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Post by Guest Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:55 pm

7 Things Liberals Should Learn From This Election But Won't

2) Smearing People As Racists Has Consequences: A big part of Barack Obama’s initial appeal to many of the Americans who voted for him in 2008 was the unspoken promise that he’d lead us into a post-racial era. How racist could America be if we had a black President, right? Unfortunately, Obama and his allies on the Left took us in exactly the opposite direction. Day in and day out, any white person who didn’t toe the liberal line was called a racist and falsely accused of having white privilege. Anyone who complained about it was told in so many words, “You’re white; so shut up.” Meanwhile, the clear majority of people being called racists didn’t agree with that assessment. They seethed; they got angry about it and many of them got their revenge by voting for Donald Trump.
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Post by NigelUno Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:02 pm

LooseGoose wrote:7 Things Liberals Should Learn From This Election But Won't

2) Smearing People As Racists Has Consequences: A big part of Barack Obama’s initial appeal to many of the Americans who voted for him in 2008 was the unspoken promise that he’d lead us into a post-racial era. How racist could America be if we had a black President, right? Unfortunately, Obama and his allies on the Left took us in exactly the opposite direction. Day in and day out, any white person who didn’t toe the liberal line was called a racist and falsely accused of having white privilege. Anyone who complained about it was told in so many words, “You’re white; so shut up.” Meanwhile, the clear majority of people being called racists didn’t agree with that assessment. They seethed; they got angry about it and many of them got their revenge by voting for Donald Trump.

Fake quotes always crack me up.
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Post by Death Roe Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:03 pm

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Never contributing any discussion, just being a dumbass.
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Post by NigelUno Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:10 pm

Death Roe wrote:Nigel: Internet Police Officer

Never contributing any discussion, just being a dumbass.

Goose and DeathRoe: Scouring the internet for answers!

Good work guys! Keep it up! Just an FYI...Bob's not here on weekends.

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Post by xsanguine Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:54 pm

Hey Nigel

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Post by DWags Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:31 pm

LooseGoose wrote:7 Things Liberals Should Learn From This Election But Won't

2) Smearing People As Racists Has Consequences: A big part of Barack Obama’s initial appeal to many of the Americans who voted for him in 2008 was the unspoken promise that he’d lead us into a post-racial era. How racist could America be if we had a black President, right? Unfortunately, Obama and his allies on the Left took us in exactly the opposite direction. Day in and day out, any white person who didn’t toe the liberal line was called a racist and falsely accused of having white privilege. Anyone who complained about it was told in so many words, “You’re white; so shut up.” Meanwhile, the clear majority of people being called racists didn’t agree with that assessment. They seethed; they got angry about it and many of them got their revenge by voting for Donald Trump.

So, that map that showed how red America was in all those small towns in all those miles of rural area, in all those Lilly white farming communities, people were somehow going to local diners or schools and some how calling them racists??? Telling them to tie the line at Levi's buckhorn saloon? Going into the five and dime and checking white privilege? I swear I never felt that way once in the last 8 years and I'm sorry that you went through that. It sucks.
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Post by NigelUno Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:49 pm

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LooseGoose wrote:7 Things Liberals Should Learn From This Election But Won't


So, that map that showed how red America was in all those small towns in all those miles of rural area, in all those Lilly white farming communities, people were somehow going to local diners or schools and some how calling them racists??? Telling them to tie the line at Levi's buckhorn saloon? Going into the five and dime and checking white privilege? I swear I never felt that way once in the last 8 years and I'm sorry that you went through that. It sucks.

Speculation and made up quotes seem to be Goose's specialty today.
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Post by DWags Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:55 pm

NigelUno wrote:
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So, that map that showed how red America was in all those small towns in all those miles of rural area, in all those Lilly white farming communities, people were somehow going to local diners or schools and some how calling them racists??? Telling them to tie the line at Levi's buckhorn saloon? Going into the five and dime and checking white privilege? I swear I never felt that way once in the last 8 years and I'm sorry that you went through that. It sucks.

Speculation and made up quotes seem to be Goose's specialty today.

I don't follow the logic of how they were called racists by fellow rural dwellers? If that was so, did all the people calling them racist day after day not go to the polls there?
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Post by NigelUno Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:04 pm

DWags wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Speculation and made up quotes seem to be Goose's specialty today.

I don't follow the logic of how they were called racists by fellow rural dwellers? If that was so, did all the people calling them racist day after day not go to the polls there?

He's trying to tie it into what Bob says about Trump supporters (and failing miserably). He's scouring the internet for any little nugget to poke at Bob and make crazy, broad generalizations with made up quotes.

Goose has become very angry. Not sure what about. I think he's ecstatic Hillary didn't win, but he called Trump an asshole (something which seems he's trying to back away from).
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Post by DWags Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:16 pm

NigelUno wrote:
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I don't follow the logic of how they were called racists by fellow rural dwellers? If that was so, did all the people calling them racist day after day not go to the polls there?

