How to be a 1950s knuckledragger

NigelUno wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

I believe he posted a link that questioned if the kid was there? Can't really remember as it didn't really affect me either way. Much in the same way Hillary Clinton got the name Hillary.

Yeah. It's pretty much the same.

Good analogy.

What affects you isn't really the point if you're talking about Goose throwing bombs on a message board.

Calling a kid Little Hitler and a liar because you want to believe he's a pawn doesn't really compare to how Hillary got her name as far as bomb throwing.

Be Best.

kingstonlake wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Yeah. It's pretty much the same.

Good analogy.

What affects you isn't really the point if you're talking about Goose throwing bombs on a message board.

Calling a kid Little Hitler and a liar because you want to believe he's a pawn doesn't really compare to how Hillary got her name as far as bomb throwing.

Be Best.

Great point. Saying neither affected me is definitely like saying they are comparable.

Did you know I don't like scalloped potatoes and nuclear war? Just to be clear I'm not saying they are similar. I'm just saying I don't like either of them. Hope that helps.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Great point. Saying neither affected me is definitely like saying they are comparable.

Did you know I don't like scalloped potatoes and nuclear war? Just to be clear I'm not saying they are similar. I'm just saying I don't like either of them. Hope that helps.

Trying to hold a conversation with Nigel is uh... not advised.

NigelUno wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Trying to hold a conversation with Nigel is uh... not advised.

Sorry the point went over your head.

Seemed pretty simple.

I won't take you for granted any more.

Hope that helps.

GRR Spartan wrote:The world we get in Goose's time machine is our bankers and financiers will be RDK's (rich dumb kids) whose daddy's can write checks for those "useless degrees" like MBA's.

Then there is the sticky realities.  Adjusting for inflation the $4900 median wage would be $45,800 in May 2018.  That's $22.70 per hour.  Now we have to imagine a world where all those $15-$17/hr jobs would have to bump 29% to 50%.  Even with the new tax bill I don't even see major MI employers like Meijer rushing to raise their median wage to $22.70.

Want to buy a home in the time machine world?  
Median home price was $9800 adjusted for inflation using the same Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI calculator is $91,600 But according to Zillow the media price for a home in MI is $138,750.  How does the author's time machine work out the 51% difference?  

How about purchasing a car?   A new car median cost was $2100 in 1955, about 42% of the median wage. Now the median price of a car in 2017 is $30,000 that’s 62% of the median wage

Is health insurance costing workers more with employee contributions, deductibles and copays taking more than the no employee
contribution plans of 1955 going to roll back to their old methods?  Are hospitals and doctors going to cut their pricing to 1955 levels?  
(My cousin found the bills for her birth in 1956.  The obstetrician charged $100 and Butterworth Hospital charge $145 for a 3 day and 2 overnight stay)

So if we can just convince employers, real estate markets, health care providers, grocers and utility companies to go along we can march backwards towards the 1955 utopia in unison.

Dendrobates wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:The world we get in Goose's time machine is our bankers and financiers will be RDK's (rich dumb kids) whose daddy's can write checks for those "useless degrees" like MBA's.

Then there is the sticky realities.  Adjusting for inflation the $4900 median wage would be $45,800 in May 2018.  That's $22.70 per hour.  Now we have to imagine a world where all those $15-$17/hr jobs would have to bump 29% to 50%.  Even with the new tax bill I don't even see major MI employers like Meijer rushing to raise their median wage to $22.70.

Want to buy a home in the time machine world?  
Median home price was $9800 adjusted for inflation using the same Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI calculator is $91,600 But according to Zillow the media price for a home in MI is $138,750.  How does the author's time machine work out the 51% difference?  

How about purchasing a car?   A new car median cost was $2100 in 1955, about  42% of  the median wage.  Now the median price of a car in 2017 is $30,000 that’s 62% of the median wage

Is health insurance costing workers more with employee contributions, deductibles and copays taking more than the no employee
contribution plans of 1955 going to roll back to their old methods?  Are hospitals and doctors going to cut their pricing to 1955 levels?  
(My cousin found the bills for her birth in 1956.  The obstetrician charged $100 and Butterworth Hospital charge $145 for a 3 day and 2 overnight stay)

So if we can just convince employers, real estate markets, health care providers, grocers and utility companies to go along we can march backwards towards the 1955 utopia in unison.

These are the reasons why it takes a 2 income family to barely survive. Sure, there will always be those people who try to keep up with the Jones’ and say it’s everyone else’s fault. They’re not the majority, and the reason why it has changed so much.

You also have to factor in our lifestyle changes that are practically mandatory that didn’t exist in the 1950s. Internet and cell phones. Both are costly, and required to get by in today’s world. More of our money has to be focused into a 401k than back then. And any funds for for college are necessary for the middle class. It really adds up.

NigelUno wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Great point. Saying neither affected me is definitely like saying they are comparable.

Did you know I don't like scalloped potatoes and nuclear war? Just to be clear I'm not saying they are similar. I'm just saying I don't like either of them. Hope that helps.

No. It didn't really help. You kind of missed the point.

Goose calls a high school kid Little Hitler and a LIAR (because he believes the kid is a pawn and he believes any bullshit he reads on the internet) is NOT throwing bombs (according to you).

And you support that belief because it doesn't affect you (like how Hillary got her name doesn't affect you).

Whether it affects you or not is immaterial to whether it's "bomb throwing". A comparison to how Hillary got her name is also immaterial, and silly.

Hope that helps.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Dendrobates wrote:

These are the reasons why it takes a 2 income family to barely survive. Sure, there will always be those people who try to keep up with the Jones’ and say it’s everyone else’s fault. They’re not the majority, and the reason why it has changed so much.

You also have to factor in our lifestyle changes that are practically mandatory that didn’t exist in the 1950s. Internet and cell phones. Both are costly, and required to get by in today’s world. More of our money has to be focused into a 401k than back then. And any funds for for college are necessary for the middle class. It really adds up.

yep - cost of living has skyrocketed over the years whereas wages are more or less stagnant.

My mom was a secretary, Dad was a factory working. We were pretty much middle class (maybe the lower end), but we had everything we needed and a few things we wanted. However, these days, both parents can have college degrees and work full-time professional positions and really struggle to make ends meet.

of course, a lot of people (we witness it all the time) live beyond their means, which is a recipe for disaster.