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More NCAA idiocy - Oakland U involved
After serving in war zones, Army veteran ruled ineligible to play in college by NCAA
So he started taking online college courses while he was still serving. He took two classes and got a B in both. He was discharged from the Army this past April. He enrolled at Oakland in June. He took two summer classes. He got an A in one and a B in the other. He's now on Oakland's student-athlete advisory committee. He's been mentoring and even tutoring younger athletes.
And the NCAA just ruled him ineligible.
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Isaiah Brock graduated in 2011 from Forest Park High in Baltimore, which is the same school from which the 39th Vice President of the United States, Spiro Agnew, graduated many years earlier. Film director Barry Levinson, too. But Forest Park has more recently become less of a launching pad for greatness. According to U.S. News and World Report, only 70 percent of its students graduate, and just 6 percent meet the standard of "college readiness." In other words, even if you're a good student relative to your surroundings, odds are you won't have the proper credentials to meet NCAA freshman eligibility requirements once you graduate from Forest Park.
Such was the case for Isaiah Brock.
"They weren't focused on college preparedness as a high school," said Oakland athletic director Jeff Konya. "So Isaiah was technically a non-qualifier."
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If he was not a veteran would he have been declared eligible? Just asking.
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granting him eligibility simply because he was in the Army is overly arbitrary and unfair to potential students in similar situations who may not have served in the military. I suspect that Oakland University (and other institutions), along with the NCAA, have policies in place where waivers can be granted based on a number of post-high school factors, regardless of the individuals circumstance, military, peace corps, or otherwise.
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I think after ww2 we had a lot of guys in their late 20's playing football
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:granting him eligibility simply because he was in the Army is overly arbitrary and unfair to potential students in similar situations who may not have served in the military. I suspect that Oakland University (and other institutions), along with the NCAA, have policies in place where waivers can be granted based on a number of post-high school factors, regardless of the individuals circumstance, military, peace corps, or otherwise.
I will not pretend to know how this works. However, it sounds like there is a process. That process values test scores and high school transcripts. He has a qualifying test score but not qualifying transcripts.
I wonder if they even looked at anything else? Is it possible the NCAA simply applied the standard evaluation to his eligibility packet, and upon appeal will treat it on a more case-by-case basis and include his post-high school credits in the evaluation?
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I suspect that there is something in place where individuals can assemble experiential learning portfolios or other documentation that outlines the acquisition of knowledge through a more active, participatory method that can be considered. Maybe even through CLEP (college level examination program) testing..Turtleneck wrote:Robert J Sakimano wrote:granting him eligibility simply because he was in the Army is overly arbitrary and unfair to potential students in similar situations who may not have served in the military. I suspect that Oakland University (and other institutions), along with the NCAA, have policies in place where waivers can be granted based on a number of post-high school factors, regardless of the individuals circumstance, military, peace corps, or otherwise.
I will not pretend to know how this works. However, it sounds like there is a process. That process values test scores and high school transcripts. He has a qualifying test score but not qualifying transcripts.
I wonder if they even looked at anything else? Is it possible the NCAA simply applied the standard evaluation to his eligibility packet, and upon appeal will treat it on a more case-by-case basis and include his post-high school credits in the evaluation?
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On the other hand the NCAA is a corrupt organization that has outlived whatever possible usefulness it was supposed to provide. No doubt the college included his veteran status in support of this eligibility and that the NCAA should have responded with an explanation of why that part of it did not aide in his approval. Or maybe the NCAA did give and explanation of the merits of his veteran status, fully explained what role it played, and this part of the story was never revealed for the public. Maybe there are college rules that forbid releasing certain private information of the student. There is very little information for anyone on the outside to fairly evaluate this situation, but there is plenty for all the hot buttons issues to rear their ugly heads.
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Why do all the colleges even allow the NCAA to govern them? The collective universities are the sole purpose that the NCAA exists and those people make money. If we're allowing 6th year players, if we want to accept people into our university who have scored a 17 on the ACT or an 850 on the SAT, why do we even have to clear them through the clearinghouse? We don't give a rats ass if they graduate. The kids playing are basically professional. If they do qualify as regular students and if they do get an education, bonus for them.
Simple rule. Make it that you have four years to play college sports. That's it. We don't care about your grades, your academic progress or lack there of. Here are your four years, no redshirt, no 6th year exemption no graduate in three or four and get a fifth year at another place. Four. Here's a seperate dorm. If you want to join the general population and get an education, we'll let you do that, and god bless. If not, we only want you here to win football games and try to make the NFL.
Fuck it, lets call it like it is.