He's trying to tie it into what Bob says about Trump supporters (and failing miserably). He's scouring the internet for any little nugget to poke at Bob and make crazy, broad generalizations with made up quotes.

Goose has become very angry. Not sure what about. I think he's ecstatic Hillary didn't win, but he called Trump an asshole (something which seems he's trying to back away from).

They're both very smart people. If they're throwing these out there imagine what my FB feed was like with a ton of dumbass liberal and conservative friends. I quit Facebook. Couldn't stand it.
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Post by GRR Spartan Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:45 pm

Trump is an asshole who embraced support regardless where it came from. He never denounced anything any of his supporters said about HRC or her supporters. He still doesn't and his answer is "We won".

If his 13,000 votes to win MI came from militia groups or white nationalist or Tea Party Trump didn't care and he knew full well he needed those voters to win in places like FL, MI, PA and WI.

There is no way Trump will be able to make good on his promises to bring back jobs to places like Greenville, MI or Grove City PA or Kenosha WI not even Wyoming MI where there are empty lots or small buildings housing specialty distribution taking the place of factories.

But Trump told them those things to get votes just like he said things to get approvals for his casinos or developments. Things like bragging about the size of the Gary IN casino (since sold) that was 35% of the promised footprint or telling the NJ governor and officials he wouldn't use junk bonds to finance the Taj Mahal (since sold) and then he did.

I think Trump won because Clinton's campaign got lazy and didn't engage the urban counties that Obama won to get the same turnout Obama got in '12. Too many of them sat around thinking of their post election jobs that go to the staffers instead of getting off their asses, connecting registering and taking people to vote or turn in their absentee ballots.

All Clinton's campaign had to do is match Obama's '12 turnout numbers and she would have gotten to 270 with MI, PA and WI urban counties.

I buy into the poor me, I'm abused and forgotten stories. Take away the WIC cards their unmarried daughters get and reduce the services they get for the drugs that are still running wild with meth, opiates and now heroin and see where they will be.

Part of me hopes Paul Ryan and his followers get their way and I'll be seeing even more of the small town folks who voted for Trump and get government assistance of some kind wonder what the hell has happened when their grandchild's Pell Grant vaporizes and their kids have to move because those jobs that went away in the Reagan and Bush1 administrations really aren't coming back.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:33 am

NigelUno wrote:Goose has become very angry. Not sure what about. I think he's ecstatic Hillary didn't win, but he called Trump an asshole (something which seems he's trying to back away from).

Yeah I'm angry as hell.

pffffffffffffft.


Good thing I'm not backing away from calling others assholes.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:36 am

I think one reason might be that there has been a Clinton or a Bush running for President in every election since 1980 with the sole exception being '12 when Obama was running for re-election.

People are tired of Bushes and Clintons.
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Post by Guest Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:05 pm

Blaire White ‏@MsBlaireWhite  Nov 15
We must fight our horrible sexist president by referring to our young daughters as vaginas

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Post by Robert J Sakimano Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:07 pm

I'd hate for someone to have their own opinion on a particular situation. That would be tragic.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:09 pm

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:

I don't follow the logic of how they were called racists by fellow rural dwellers? If that was so, did all the people calling them racist day after day not go to the polls there?

He's trying to tie it into what Bob says about Trump supporters (and failing miserably). He's scouring the internet for any little nugget to poke at Bob and make crazy, broad generalizations with made up quotes.

Goose has become very angry. Not sure what about. I think he's ecstatic Hillary didn't win, but he called Trump an asshole (something which seems he's trying to back away from).
I hate when people have opinions.

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Post by Robert J Sakimano Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:10 pm

it's also funny how it's Obama's fault that America is divided by race.. when the President-elect was the one leading the charge about him being born in Kenya...

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Post by steveschneider Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:41 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump is an asshole who embraced support regardless where it came from. He never denounced anything any of his supporters said about HRC or her supporters. He still doesn't and his answer is "We won".

If his 13,000 votes to win MI came from militia groups or white nationalist or Tea Party Trump didn't care and he knew full well he needed those voters to win in places like FL, MI, PA and WI.

There is no way Trump will be able to make good on his promises to bring back jobs to places like Greenville, MI or Grove City PA or Kenosha WI not even Wyoming MI where there are empty lots or small buildings housing specialty distribution taking the place of factories.

But Trump told them those things to get votes just like he said things to get approvals for his casinos or developments. Things like bragging about the size of the Gary IN casino (since sold) that was 35% of the promised footprint or telling the NJ governor and officials he wouldn't use junk bonds to finance the Taj Mahal (since sold) and then he did.

I think Trump won because Clinton's campaign got lazy and didn't engage the urban counties that Obama won to get the same turnout Obama got in '12. Too many of them sat around thinking of their post election jobs that go to the staffers instead of getting off their asses, connecting registering and taking people to vote or turn in their absentee ballots.

