History Does Repeat Itself: Lessons from the Polio Vaccine

by **Heat Miser** Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:03 pm

I was wondering if tWingnut phenomenon happened when the polio vaccine came out. Sure enough...

History Does Repeat Itself: Lessons from the Polio Vaccine

It turned out, however, that the government had no plans for how to distribute the vaccine, despite knowing for two years that it was coming. The day after the Salk announcement, April 13, Oveta Culp Hobby, the first Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, went before Congress and disputed suggestions that the distribution should be regulated or managed by the federal government or that it should be compulsory.

Wonder how many kids needlessly got polio due these bumblefucks.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:03 pm

it's strangely comforting to know that stupidity has been a hallmark of America for sometime now.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:16 am

By the end of 2021, 69.9 percent of Michigan toddlers — 19 to 35 months — received their core series of vaccines. Michigan’s DTaP vaccine, which protects toddlers from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, was 72.6 percent in 2021 compared to the nation’s 87.2 percent in 2018; Michigan’s vaccine coverage for teens against meningococcal disease was 77.0 percent in 2021, compared to the nation’s 89.3 percent in 2018.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/one-little-girls-death-and-michigans-falling-childhood-vaccination-rates

Why are parents not protecting their children?

I totally don't get this.

by RQA Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:27 am

Trapper Gus wrote:By the end of 2021, 69.9 percent of Michigan toddlers — 19 to 35 months — received their core series of vaccines. Michigan’s DTaP vaccine, which protects toddlers from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, was 72.6 percent in 2021 compared to the nation’s 87.2 percent in 2018; Michigan’s vaccine coverage for teens against meningococcal disease was 77.0 percent in 2021, compared to the nation’s 89.3 percent in 2018.

A failure of leadership. Whitmer values optics over results.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:37 am

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:By the end of 2021, 69.9 percent of Michigan toddlers — 19 to 35 months — received their core series of vaccines. Michigan’s DTaP vaccine, which protects toddlers from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, was 72.6 percent in 2021 compared to the nation’s 87.2 percent in 2018; Michigan’s vaccine coverage for teens against meningococcal disease was 77.0 percent in 2021, compared to the nation’s 89.3 percent in 2018.

A failure of leadership. Whitmer values optics over results.

If it is a failure of leadership then the Republican Governor who was before Governor Whitmer is also at fault.

Before the pandemic, Michigan ranked 33rd among states in childhood vaccine rates, according to 2021 America’s Health Ranking by the United Health Foundation. That report was based on 2018 vaccination rates.

edit - And you RQA, as the proponent of "let the people chose" on the board, avoided the larger question. Why don't the parents protect these children?

by RQA Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:41 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:

If it is a failure of leadership then the Republican Governor who was before Governor Whitmer is also at fault.

Actually the rate of vaccination among Michigan school children improved substantially under Gov Snyder. The numbers you give suggest that has reversed under Whitmer.

by RQA Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:45 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:

edit - And you RQA, as the proponent of "let the people chose" on the board, avoided the larger question. Why don't the parents protect these children?

Liberal democrats (the Kennedy family) have been the vanguard of the anti-vax movement. I guess parents are wrongly listening to their misinformation.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:48 pm

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

edit - And you RQA, as the proponent of "let the people chose" on the board, avoided the larger question. Why don't the parents protect these children?

Liberal democrats (the Kennedy family) have been the vanguard of the anti-vax movement. I guess parents are wrongly listening to their misinformation.

Answer the question dude. Why don't the parents protect these children?

Surely you not claiming a looney-Toons anti-vexer has influence, or that people should care about what they say. If you did you would never, ever post links to the 5 column outlet that you often use.

by RQA Sat Feb 26, 2022 4:54 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:

Answer the question dude. Why don't the parents protect these children?

I literally just did!

My opinion is that parents have been listening to misinformation from the anti-vax movement that is being led by the prominent liberal democrat RFK, Jr.

If that answer doesn't suffice then you will have to find a parent of an unvaccinated child and ask them. I am not that person.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:07 pm

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Answer the question dude. Why don't the parents protect these children?

I literally just did!

My opinion is that parents have been listening to misinformation from the anti-vax movement that is being led by the prominent liberal democrat RFK, Jr.

If that answer doesn't suffice then you will have to find a parent of an unvaccinated child and ask them. I am not that person.

If that is the case, and judging by your tone, then all of RWNJ media, starting with Fox News, is also to blame.

