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So cheatin' ol' Roy fucked us in 2005.

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Post by Guest 2014-10-23, 08:41

In October 2000, the NCAA Committee on Infractions handed Minnesota’s men’s basketball program a one-year postseason ban, reduced scholarships and vacated a Final Four appearance because a secretary for longtime coach Clem Haskins had written papers (with his knowledge) for at least 18 players over a five-year period. In its report, the committee described the violations as “among the most serious academic fraud violations to come before it in the past 20 years. The violations were significant, widespread and intentional. More than that, their nature — academic fraud — undermined the bedrock foundation of a university and the operation of its intercollegiate athletics program.”

On Wednesday, Kenneth L. Wainstein released the results of an independent investigation into academic fraud at the University of North Carolina so massive in scope that the word serious hardly does it justice. If three rogue employees and 18 cheating basketball players over a five-year period at Minnesota merited those strong words, what will the NCAA eventually say about a bogus-class scheme in Chapel Hill that Wainstein found to involve more than 3,100 students — 47.4 percent of them athletes — over 18 years?

This scandal touched all athletes, not just football and basketball, though Wainstein’s report says the “revenue sports” were the highest-represented. For example, 10 of the 15 members of Roy Williams’ 2005 national title team were AFAM majors. The report states Williams did not know of that department’s shadow curriculum but was “suspicious” enough about the clustering to instruct his hand-picked academic counselor, Wayne Walden, to make sure players were not being steered there.




http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/north-carolina-academic-scandal-wainstein-report-investigation-ncaa-102214
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Post by Blanch32 2014-10-23, 10:26

gHost Spartan wrote:Umm... I think cheatin' Roy fucked the Illini more than he fucked us since MSU lost to Illinois and Illini probably would have beaten us again in the championship game.

Agreed illinois deserves the title, but in a natty title game with a healthy Anderson makes a significant difference.

Regardless we need another home game against unc to show off our revised 2005 and 2009 banners
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Post by Guest 2014-10-23, 10:32

gHost Spartan wrote:Umm... I think cheatin' Roy fucked the Illini more than he fucked us since MSU lost to Illinois and Illini probably would have beaten us again in the championship game.

Except you're wrong. We lost to NC in the semi finals.

8:37 PM ET, April 2, 2005
Edward Jones Dome, St. Louis, Missouri
1 2 T
#5 MSU 38 33 71
#1 UNC 33 54 87

Top Performers
Michigan St: P. Davis 14 Pts, 15 Reb, 1 Ast, 3 Stl, 1 Blk
North Carolina: J. Williams 20 Pts, 8 Reb, 1 Blk


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Post by LoneWolfSparty 2014-10-23, 10:37

Not to be devils advocate, but doesn't the above exonerate Roy of wrong doing?!
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Post by Guest 2014-10-23, 13:46

LoneWolfSparty wrote:Not to be devils advocate, but doesn't the above exonerate Roy of wrong doing?!

How so? His players were kept eligible by these sham classes. He knew about it and did nothing to stop it.
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Post by LoneWolfSparty 2014-10-23, 14:02

"The report states Williams did not know of that department’s shadow curriculum but was “suspicious” enough about the clustering to instruct his hand-picked academic counselor, Wayne Walden, to make sure players were not being steered there."
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Post by Townie 2014-10-23, 14:20

LoneWolfSparty wrote:"The report states Williams did not know of that department’s shadow curriculum but was “suspicious” enough about the clustering to instruct his hand-picked academic counselor, Wayne Walden, to make sure players were not being steered there."
his role is highly suspicious, but his teams should vacate or forfeit all games where at least one eligible member of his team was in a sham class.
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Post by Guest 2014-10-23, 14:27

LoneWolfSparty wrote:"The report states Williams did not know of that department’s shadow curriculum but was “suspicious” enough about the clustering to instruct his hand-picked academic counselor, Wayne Walden, to make sure players were not being steered there."

Except that 10 of the 15 players on that 2005 team were MAJORS in AFAM.

So that line about not steering players there is pure bullshit. No way do you end with 67% of your team in the same major without steering.
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Post by LoneWolfSparty 2014-10-23, 14:29

Could be argued the majority of them were already in the program, or enrolled without his knowledge. Regardless, Townie makes the best point, whether or not he is culpable may not matter, if the player(s) are ineligible then something needs to be done.
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Post by beal99 2014-10-23, 14:32

north carolinaaaaaa

come get your grades up

take your shirt off

twist it round your hand

take a test without a proctor
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