GOP candidate for Florida Gov goes full Florida Man

It’s a total self-own in every way if it’s deliberate. Which means, to believe that it’s deliberate, you really have to believe that DeSantis is an imbecile who doesn’t understand where his own political self-interest lies. Having been blessed with a far-left opponent who may himself have difficulty appealing to centrists, he supposedly decided this morning to cede the middle by doing something gratuitously incendiary. Which would make him the dumbest Yale/Harvard Law grad to successfully win election to Congress and then outmaneuver a formidable opponent in a marquee gubernatorial primary in history.

What we have here, I think, is really a case of a narrative taking off because of its sheer irresistibility than one that makes sense on the political merits. Gillum is one step away from becoming the first black governor in Florida’s history, and he made it to that point by being a loud-and-proud Bernie-style progressive. His momentous upset in the primary last night was more significant than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s upset of Joe Crowley, coming as it did in not just a statewide race but one of the most politically influential states in the country. In the end Ocasio-Cortez’s win merely proves that the far left can win in deep blue House districts; a Gillum win this fall would prove that the far left can win even in the ultimate purple state, which would launch socialism to national respectability. For various reasons, in other words, progressives are very ramped up for a Gillum victory. And in DeSantis, a stark example of a Republican slobbering over Trump, they have a guy perfectly cast to be the villain in their narrative. A young, black socialist nominee versus Trump’s apprentice — and the latter says something about “monkeys” on day one of the campaign? There was no way they were letting this pass, no matter how incoherent the idea of a “dog-whistle strategy” is under the circumstances.

LooseGoose wrote:I think Allah nails it here.....there is no way he did this deliberately. Just a fool that used a really, really stupid term given the race he's in. Unless all of you want to claim anyone that's used the term "monkey" is a racist. Maybe my family is the only one on earth that told kids to stop monkeying around or horsing around.

It’s a total self-own in every way if it’s deliberate. Which means, to believe that it’s deliberate, you really have to believe that DeSantis is an imbecile who doesn’t understand where his own political self-interest lies. Having been blessed with a far-left opponent who may himself have difficulty appealing to centrists, he supposedly decided this morning to cede the middle by doing something gratuitously incendiary. Which would make him the dumbest Yale/Harvard Law grad to successfully win election to Congress and then outmaneuver a formidable opponent in a marquee gubernatorial primary in history.

What we have here, I think, is really a case of a narrative taking off because of its sheer irresistibility than one that makes sense on the political merits. Gillum is one step away from becoming the first black governor in Florida’s history, and he made it to that point by being a loud-and-proud Bernie-style progressive. His momentous upset in the primary last night was more significant than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s upset of Joe Crowley, coming as it did in not just a statewide race but one of the most politically influential states in the country. In the end Ocasio-Cortez’s win merely proves that the far left can win in deep blue House districts; a Gillum win this fall would prove that the far left can win even in the ultimate purple state, which would launch socialism to national respectability. For various reasons, in other words, progressives are very ramped up for a Gillum victory. And in DeSantis, a stark example of a Republican slobbering over Trump, they have a guy perfectly cast to be the villain in their narrative. A young, black socialist nominee versus Trump’s apprentice — and the latter says something about “monkeys” on day one of the campaign? There was no way they were letting this pass, no matter how incoherent the idea of a “dog-whistle strategy” is under the circumstances.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/08/29/ron-desantis-black-dem-opponent-florida-voters-shouldnt-monkey-electing-socialist/

LooseGoose wrote:I think Allah nails it here.....there is no way he did this deliberately. Just a fool that used a really, really stupid term given the race he's in. Unless all of you want to claim anyone that's used the term "monkey" is a racist. Maybe my family is the only one on earth that told kids to stop monkeying around or horsing around.

It’s a total self-own in every way if it’s deliberate. Which means, to believe that it’s deliberate, you really have to believe that DeSantis is an imbecile who doesn’t understand where his own political self-interest lies. Having been blessed with a far-left opponent who may himself have difficulty appealing to centrists, he supposedly decided this morning to cede the middle by doing something gratuitously incendiary. Which would make him the dumbest Yale/Harvard Law grad to successfully win election to Congress and then outmaneuver a formidable opponent in a marquee gubernatorial primary in history.

What we have here, I think, is really a case of a narrative taking off because of its sheer irresistibility than one that makes sense on the political merits. Gillum is one step away from becoming the first black governor in Florida’s history, and he made it to that point by being a loud-and-proud Bernie-style progressive. His momentous upset in the primary last night was more significant than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s upset of Joe Crowley, coming as it did in not just a statewide race but one of the most politically influential states in the country. In the end Ocasio-Cortez’s win merely proves that the far left can win in deep blue House districts; a Gillum win this fall would prove that the far left can win even in the ultimate purple state, which would launch socialism to national respectability. For various reasons, in other words, progressives are very ramped up for a Gillum victory. And in DeSantis, a stark example of a Republican slobbering over Trump, they have a guy perfectly cast to be the villain in their narrative. A young, black socialist nominee versus Trump’s apprentice — and the latter says something about “monkeys” on day one of the campaign? There was no way they were letting this pass, no matter how incoherent the idea of a “dog-whistle strategy” is under the circumstances.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/08/29/ron-desantis-black-dem-opponent-florida-voters-shouldnt-monkey-electing-socialist/

Rocinante wrote:This is what I think I hate the most about racism.  The fact that people are so damn willing to use it to their advantage while simultaneously screaming that it isn't real.