So why do you not boycott Fox News?

btw I have heard that RFK jr is an anti-vaxer, but have never, ever seen anything from him on MSM, whereas people like your often post lies from Fox News on the subject, so I'm thinking he is not leading the effort as much as you believe.

by **GRR Spartan** Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:09 am

Trollin Trollin Trollin

Another day and more BB for the troll RQA.

by **Motown Spartan** Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:20 am

I guess it's comforting to know that there'll be less RQAs that make it to adulthood.

by **DWags** Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:04 am

Trapper Gus wrote:By the end of 2021, 69.9 percent of Michigan toddlers — 19 to 35 months — received their core series of vaccines. Michigan’s DTaP vaccine, which protects toddlers from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, was 72.6 percent in 2021 compared to the nation’s 87.2 percent in 2018; Michigan’s vaccine coverage for teens against meningococcal disease was 77.0 percent in 2021, compared to the nation’s 89.3 percent in 2018.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/one-little-girls-death-and-michigans-falling-childhood-vaccination-rates

Why are parents not protecting their children?

I totally don't get this.

Total guess at the 30.1 % not vaxed:

25% of them religious
25% of them contrarians just don’t want to be told what to do
25% legit worried they’re more harm than good (as a parent you sit in there and read the litterateur of what could happen and intellectually you know it’s one in a million but you’re scared)
25% of them just didn’t know they were supposed to do it.

Side note: I honestly think American is getting tired of the RQA’s of the world. Five years of them pointing complaining blaming “the other side” and their politics of hate. It’s going to be a while longer but maybe in five more years They will be such a small fringe that our country will not have to tolerate the venom of Fox News and the far left and right. I see Trumps numbers are dropping dramatically with uneducated white men and also evangelicals. His rallies I hear aren’t as well attended. While he wont go away, I think America is getting tired of his derision

by **Motown Spartan** Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:11 am

DWags wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:By the end of 2021, 69.9 percent of Michigan toddlers — 19 to 35 months — received their core series of vaccines. Michigan’s DTaP vaccine, which protects toddlers from diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, was 72.6 percent in 2021 compared to the nation’s 87.2 percent in 2018; Michigan’s vaccine coverage for teens against meningococcal disease was 77.0 percent in 2021, compared to the nation’s 89.3 percent in 2018.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/one-little-girls-death-and-michigans-falling-childhood-vaccination-rates

Why are parents not protecting their children?

I totally don't get this.

Total guess at the 30.1 % not vaxed:

25% of them religious
25% of them contrarians just don’t want to be told what to do
25% legit worried they’re more harm than good (as a parent you sit in there and read the litterateur of what could happen and intellectually you know it’s one in a million but you’re scared)
25% of them just didn’t know they were supposed to do it.

Side note: I honestly think American is getting tired of the RQA’s of the world. Five years of them pointing complaining blaming “the other side” and their politics of hate. It’s going to be a while longer but maybe in five more years They will be such a small fringe that our country will not have to tolerate the venom of Fox News and the far left and right. I see Trumps numbers are dropping dramatically with uneducated white men and also evangelicals. His rallies I hear aren’t as well attended. While he wont go away, I think America is getting tired of his derision

There's a good chance that Trump won't be alive in 5 years. Dude needs to mix in a salad every once in a while.

by RQA Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:04 am

Motown Spartan wrote:

There's a good chance that Trump won't be alive in 5 years. Dude needs to mix in a salad every once in a while.

Would be an interesting bet. Who will die first? Trump or Biden?

by **Trapper Gus** Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:27 am

RQA wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

There's a good chance that Trump won't be alive in 5 years. Dude needs to mix in a salad every once in a while.

Would be an interesting bet. Who will die first? Trump or Biden?

Well Trump has been brain dead for years, so there is that.

Clearly Biden is pretty sharp, having outmaneuvered the Republican hero's, Putin & Trump.

by RQA Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:37 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:

Clearly Biden is pretty sharp

Sharp? He probably thinks Russian missiles are liquid fueled like you do.

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by **Trapper Gus** Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:49 pm

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Clearly Biden is pretty sharp

Sharp? He probably thinks Russian missiles are liquid fueled like you do.

Well since they are, that means he is sharp...

by **Motown Spartan** Mon Feb 28, 2022 3:57 pm

RQA wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Clearly Biden is pretty sharp

Sharp? He probably thinks Russian missiles are liquid fueled like you do.

Um...they are...

At least the latest and greatest ones are.

by RQA Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:46 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:

Um...they are...

At least the latest and greatest ones are.

My God, please tell me that you are not as ignorant as Trapper. And even worse you are willing to prove it by posting stuff that is easily demonstrated as wrong. When people ask why the US elected an idiot like Biden I will direct them to your and Trappers posting history.

Kedr is a solid-fueled ICBM system that, like its Yars predecessor, will come in both mobile and silo-based variants.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russian-nuclear-modernization-new-icbms-hypersonics-are-arriving-196195[/quote]

by **Motown Spartan** Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pm

RQA wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

Um...they are...

At least the latest and greatest ones are.

My God, please tell me that you are not as ignorant as Trapper. And even worse you are willing to prove it by posting stuff that is easily demonstrated as wrong. When people ask why the US elected an idiot like Biden I will direct them to your and Trappers posting history.