Simple rule. Make it that you have four years to play college sports. That's it. We don't care about your grades, your academic progress or lack there of. Here are your four years, no redshirt, no 6th year exemption no graduate in three or four and get a fifth year at another place. Four. Here's a seperate dorm. If you want to join the general population and get an education, we'll let you do that, and god bless. If not, we only want you here to win football games and try to make the NFL.
Fuck it, lets call it like it is.
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DWags wrote:Why do all the colleges even allow the NCAA to govern them? The collective universities are the sole purpose that the NCAA exists and those people make money. If we're allowing 6th year players, if we want to accept people into our university who have scored a 17 on the ACT or an 850 on the SAT, why do we even have to clear them through the clearinghouse? We don't give a rats ass if they graduate. The kids playing are basically professional. If they do qualify as regular students and if they do get an education, bonus for them.
Simple rule. Make it that you have four years to play college sports. That's it. We don't care about your grades, your academic progress or lack there of. Here are your four years, no redshirt, no 6th year exemption no graduate in three or four and get a fifth year at another place. Four. Here's a seperate dorm. If you want to join the general population and get an education, we'll let you do that, and god bless. If not, we only want you here to win football games and try to make the NFL.
Fuck it, lets call it like it is.
Except that is not "like it is". I won't look up the statistics but it is well know very few scholarships players make a professional paycheck. So to begin with your premise that student athletes are there to make it to the NFL is just bullshith. You should start over with a more factual approach to this issue.
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Bob works for the NCAA?!?
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I think colleges and universities like to at least pretend that their is an element of scholarly alliance with student athletics - even when we all know there isn't. I think it's important to the NCAA to maintain the facade.DWags wrote:Why do all the colleges even allow the NCAA to govern them? The collective universities are the sole purpose that the NCAA exists and those people make money. If we're allowing 6th year players, if we want to accept people into our university who have scored a 17 on the ACT or an 850 on the SAT, why do we even have to clear them through the clearinghouse? We don't give a rats ass if they graduate. The kids playing are basically professional. If they do qualify as regular students and if they do get an education, bonus for them.
Simple rule. Make it that you have four years to play college sports. That's it. We don't care about your grades, your academic progress or lack there of. Here are your four years, no redshirt, no 6th year exemption no graduate in three or four and get a fifth year at another place. Four. Here's a seperate dorm. If you want to join the general population and get an education, we'll let you do that, and god bless. If not, we only want you here to win football games and try to make the NFL.
Fuck it, lets call it like it is.
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well.. when I'm not working as fry cook at the EL two story McDonald's, I moonlight as an eligibility official for the NCAA.InTenSity wrote:Bob works for the NCAA?!?
at least one of my jobs is grounded in integrity.
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BleacherSwill wrote:DWags wrote:Why do all the colleges even allow the NCAA to govern them? The collective universities are the sole purpose that the NCAA exists and those people make money. If we're allowing 6th year players, if we want to accept people into our university who have scored a 17 on the ACT or an 850 on the SAT, why do we even have to clear them through the clearinghouse? We don't give a rats ass if they graduate. The kids playing are basically professional. If they do qualify as regular students and if they do get an education, bonus for them.
Simple rule. Make it that you have four years to play college sports. That's it. We don't care about your grades, your academic progress or lack there of. Here are your four years, no redshirt, no 6th year exemption no graduate in three or four and get a fifth year at another place. Four. Here's a seperate dorm. If you want to join the general population and get an education, we'll let you do that, and god bless. If not, we only want you here to win football games and try to make the NFL.
Fuck it, lets call it like it is.
Except that is not "like it is". I won't look up the statistics but it is well know very few scholarships players make a professional paycheck. So to begin with your premise that student athletes are there to make it to the NFL is just bullshith. You should start over with a more factual approach to this issue.
Hmmm did I say make it?
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Gary Parrish @GaryParrishCBS 4m4 minutes ago
The NCAA has made Oakland’s Isaiah Brock eligible immediately. Here’s my story on him from earlier this month:
The NCAA has made Oakland’s Isaiah Brock eligible immediately. Here’s my story on him from earlier this month:
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Holy shit, did the NCAA do the right thing?
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Alright, so you're saying Delvon Roe can dress for the game on his Senior Night?
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Alright, so you're saying Delvon Roe can dress for the game on his Senior Night?
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Since we don't have a game thread yet.
Matt Charboneau @mattcharboneau 33m33 minutes ago
Tom Izzo says on pregame that Nick Ward, Cassius Winston, Joshua Langford all starting vs Oakland
Matt Charboneau @mattcharboneau 33m33 minutes ago
Tom Izzo says on pregame that Nick Ward, Cassius Winston, Joshua Langford all starting vs Oakland
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Aherns for three
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