopped using it in his concerts 6 or 7 years ago. Some claim that came about after receiving an award from the NAACP. This of course glosses over the fact that he stopped using it after GM told him that they would drop their sponsorship of him if he flew anything but the US flag. He continues to use confederate flag imagery in his music videos.

Kid Rock likes to point out that he owns a home in Detroit. Should I point out he owns estates in both Alabama and Tennessee?

Yes, I feel that Kid Rock is a racist. I will think that of anyone who chooses to display that symbol of hate in contemporary American society.

You opinions are what they are but I am not left wing in politics or a democrat. I simply oppose racism and symbols of hate.

He owns land in both though the double wides on them wouldn't fit inn the definition of "estate" when referring to most wealthy people.

Did you watch the interview he did with Rather? I've never been to one of his shows or bought any of his music so I'd be far from a fanboy - but that interview impressed the hell out of me. If he runs he should pay to run that as a campaign commercial a couple of times.

LooseGoose wrote:

MSU addict wrote:
My first post on the 'bin (and I assume last).

I assumed it was a rhetorical question.  Much like if I asked - Do you think slave owners loved their children born of slaves?  Neither you nor I know what is in Kid Rock's heart.  Though I am willing to bet it is a complicated mix, as are most of our feelings.

Here is what I know:  The confederate flag is a symbol of hate.  It should not be regarded as anything but.  I don't want to hear any bullshit about southern pride or rebellion.  It only became a symbol of "southern pride and rebellion" in so much as that meant you opposed the civil rights movement in the 60's.  

When we see a Swastika, we know it is a symbol of hate - not some ancient Asian religious symbol.  You cannot view the confederate flag in any way other than as a symbol of hate.    

Yes, Kid Rock stopped using it in his concerts 6 or 7 years ago.  Some claim that came about after receiving an award from the NAACP.  This of course glosses over the fact that he stopped using it after GM told him that they would drop their sponsorship of him if he flew anything but the US flag.  He continues to use confederate flag imagery in his music videos.

Kid Rock likes to point out that he owns a home in Detroit.  Should I point out he owns estates in both Alabama and Tennessee?  

Yes, I feel that Kid Rock is a racist.  I will think that of anyone who chooses to display that symbol of hate in contemporary American society.

You opinions are what they are but I am not left wing in politics or a democrat.  I simply oppose racism and symbols of hate.  

He owns land in both though the double wides on them wouldn't fit inn the definition of "estate" when referring to most wealthy people.

Did you watch the interview he did with Rather?   I've never been to one of his shows or bought any of his music so I'd be far from a fanboy - but that interview impressed the hell out of me.  If he runs he should pay to run that as a campaign commercial a couple of times.

lol yeah we talked about that in a different thread. Don't allow gooses compliments of it in a different thread cover up the fact that the rest of us said "what the fuck are you talking about? Impressed?" At the time.

bad news for Michigan knuckle-draggers..

Mocking people who took the idea seriously, Kid Rock said this morning he's not running for U.S. Senate.

"F--- no, I’m not running for Senate. Are you kidding me?"

(caution: mainstream media link below)

Kid Rock: "Of course I'm not running for US Senate"

Random Breitbart Commentator wrote:Too bad. He's precisely what the republican party needs. Maybe Ted Nugent will run. He seems stable.

Dude is sad that Bob isn't running. I don't think this was sarcasm.