Relocation/salary vs benefits/settled

by **InTenSity** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 11:00

Quick background story. I was recently contacted on Linkdin about a job. I followed up, thinking it might be a scam, but did homework beforehand and found out the headhunting company is legit. I found the company they were searching candidates for before they told me, so I decided to give them my resume and see what happens.

Today I interviewed with them on Skype, it was a little awkward, but whatever, went ok until the end, which was kind of clumsy and I have no idea what is going to happen from here. On paper I'm probably the most qualified, as I hit everything they're looking for in a candidate. I'm not sure if I'm exactly what they are looking for, but probably close enough and I understand how things work.

If I was offered the job it would probably be a 30-40% increase in salary from where I'm currently at, which is nice, cash is king. It sounds as if the matching on the 401k isn't as much, 25% instead of 50%, but they do match, I don't know up to what % though. I have a feeling that the health insurance isn't as good as what I've got, which is going to be a big part of my motivation. Vacation would only be 2 weeks, I forgot to ask about holidays. I get 4 weeks right now and I can carry a week over. I currently work about 40 hours a week, 8-5, they said it is about 55 hours a week and 5am to 3 or 4pm.

I own where I live now, my wife's family is nearby to help with the kids and for all the bad things in Miami, I do like living here, for the most part. I don't think there is any growth in the position I'm at though. I'm more of a person that has a job in able to live life, rather than a person that lives life to work.

by **Blanch32** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 11:02

55 hour weeks upfront isn't worth it. Neither is the drop in vaca.

by **steveschneider** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 11:05

Having that family near by seems invaluable with the three kids. The extra hours sounds bad to me too.

The extra 15 hours worked sounds like it would almost make it a lateral move with the salary increase.

What I'd do, is carefully try to leverage that opportunity for a raise at the current job.

Sounds like you have a great work life balance at the current gig and you might throw that off at the new gig.

by **InTenSity** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 11:34

Blanch32 wrote:55 hour weeks upfront isn't worth it. Neither is the drop in vaca.

Ya, that kind of scares me. Plus not having full weekends.

Having that family near by seems invaluable with the three kids. The extra hours sounds bad to me too.

The extra 15 hours worked sounds like it would almost make it a lateral move with the salary increase.

What I'd do, is carefully try to leverage that opportunity for a raise at the current job.

Sounds like you have a great work life balance at the current gig and you might throw that off at the new gig.

I think I do have the work/life balance thing down, for me, right now. I've sacrificed some salary because of it, but I'm ok with that. I want to enjoy watching my daughter and son grow up, I don't want to miss that. The health insurance is extremely important because of my son's condition. Unfortunately, my company is also known for letting people go, rather than renegotiate with them. There is only 1 person I know, that when they quit, were offered more money to stay. She had cajones too, no job lined up, and she told them to go pound sand. Her exit interview was close to 4 hours long, with the amount of grievances she had.

by **steveschneider** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 11:50

InTenSity wrote:
Ya, that kind of scares me. Plus not having full weekends.

I think I do have the work/life balance thing down, for me, right now. I've sacrificed some salary because of it, but I'm ok with that. I want to enjoy watching my daughter and son grow up, I don't want to miss that. The health insurance is extremely important because of my son's condition. Unfortunately, my company is also known for letting people go, rather than renegotiate with them. There is only 1 person I know, that when they quit, were offered more money to stay. She had cajones too, no job lined up, and she told them to go pound sand. Her exit interview was close to 4 hours long, with the amount of grievances she had.

Yeah, then I wouldn't leverage. The one thing is if you are going to go down that road you have to be ready to move to the knew gig.

Well it's always good to interview from time to time. Good to hear about opportunities and good to keep sharp at interviewing.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:41

Where does the relocation come in? I don't think I missed that part of it? Where is the opportunity?

by LoneWolfSparty Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:47

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by LoneWolfSparty Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:48

I would never accept their offer without countering for more vacation. A week might be worth the bump in salary but not two. If they won't go up to 3 then decline. Especially if they give you the "we don't negotiate on vacation time" line. EVERY company negotiates on vacation time which means they are lying which means GOODBYE.

by **InTenSity** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:49

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Where does the relocation come in? I don't think I missed that part of it? Where is the opportunity?

The company would pay relocation for me to move from Miami to Vegas and the salary is higher there. The opportunity would be a better salary in a lower cost of living situation.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:52

Ok, yeah, I didn't see a destination.

How much do your in laws help with your kids? There's your answer. They would have to pay me 4x what I'm currently making to move away from the help my inlaws provide.

by LoneWolfSparty Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:53

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Ok, yeah, I didn't see a destination.

How much do your in laws help with your kids? There's your answer. They would have to pay me 4x what I'm currently making to move away from the help my inlaws provide.

Wow, that is quite a statement. My inlaws would drive me up the freakin wall if they didn't live 1200 miles away..................

by **InTenSity** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 12:59

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Ok, yeah, I didn't see a destination.

How much do your in laws help with your kids? There's your answer. They would have to pay me 4x what I'm currently making to move away from the help my inlaws provide.

