Lynyrd Skynyrd: 40 years after the plane crash

by **tGreenWay** Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:39 pm

10/20/77: The anniversary of the tragedy came and went here on tSwill. I blame Goose and Bob, they are our music correspondents.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/remembering-lynyrd-skynyrds-plane-crash-ronnie-van-zant-w509500

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/nation-now/2017/10/21/lynyrd-skynyrd-40-years-later-survivors-rescuers-return-crash-site-mississippi/788129001/

by **tGreenWay** Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:39 pm

Post deleted because Turtleneck is a wussy.

by **tGreenWay** Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:44 pm

And yes, IDK and IDC if there was a song posted in the 70s music thread; these guys earned a thread all to themselves. Plus, I'm a selfish but sexy attention whore.

by Senior Dickfist Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:32 pm

I got your back, tGreenWay. Love me some Skynyrd.

by **Motown Spartan** Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:33 pm

Worst band ever.

by **DWags** Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:15 pm

tGreenWay wrote:

10/20/77: The anniversary of the tragedy came and went here on tSwill. I blame Goose and Bob, they are our music correspondents.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/remembering-lynyrd-skynyrds-plane-crash-ronnie-van-zant-w509500

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/nation-now/2017/10/21/lynyrd-skynyrd-40-years-later-survivors-rescuers-return-crash-site-mississippi/788129001/

Jim Perkins Geometry class. He said “the lie nard sky nard band died last night”

We hated him.

by Guest Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:24 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Incredibly hot take.

Simple Man alone negates this rating.

Gimme Three Steps would be the best song for many bands.

Ronnie may have been the toughest lead singer in the history of Rock.

I loved that band.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:57 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Definitely not a fan.

by **DWags** Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:59 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Welp, I just asked my wife about Rutgers. Can’t do that now.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:00 pm

DWags wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Welp, I just asked my wife about Rutgers. Can’t do that now.

Sweet Home...New Jersey?

by **Motown Spartan** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:05 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Incredibly hot take.

Simple Man alone negates this rating.

Gimme Three Steps would be the best song for many bands.

Ronnie may have been the toughest lead singer in the history of Rock.

I loved that band.

Nothing you say will make them better.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:26 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Incredibly hot take.

Simple Man alone negates this rating.

Gimme Three Steps would be the best song for many bands.

Ronnie may have been the toughest lead singer in the history of Rock.

I loved that band.

yep, one of the best straight-up rock bands America ever produced.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:30 pm

Mods please edit OP to include OTPT in the music enthusiasts. Tia.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:39 pm

gHost Spartan wrote:Not really much of a fan but I certainly can appreciate their contribution to the rock genre in the 70s. Didn't the surviving members become .38 Special?

there were multiple incarnations. .38 Special, The Rossington Collins Band, etc.

by SawGreen Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:44 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

I think the exact opposite. Probably one of the greatest bands of all time pre-crash... and just hitting their stride. Ronnie was prolific. One of the biggest "what-ifs" in American music history.

gHost Spartan wrote:Not really much of a fan but I certainly can appreciate their contribution to the rock genre in the 70s. Didn't the surviving members become .38 Special?

No, Ronnie's brother led 38 Special.

by **Nordic** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:45 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Incredibly hot take.

Simple Man alone negates this rating.

Gimme Three Steps would be the best song for many bands.

Ronnie may have been the toughest lead singer in the history of Rock.

I loved that band.

Skynyrd is one of my all time favs. Simple Man and Tuesday's Gone are awesome.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:55 pm

SawGreen wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

I think the exact opposite. Probably one of the greatest bands of all time pre-crash... and just hitting their stride. Ronnie was prolific. One of the biggest "what-ifs" in American music history.

gHost Spartan wrote:Not really much of a fan but I certainly can appreciate their contribution to the rock genre in the 70s. Didn't the surviving members become .38 Special?

No, Ronnie's brother led 38 Special.

this is true, though it gets confusing at times. Their brother Johnny took over for Ronnie and he and Donnie have been in at least a band or two together.

by SawGreen Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:02 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
SawGreen wrote:

I think the exact opposite. Probably one of the greatest bands of all time pre-crash... and just hitting their stride. Ronnie was prolific. One of the biggest "what-ifs" in American music history.

No, Ronnie's brother led 38 Special.
this is true, though it gets confusing at times. Their brother Johnny took over for Ronnie and he and Donnie have been in at least a band or two together.

Yeah, both brothers took over for a bit, but neither was a survivor of the original band.

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:25 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Imagine Dragons fan?

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:28 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Worst band ever.

Imagine Dragons fan?

Are you a NASCAR fan, Kingstonlake?

by **DWags** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:37 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Imagine Dragons fan?

Are you a NASCAR fan, Kingstonlake?

Turtle likes imagine dragons.

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:40 pm

DWags wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Are you a NASCAR fan, Kingstonlake?

Turtle likes imagine dragons.

I'm stunned. Stunned I tell ya.....

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:42 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Imagine Dragons fan?

Are you a NASCAR fan, Kingstonlake?

I've been to a couple races maybe 15 years ago. But haven't paid attention in years.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:45 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
DWags wrote:

Turtle likes imagine dragons.

I'm stunned. Stunned I tell ya.....

Sorry this song hurt your feelings.

by SawGreen Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:49 pm

by **DWags** Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:56 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

I'm stunned. Stunned I tell ya.....

Sorry this song hurt your feelings.

