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If a polite society is an armed society, is a polite world one where all states have nukes?

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Post by Turtleneck Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:12 am

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2016/0613/Nuclear-capable-nations-are-growing-their-weapon-systems-report-finds
Nuclear-capable nations are growing their weapon systems, report finds

The authors of the new SIPRI study agree that the effects of proliferation may never be turned back, noting that despite the numeric decrease in warheads, all nine nuclear powers are "either developing or deploying new weapon systems or have announced their intention to do so." SIPRI estimated that the US alone plans to spend up to $1 trillion on "nuclear weapon modernization" over the next three decades, "in stark contrast to" Obama’s earlier pledges to commit to arms reduction, according to SIPRI associate senior fellow and study co-author Hans Kristensen.

"Despite the ongoing reduction in the number of weapons, the prospects for genuine progress towards nuclear disarmament remain gloomy," SIPRI Nuclear Weapons Project head and study co-author Shannon Kile said in an institute release. "All the nuclear weapon-possessing states continue to prioritize nuclear deterrence as the cornerstone of their national security strategies."

Nuclear-capable states want to maintain their arsenal while preventing non-nuclear states from gaining such a capability. Is this the wrong logic? If the best deterrent from violent crime in society is an armed society, maybe the best deterrent to war between states is nuclear weapons. Example: Pakistan and India. Both have nukes. This actually prevents war. If one had nukes and the other did not, the one with nukes could be far more aggressive. So....let everybody have nukes!
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Post by Rocinante Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:25 am

What they mean by "polite" is that everybody is worried that if they fuck off somebody will shoot them. So is forced "politeness" through the threat of gun violence really politeness?

I know you know that, but... well... whatever.
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:27 am

I hope I'm dead and buried before Pakistan "loses" a few nukes and they end up irreversibly fucking up the planet.
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Post by Turtleneck Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:28 am

Rocinante wrote:What they mean by "polite" is that everybody is worried that if they fuck off somebody will shoot them. So is forced "politeness" through the threat of gun violence really politeness?

I know you know that, but... well... whatever.

That's an interesting point, Roc. But can we still let all of the countries in the world have nukes? Forced politeness between countries is a bit different than forced politeness between individuals in society.
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Post by Turtleneck Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:30 am

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:I hope I'm dead and buried before Pakistan "loses" a few nukes and they end up irreversibly fucking up the planet.

Legitimate concern. From the outside, that country does not appear to be stable. I often wonder just how secure their stockpile is relative to other nuclear states. Instability + nukes = does not end well.
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Post by Rocinante Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:08 am

Turtleneck wrote:
Rocinante wrote:What they mean by "polite" is that everybody is worried that if they fuck off somebody will shoot them. So is forced "politeness" through the threat of gun violence really politeness?

I know you know that, but... well... whatever.

That's an interesting point, Roc. But can we still let all of the countries in the world have nukes? Forced politeness between countries is a bit different than forced politeness between individuals in society.

It's your fucking analogy asshole.

And sure, why not? What could go wrong?
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Post by Guest Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:35 pm

Interesting Maher segment here.....worth the listen.

Maher: Lots of Liberals Talking About Guns ‘Don’t Know Sh*t About Guns’
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Post by DWags Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:46 pm

Fuck. Dulles, Eisenhower, massive retaliation. Old theory.
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