The inlaws are the nursery care. My wife works nights, 2 or 3 a week. Example, she worked last night, she needs to take my son to physical therapy on Tuesday and Thursday's, then drive 45 minutes to her brothers house, with both kids, then she sleeps for a few hours and goes to work. She comes back to her brothers house the next day and sleeps for a few hours before coming home. The inlaws play a pretty significant part, and we pay them to babysit. So If she works Thursday night, they have the kids for basically 2 days. Its impossible, with her schedule, for them to stay home and me to watch them.

by **steveschneider** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 13:00

Just me, but I wouldn't want to live in Vegas unless the offer was for my dream job or the money was too much to say no too.

by CheesySpartan Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 13:25

If you can leave your family behind in Miami I think I would seriously consider it...

by **Nordic** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 14:17

Unless you are looking for a change in scenery or want to get out of your current job, it doesn't sound like a good move to me. The pay increase is directly proportional to the work increase and benefits are less.

by **Dr. Strangelove** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 14:25

1. Get the relo in writing. You're looking at ten grand just for the move and that doesn't include shipping cars (and plane tickets for you) or driving them yourself across the country.

2. Ask for additional vacation time and get it in writing

3. With the raise and the reduced cost of living wife might be able to stay home or work just part time.

4. Do you have any support network in Nevada or west of the Rockies for that matter? That's what scared me off a move to Washington state.

by **Snake Plissken** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 14:43

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

4. Do you have any support network in Nevada or west of the Rockies for that matter? That's what scared me off a move to Washington state.

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by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:07

depends on various people's situations, etc - but money would be about the 5th or 6th thing I would concern myself with - flexibility, non-work days, contract language, holidays, work environment, location, etc would all be paramount in my mind.

And I realize that everyone is different - have different needs, circumstances, etc - but the factors I mentioned above cannot have a price attached to them as far as I'm concerned.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:08

oh - and I currently live about 700 miles away from the closest non-wife/daughter (sorry Forbin) family member.. which is a very good thing.. Relocation/salary vs benefits/settled 502811600

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by CheesySpartan Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:11

Robert J Sakimano wrote:oh - and I currently live about 700 miles away from the closest non-wife/daughter (sorry Forbin) family member.. which is a very good thing..

Now if you could only get that far away from the wife's dog you would be livin' my man.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:15

CheesySpartan wrote:

Now if you could only get that far away from the wife's dog you would be livin' my man.

so... you're saying you're interested in taking the dog? Wink

by CheesySpartan Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:26

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so... you're saying you're interested in taking the dog?

I'm only about 250 miles away Bob. That's not far enough to make sure that if the dog gets away it doesn't find its way back to your loving arms :)

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:29

InTenSity wrote:
The inlaws are the nursery care. My wife works nights, 2 or 3 a week. Example, she worked last night, she needs to take my son to physical therapy on Tuesday and Thursday's, then drive 45 minutes to her brothers house, with both kids, then she sleeps for a few hours and goes to work. She comes back to her brothers house the next day and sleeps for a few hours before coming home. The inlaws play a pretty significant part, and we pay them to babysit. So If she works Thursday night, they have the kids for basically 2 days. Its impossible, with her schedule, for them to stay home and me to watch them.

Yeah, then no. You can't do it unless the salary increase is enough to make up for what your wife brings home and she wants to become a stay home mom. Even a daycare probably wouldn't be flexible enough with the type of schedules your wife keeps to work.

You would also have to factor in daycare costs, as I'm sure it's over and above what you pay your inlaws.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 15:31

CheesySpartan wrote:

I'm only about 250 miles away Bob. That's not far enough to make sure that if the dog gets away it doesn't find its way back to your loving arms :)

yeah I've heard horror stories about them finding their way back home..

by Marc Summers Fri 9 Jan 2015 - 17:37

How old are you? Frankly, the reason I say take it is because of the shaky nature of your current job. 55 hours per week isn't great, but it sounds like you get off early enough where it won't be as much of an issue.

Negotiate an extra week of vacation and take the new gig. When you're not struggling to pay for your kids college, in 15 years you'll thank yourself.

by **MiamiSpartan** Sat 10 Jan 2015 - 9:14

That would be a long way to come to watch games at the Sandbar. But at least you would be within driving distance of future Rose Bowls.

If it would allow your wife to stay at home with the kids (if she would want that) then that's a plus. But the cost of daycare plus not knowing the daycare, would be tough. Having my MIL close by is a real blessing.

I think to make that big of a move/change it needs to be a no brainer for both you and the wife. If you're on the fence, it is a big risk. I would hope they would also fly both of you out there to see the place in person, get a feel for residential neighborhoods, etc. You want to be comfortable with where you're going.

by Green Note Sat 10 Jan 2015 - 16:10

37.5% increase in hours.
30-40% increase in salary.

no benefit there.

lose two weeks vaca

lose 401k halved

It seems like a step back unless it is some kind of springboard to the next job, but you would be purchasing it

by **xsanguine** Sun 11 Jan 2015 - 0:41

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

yeah I've heard horror stories about them finding their way back home..

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