It's a national tradition. It's our national gaslighting campaign since the founding of the nation.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Don’t apologize it’s you and like 8 million other people constantly

Dogwhistle though. That’s another one. It’s not a “dogwhistle” when you’re just openly being racist. It’s just being racist. Call it what it is.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Don’t apologize it’s you and like 8 million other people constantly

Dogwhistle though. That’s another one. It’s not a “dogwhistle” when you’re just openly being racist. It’s just being racist. Call it what it is.

Stop yelling at me!

Rocinante wrote:Fuckin travis and his elitist dog whistle gaslighting.

Rocinante wrote:Fuckin travis and his elitist dog whistle gaslighting.

Cameron wrote:I think it's entirely possible that this fellow simply chose his words poorly. That doesn't preclude him from also being racist, of course.

Heat Miser wrote:

Cameron wrote:I think it's entirely possible that this fellow simply chose his words poorly. That doesn't preclude him from also being racist, of course.

An analysis I saw of his full comments also pointed out that:

1. He commented on how "articulate" Gillum was. We should all recognize this.
2. Said Gillum "performed" well in his debates.

From whitey's perspective, he did not choose his words poorly at all.

In pursuit of both, an enormous number of self-described “journalists” deliberately tied DeSantis’s use of “monkey this up”—which came attached to some praise for Gillum coupled with a warning that Gillum’s socialism would muck up Florida’s excellent economy—to the fact that Gillum is black, the obvious implication being that DeSantis believes that electing a black man as governor of Florida would “monkey this up” (whatever that means). But that is not what DeSantis said. It is not what DeSantis meant. And it is not what anyone really thinks he meant, either. It is a lie of the sort that is to be expected from explicitly political players, but not from those who believe they are Woodward and Bernstein in a firefighter’s hat. (Given his interest in “context collapse,” I’m sure that Ezra Klein is penning a defense of DeSantis for Vox as I type.)

LooseGoose wrote:The full quote for those that still care - and you wonder why people hate the press.

"Florida elections are always competitive, and this is a guy who, although he’s much too liberal for Florida, I think he’s got huge problems with how he’s governed Tallahassee, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views, and he’s a charismatic candidate. I watched those Democrat debates, and none of that is my cup of tea, but he performed better than those other people there. So we’ve got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction, let’s build off the success we’ve had on Governor Scott, the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That’s not going to work."

Anyone that says he's calling Gillum a monkey is simply lying. Stupid for using the term? Yep. Why? Because other politicians and the press are always willing to twist words.

In pursuit of both, an enormous number of self-described “journalists” deliberately tied DeSantis’s use of “monkey this up”—which came attached to some praise for Gillum coupled with a warning that Gillum’s socialism would muck up Florida’s excellent economy—to the fact that Gillum is black, the obvious implication being that DeSantis believes that electing a black man as governor of Florida would “monkey this up” (whatever that means). But that is not what DeSantis said. It is not what DeSantis meant. And it is not what anyone really thinks he meant, either. It is a lie of the sort that is to be expected from explicitly political players, but not from those who believe they are Woodward and Bernstein in a firefighter’s hat. (Given his interest in “context collapse,” I’m sure that Ezra Klein is penning a defense of DeSantis for Vox as I type.)

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:The full quote for those that still care - and you wonder why people hate the press.

"Florida elections are always competitive, and this is a guy who, although he’s much too liberal for Florida, I think he’s got huge problems with how he’s governed Tallahassee, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views, and he’s a charismatic candidate. I watched those Democrat debates, and none of that is my cup of tea, but he performed better than those other people there. So we’ve got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction, let’s build off the success we’ve had on Governor Scott, the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That’s not going to work."

Anyone that says he's calling Gillum a monkey is simply lying. Stupid for using the term? Yep. Why? Because other politicians and the press are always willing to twist words.

thanks for the mainstream media copy/paste.

msugolfguy wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: thanks for the mainstream media copy/paste.

Yeah, I can't believe what they type. They're probably covering up for this racist man by twisting the words. Sucks we can't believe the media anymore.

Heat Miser wrote:And then there's this:

Florida GOP gubernatorial nominee was admin of racist Facebook group

LooseGoose wrote:The full quote for those that still care - and you wonder why people hate the press.

"Florida elections are always competitive, and this is a guy who, although he’s much too liberal for Florida, I think he’s got huge problems with how he’s governed Tallahassee, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views, and he’s a charismatic candidate. I watched those Democrat debates, and none of that is my cup of tea, but he performed better than those other people there. So we’ve got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction, let’s build off the success we’ve had on Governor Scott, the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That’s not going to work."