But I like that song.

I also think it was answered in sweet home Alabama. But that shit is silly. I love Neil You g. I love LS. Do we have to choose?

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:03 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

I'm stunned. Stunned I tell ya.....

Sorry this song hurt your feelings.

Love that song.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:04 pm

You can do whatever you want, DWags.

And yes, Sweet Home Alabama, was a response to Southern Man and Young's Alabama.

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:39 pm

Turtleneck wrote:You can do whatever you want, DWags.

And yes, Sweet Home Alabama, was a response to Southern Man and Young's Alabama.

Thanks, Carson Daly

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:48 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:You can do whatever you want, DWags.

And yes, Sweet Home Alabama, was a response to Southern Man and Young's Alabama.

Thanks, Carson Daly

How are you doing in your Nascar fantasy league, or is left turn season over?

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:54 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Thanks, Carson Daly

How are you doing in your Nascar fantasy league, or is left turn season over?

I'm not a NASCAR fan. I've been to a couple races though. It was ok. I'd gladly watch a race in cactus underwear for 5 hours over a three minute imagine dragons song though

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:11 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

How are you doing in your Nascar fantasy league, or is left turn season over?

I'm not a NASCAR fan.

Whatever, bro. I guess it makes sense given you said your favorite movie is Days of Thunder in another thread.

by **tGreenWay** Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:12 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:You can do whatever you want, DWags.

And yes, Sweet Home Alabama, was a response to Southern Man and Young's Alabama.

Thanks, ~~Carson Daly~~ Martha Quinn.

Fixed for a better fitting description.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:22 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Thanks, ~~Carson Daly~~ Martha Quinn.

Fixed for a better fitting description.

Is that some baby boomer idol?

by **tGreenWay** Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:45 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Fixed for a better fitting description.

Is that some baby boomer idol?

You know who you are.

by **kingstonlake** Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:56 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

I'm not a NASCAR fan.

Whatever, bro. I guess it makes sense given you said your favorite movie is Days of Thunder in another thread.

Hmm interesting. Don't recall that but I guess anything's possible. Breaking bad is my favorite show though. So I guess I like meth and murder.

by **Turtleneck** Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:06 am

That does not suprise me at all. Goes hand-in-hand with your other interests.

by **kingstonlake** Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 am

Turtleneck wrote:That does not suprise me at all. Goes hand-in-hand with your other interests.

Ok. Sleep tight in your imagine Dragons undies.

by **Turtleneck** Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:23 am

kingstonlake wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:That does not suprise me at all. Goes hand-in-hand with your other interests.

Ok. Sleep tight in your imagine Dragons undies.

I hope your trailer/meth lab does not explode. Seriously.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:50 am

DWags wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Sorry this song hurt your feelings.

But I like that song.

I also think it was answered in sweet home Alabama. But that shit is silly. I love Neil You g. I love LS. Do we have to choose?

serious post:

if you're up to it, listen to "Ronnie and Neil" by the Truckers.. they're a very progressive rock band firmly rooted in that traditional southern gothic vibe. They talk periodically about the "duality of the southern thing" where they struggle with being very proud of where they're from while acknowledging a very ugly past.

anyway.. this tune sort of outlines how the nation viewed Alabama in the 60's and 70's versus how they grew up and the houses they grew up in.. how the nation viewed them through a prism of segregation but, within certain pockets, black and white blended together just fine.. and how Aretha Franklin, Wilson Pickett, et al. came through Alabama (Muscle Shoals) and recorded some damn good music with the legendary (and all white) Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, i.e. the Swampers.

"now Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers"..

it also speaks to Skynyrd answering Neil Young.. and how there was a feud between the two that was largely an urban legend.. word has it that Neil Young was an honorary pallbearer at Ronnie Van Zant's funeral.. some great lines in this tune about the complexities of life through the lens of race but how music can often be the great equalizer.

Church blew up in Birmingham
Four little black girls killed for no goddamn good reason
All this hate and violence can't come to no good end
A stain on the good name.
A whole lot of good people dragged threw the blood and glass
Blood stains on their good names and all of us take the blame

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Wilson Pickett comes to town
To record that sweet soul music, to get that Muscle Shoals sound
Meanwhile in North Alabama, Aretha Franklin comes to town
To record that sweet soul music, to get that Muscle Shoals sound

And out in California, a rock star from Canada writes a couple of great songs about the
Bad shit that went down
"Southern Man" and "Alabama" certainly told some truth
But there were a lot of good folks down here and Neil Young wasn't around

Meanwhile in North Alabama, Lynyrd Skynyrd came to town
To record with Jimmy Johnson at Muscle Shoals Sound

And they met some real good people, not racist pieces of shit
And they wrote a song about it and that song became a hit
Ronnie and Neil Ronnie and Neil
Rock stars today ain't half as real
Speaking there minds on how they feel
Let them guitars blast for Ronnie and Neil

Now Ronnie and Neil became good friends their feud was just in song
Skynyrd was a bunch of Neil Young fans and Neil he loved that song
So He wrote "Powderfinger" for Skynyrd to record
But Ronnie ended up singing "Sweet Home Alabama" to the lord
And Neil helped carry Ronnie in his casket to the ground
And to my way of thinking, us southern men need both of them around

Ronnie and Neil Ronnie and Neil
Rock stars today ain't half as real
Speaking their minds on how they feel
Let them guitars blast for Ronnie and Neil

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