All Clinton's campaign had to do is match Obama's '12 turnout numbers and she would have gotten to 270 with MI, PA and WI urban counties.

I buy into the poor me, I'm abused and forgotten stories. Take away the WIC cards their unmarried daughters get and reduce the services they get for the drugs that are still running wild with meth, opiates and now heroin and see where they will be.

Part of me hopes Paul Ryan and his followers get their way and I'll be seeing even more of the small town folks who voted for Trump and get government assistance of some kind wonder what the hell has happened when their grandchild's Pell Grant vaporizes and their kids have to move because those jobs that went away in the Reagan and Bush1 administrations really aren't coming back.

Pretty good article that sums up the rust belt and hits upon some of the points in your post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/09/the-rust-belt-was-turning-red-already-donald-trump-just-pushed-it-along/?utm_term=.ee9fc97038f6

There's also this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/11/11/daily-202-the-reagan-democrats-are-no-longer-democrats-will-they-ever-be-again/58252889e9b69b6085905df0/?outputType=accessibility&nid=menu_nav_accessibilityforscreenreader

-- Bill Clinton repeatedly pressed his wife’s strategists to do more, but his ideas were dismissed as outdated. From Politico’s Annie Karni: “Some began pointing fingers at the young campaign manager, Robby Mook, who spearheaded a strategy supported by the senior campaign team that included only limited outreach to those voters — a theory of the case that Bill Clinton had railed against for months, wondering aloud at meetings why the campaign was not making more of an attempt to even ask that population for its votes. … Bill’s [position] was often dismissed with a hand wave by senior members of the team as a personal vendetta to win back the voters who elected him, from a talented but aging politician who simply refused to accept the new Democratic map. At a meeting ahead of the convention at which aides presented to both Clintons the ‘Stronger Together’ framework for the general election, senior strategist Joel Benenson told the former president bluntly that the voters from West Virginia were never coming back to his party."

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Post by Blanch32 Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:42 pm

LooseGoose wrote:Blaire White ‏@MsBlaireWhite  Nov 15
We must fight our horrible sexist president by referring to our young daughters as vaginas

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this our blair white the WR? smh
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Post by xsanguine Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:04 pm

LooseGoose wrote:Blaire White ‏@MsBlaireWhite  Nov 15
We must fight our horrible sexist president by referring to our young daughters as vaginas

Good thing this never happens here. CxW0PH8VQAARiJe

To be fair, many of them determine their own value by this. Others aren't worth the vaginas they spawned from.
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Post by Rocinante Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:42 pm

FUCKING LIBERALS!
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:44 pm

It's pathetic when you morans on either side of the fence use random morans on social media as a point.
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Post by Death Roe Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:46 pm

GRR said that people who are beaten up for supporting Trump deserve it, so I don't give a fuck about his opinions anymore.

What a terrible thing to say.
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Post by Cameron Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:15 pm

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LooseGoose wrote:Blaire White ‏@MsBlaireWhite  Nov 15
We must fight our horrible sexist president by referring to our young daughters as vaginas

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this our blair white the WR? smh

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Cameron wrote:
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this our blair white the WR? smh

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Post by GRR Spartan Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:09 pm

Probably should not plan on opening an office in Northern MI soon
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Post by Floyd Robertson Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:25 pm

Based on the things Trump has said, he'd probably be against those specific vaginas anyway.
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Post by GRR Spartan Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:28 pm

Death Roe wrote:GRR said that people who are beaten up for supporting Trump deserve it, so I don't give a fuck about his opinions anymore.

What a terrible thing to say.
Death Roe wrote:GRR said that people who are beaten up for supporting Trump deserve it, so I don't give a fuck about his opinions anymore.

What a terrible thing to say.

Not what I said but spread lies just like your new hero who was elected upon a foundation of them.

I said we shouldn't be surprised when people who were vilified as a group start acting out just like those on the other side of issues.

Trump ran a campaign that took advantage of the racial divide and we shouldn't be surprised when some act out. The guy being beaten up by two black folks because of his support for Trump is no different than the Somali women who was punched in the face at a New England Applebee location by some guy who told her to go home to Africa. Except she was born in the US.

You want to be the perpetual victim Death Roe, be my guest but its a hell of a way to live. There are white supremacists being interviewed who are saying they finally have a voice with Trump being elected.

Breitbart has pandered to them. The Trump campaign sought their votes. Elections have consequences. The protests and violence is a result of tenor of Trump's campaign.

He went out of his way to demonize his opponent and never told his crowds to stop Lock Her Up chants at his rallies. He offered to pay legal expenses for the guy who punched out a protestor at one of his NC rallies.

We are in a new political world where We won so shut up rules the day even on Trumps initial advisor team.
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