Anyone that says he's calling Gillum a monkey is simply lying. Stupid for using the term? Yep. Why? Because other politicians and the press are always willing to twist words.

In pursuit of both, an enormous number of self-described “journalists” deliberately tied DeSantis’s use of “monkey this up”—which came attached to some praise for Gillum coupled with a warning that Gillum’s socialism would muck up Florida’s excellent economy—to the fact that Gillum is black, the obvious implication being that DeSantis believes that electing a black man as governor of Florida would “monkey this up” (whatever that means). But that is not what DeSantis said. It is not what DeSantis meant. And it is not what anyone really thinks he meant, either. It is a lie of the sort that is to be expected from explicitly political players, but not from those who believe they are Woodward and Bernstein in a firefighter’s hat. (Given his interest in “context collapse,” I’m sure that Ezra Klein is penning a defense of DeSantis for Vox as I type.)

Heat Miser wrote:And then there's this:

Florida GOP gubernatorial nominee was admin of racist Facebook group

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Sure he hope he doesn't drop a "sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade".

InTenSity wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:The full quote for those that still care - and you wonder why people hate the press.

"Florida elections are always competitive, and this is a guy who, although he’s much too liberal for Florida, I think he’s got huge problems with how he’s governed Tallahassee, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views, and he’s a charismatic candidate. I watched those Democrat debates, and none of that is my cup of tea, but he performed better than those other people there. So we’ve got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction, let’s build off the success we’ve had on Governor Scott, the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That’s not going to work."

Anyone that says he's calling Gillum a monkey is simply lying. Stupid for using the term? Yep. Why? Because other politicians and the press are always willing to twist words.

There are a thousand different ways you can describe something. A Harvard graduate should be more articulate than trying to sound like a southern hillbilly.
Why am I even trying

msugolfguy wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:And then there's this:

Florida GOP gubernatorial nominee was admin of racist Facebook group

Just remember the Democratic party founded the kkk. Things never change, the link to white nationalists and the GOP is a ruse the kkk really voted for Hillary.

Rocinante wrote:

Cameron wrote:I think it's entirely possible that this fellow simply chose his words poorly. That doesn't preclude him from also being racist, of course.

Isn't that ALWAYS the argument though?  At what point do we acknowledge this country's most enduring legacy and not give white people, especially those with a platform, the benefit of the doubt.  Everybody knows not to say the n word.  There's no excuse for using language that has been used in the past to dehumanize black people.  Come on... you know what's up.

Heat Miser wrote:

Cameron wrote:I think it's entirely possible that this fellow simply chose his words poorly. That doesn't preclude him from also being racist, of course.

An analysis I saw of his full comments also pointed out that:

1. He commented on how "articulate" Gillum was. We should all recognize this.
2. Said Gillum "performed" well in his debates.

From whitey's perspective, he did not choose his words poorly at all.

LooseGoose wrote:The full quote for those that still care - and you wonder why people hate the press.

"Florida elections are always competitive, and this is a guy who, although he’s much too liberal for Florida, I think he’s got huge problems with how he’s governed Tallahassee, he is an articulate spokesman for those far-left views, and he’s a charismatic candidate. I watched those Democrat debates, and none of that is my cup of tea, but he performed better than those other people there. So we’ve got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction, let’s build off the success we’ve had on Governor Scott, the last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That’s not going to work."

Anyone that says he's calling Gillum a monkey is simply lying.  Stupid for using the term?  Yep.   Why?   Because other politicians and the press are always willing to twist words.

In pursuit of both, an enormous number of self-described “journalists” deliberately tied DeSantis’s use of “monkey this up”—which came attached to some praise for Gillum coupled with a warning that Gillum’s socialism would muck up Florida’s excellent economy—to the fact that Gillum is black, the obvious implication being that DeSantis believes that electing a black man as governor of Florida would “monkey this up” (whatever that means). But that is not what DeSantis said. It is not what DeSantis meant. And it is not what anyone really thinks he meant, either. It is a lie of the sort that is to be expected from explicitly political players, but not from those who believe they are Woodward and Bernstein in a firefighter’s hat. (Given his interest in “context collapse,” I’m sure that Ezra Klein is penning a defense of DeSantis for Vox as I type.)

kingstonlake wrote:I've never even heard the term "monkey this up"....

So...

But honestly it's simple math. Do code words and wink wink stantements makes sense mathematically.

Will you gain more votes by saying it than you would lose. If he inspires 10 racists to get out and vote and loses 5 black voters.....I'm sure his campaign has run the numbers.

kingstonlake wrote:I've never even heard the term "monkey this up"....

So...

But honestly it's simple math. Do code words and wink wink stantements makes sense mathematically.

Will you gain more votes by saying it than you would lose. If he inspires 10 racists to get out and vote and loses 5 black voters.....I'm sure his campaign has run the numbers.