Kedr is a solid-fueled ICBM system that, like its Yars predecessor, will come in both mobile and silo-based variants.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russian-nuclear-modernization-new-icbms-hypersonics-are-arriving-196195

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So every other source out there is wrong? And your source is a conservative op ed, by the way, and you link doesn't go anywhere. But the new Satan missiles are in fact liquid fueled.

by **Trapper Gus** Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:01 pm

Motown Spartan wrote:
RQA wrote:

Sharp? He probably thinks Russian missiles are liquid fueled like you do.

Um...they are...

At least the latest and greatest ones are.

Looks like RQA wants to die on the wrong hill once again.

As noted, Russia has both, the liquid fueled ones are silo based and are their latest deployment.

Also, just to stay on topic, RQA you thread hijacker,

When are you going to attack Fox News and all the right-wing conservative Christians as the reason that people are killing their children?

by RQA Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:19 am

Motown Spartan wrote: And your source is a conservative op ed

The information in my linked article is factual. Whether the piece is written by a conservative or liberal doesn't invalidate the factual information.

You are committing the logical fallacy of attacking the source.

Like your buddy Trapper you insist on posting information that is easily verifiable as wrong. Why is that? Laziness? Stupidity? Partisanship?

by **Trapper Gus** Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:26 am

RQA wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote: And your source is a conservative op ed

The information in my linked article is factual. Whether the piece is written by a conservative or liberal doesn't invalidate the factual information.

You are committing the logical fallacy of attacking the source.

Like your buddy Trapper you insist on posting information that is easily verifiable as wrong. Why is that? Laziness? Stupidity? Partisanship?

Dude, when are you going to stop listening to, reading, and watching RWNJ Media like Fox News which is causing people to kill their children, according to you?

Oh, and Russia does have liquid fueled missiles - try a search engine and more than one source.

by **Motown Spartan** Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:53 am

Just because Russia has SOME solid fuel nukes doesn't mean ALL are solid fuel.

They do have liquid fueled nukes. Why is this so hard to understand?

This is the last time I'll ever engage in a post with RQA because he supports treason and is a traitor to the USA.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:03 am

Motown Spartan wrote:Just because Russia has SOME solid fuel nukes doesn't mean ALL are solid fuel.

They do have liquid fueled nukes. Why is this so hard to understand?

This is the last time I'll ever engage in a post with RQA because he supports treason and is a traitor to the USA.

Looking at all the information I could find, including an unclassified Congressional Report on Russia's nuclear forces, it was unclear how many of the deployed missiles were liquid fueled.

They were replacing the liquid fueled ones with solid fuel ones in the silos but exactly how far that has progressed was unknown. Their latest missiles, for larger payloads, are liquid fueled and their deployment status is also unknown.

Trying to discuss anything with RQA is like talking to a wall, well really talking to a wall is better, as it doesn't tell lies.

by RQA Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:55 am

Motown Spartan wrote:Just because Russia has SOME solid fuel nukes doesn't mean ALL are solid fuel.

Here is the direct quote from Trapper:

"Russia's missiles are liquid fuel based; the US changed to solid fuel missiles with the Minuteman in the late 1960's / early 1970's because there is no fueling cycle before "pushing the button" thus saving 15 to 30 minutes."

He didn't say that some Russian missiles were liquid fueled, he said that Russian missiles "are liquid fuel based"

If either of you had any integrity you would say something to the effect of thanking me for providing more accurate information and move the discussion forward. But, no, that is not within your wheelhouse. Trapper, of course, just plows forward to his next lie. You would do better to find someone else to parrot.

by RQA Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:00 am

Motown Spartan wrote:This is the last tine I'll ever engage in a post with RQA because he supports treason and is a traitor to the USA.

So Motown doubles down on the personal attack.

You won't engage in a discussion with me again* because doing so exposes your ignorance and logical failures.

In that regard you fit perfectly with your board buddy Trapper.

(* oh, but he will History Does Repeat Itself: Lessons from the Polio Vaccine 502811600

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by **Trapper Gus** Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:05 am

RQA wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:Just because Russia has SOME solid fuel nukes doesn't mean ALL are solid fuel.

Here is the direct quote from Trapper:

"Russia's missiles are liquid fuel based; the US changed to solid fuel missiles with the Minuteman in the late 1960's / early 1970's because there is no fueling cycle before "pushing the button" thus saving 15 to 30 minutes."

He didn't say that some Russian missiles were liquid fueled, he said that Russian missiles "are liquid fuel based"

If either of you had any integrity you would say something to the effect of thanking me for providing more accurate information and move the discussion forward. But, no, that is not within your wheelhouse. Trapper, of course, just plows forward to his next lie. You would do better to find someone else to parrot.

Which I expanded on in a later post and discussed further is a still later post.

They appear to have a mix of solid fuel and liquid fuel missiles in silos.

Your brain has gone to mush watching all that baby killing RWNJ media like Fox.

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