Mulvaney: "We Can't Ask a Coal Miner to Pay for Public Broadcasting"...

yeah.. because they're just a bunch of toothless idiots living in Kentucky and West Virginia who have no interest in what's going on in the world..

Caution: Mainstream Media Article

But we can ask the coal miners to pay for more of their own health care? Sound logic.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:But we can ask the coal miners to pay for more of their own health care? Sound logic.

What a horrible concept. People actually paying for themselves. We MUST eradicate that.

LooseGoose wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:But we can ask the coal miners to pay for more of their own health care? Sound logic.

What a horrible concept. People actually paying for themselves. We MUST eradicate that.

good point.

I've never needed the national guard.. or the military.. or an ambulance.. or the police. So I think I shouldn't have to pay for them.

LooseGoose wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:But we can ask the coal miners to pay for more of their own health care? Sound logic.

What a horrible concept. People actually paying for themselves. We MUST eradicate that.

Don't worry Goose it will be eradicated when all of the poor people are dead because they can't afford to get sick.

Shit I make more than 75% of households but cancer would probably still bankrupt me.

LooseGoose wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:But we can ask the coal miners to pay for more of their own health care? Sound logic.

What a horrible concept. People actually paying for themselves. We MUST eradicate that.

Jesus, how about wanting to help those who can't and not wall street or 54 billion for military? It might be socialistic to you, but it just seems like the Christian thing to do for me. But, I'm not a good christian like you are I guess. I don't know what's acceptable.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

What a horrible concept. People actually paying for themselves. We MUST eradicate that.

good point.

I've never needed the national guard.. or the military.. or an ambulance.. or the police. So I think I shouldn't have to pay for them.

Ala cart destinations for our taxes, nice. Where the people really want to spend money! If you want your department to get some cash, well, make sure it's running smoothly and you're pleasing the people in america.

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

What a horrible concept. People actually paying for themselves. We MUST eradicate that.

Jesus, how about wanting to help those who can't and not wall street or 54 billion for military? It might be socialistic to you, but it just seems like the Christian thing to do for me. But, I'm not a good christian like you are I guess. I don't know what's acceptable.

I'm not interested in my taxes helping people have access to affordable healthcare..

but I am all for my taxes being used to build a wall along the United States/Mexico border.

sincerely,

christians

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:good point.

I've never needed the national guard.. or the military.. or an ambulance.. or the police. So I think I shouldn't have to pay for them.

Ala cart destinations for our taxes, nice. Where the people really want to spend money! If you want your department to get some cash, well, make sure it's running smoothly and you're pleasing the people in america.

oh, I know.. but I love the narrow-minded selfishness of "well, my kids are grown and out of the house.. so why should I have to help fund public schools"?

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

What a horrible concept.  People actually paying for themselves.   We MUST eradicate that.

Jesus, how about wanting to help those who can't and not wall street or 54 billion for military?    It might be socialistic to you, but it just seems like the Christian thing to do for me.   But, I'm not a good christian like you are I guess.  I don't know what's acceptable.  

Just to be clear, are you implying that PBS and NE for the Arts are among those who can't help themselves?
I personally don't see either of those as functions of the government-on any level, maybe you had an argument 40 years ago, but not today.

I.B. Fine wrote:

DWags wrote:

Jesus, how about wanting to help those who can't and not wall street or 54 billion for military?    It might be socialistic to you, but it just seems like the Christian thing to do for me.   But, I'm not a good christian like you are I guess.  I don't know what's acceptable.  

Just to be clear, are you implying that PBS and NE for the Arts are among those who can't help themselves?
I personally don't see either of those as functions of the government-on any level, maybe you had an argument 40 years ago, but not today.

When Winston Churchill was asked about not cutting arts when England was fighting wars he answered , "then what are we fighting for?"

It's a value system we all have. I can't convince you it's important to fund art vs war machines you can't convince me another 10% military increase is more important. Your side won. We can't do much about it for a while. Funding art and artists will always be important to me. If you guys want to complain about graft and corruption being part of the problem in the food/arts area I hope you're as zealous about 600 dollar hammers for defense.

federal funding via CPB accounted for about 12% of PBS 2010 annual revenues.

https://www.quora.com/What-portion-of-PBS-funding-comes-from-the-federal-government
I am not conflating Defense spending with PBS/NPR/NEfA
Defense is a primary responsibility of our government, Big Bird is not.
If those entities can produce worthwhile programming, they will not have trouble making up 12% of their budget, one way or another.(Sesame Street has been a gold mine for years)
As for defense, the discussion, and a valid one, is only how much is enough, not whether it is a required expenditure.

I.B. Fine wrote:

federal funding via CPB accounted for about 12% of PBS 2010 annual revenues.

https://www.quora.com/What-portion-of-PBS-funding-comes-from-the-federal-government
I am not conflating Defense spending with PBS/NPR/NEfA
Defense is a primary responsibility of our government, Big Bird is not.
If those entities can produce worthwhile programming, they will not have trouble making up 12% of their budget, one way or another.(Sesame Street has been a gold mine for years)
As for defense, the discussion, and a valid one, is only how much is enough,
not whether it is a required expenditure.

You will be told how much is enough and you will either accept it or not. But it won't matter, you will be told without a damn metric or an opinion.

Again, it's what you value. I believe health is very important and a healthy America saved companies billions of lost hours. But the current regime doesn't value what I do.

IB sits at his desk where he's comfortably under the safety of a employer provided health care plan he had little or no decisions n choosng with paid holidays and paid vacations raging about individual choice.

If the US taxpayers in states without coal mining played the states rights card every pol in every coal producing state would be begging for Federal help.

DWags wrote:

I.B. Fine wrote:
https://www.quora.com/What-portion-of-PBS-funding-comes-from-the-federal-government
I am not conflating Defense spending with PBS/NPR/NEfA
Defense is a primary responsibility of our government, Big Bird is not.
If those entities can produce worthwhile programming, they will not have trouble making up 12% of their budget, one way or another.(Sesame Street has been a gold mine for years)
As for defense, the discussion, and a valid one, is only how much is enough,
not whether it is a required expenditure.

You will be told how much is enough and you will either accept it or not. But it won't matter, you will be told without a damn metric or an opinion.  

Again, it's what you value. I believe health is very important and a healthy America saved companies billions of lost hours. But the current regime doesn't value what I do.

Not being dragged into unnecessary conflicts saves a lot of hours - and lives, too.
I guess I believe in 'walk softly and carry a big stick' approach to deter aggression and I'm sure the military is not currently at the capability it should be for that mission.
There are many factors that go into defense budgets but too many of them are political and not practical. Pols in both parties scraping to save their own particular sacred goose, whether it is needed or not, is one of the biggest problems. Many of them then turn around and claim we spend too much on defense. It's all part of the DC Swamp thing. But defense, like I said, is still a fundamental responsibility.
The horse is long out of the barn, I know, on government involvement in healthcare, but just like they play games on the defense budget, you know they've twisted the healthcare market & spending to the point there is no real marketplace and it is all fantasy-just like college education.
I don't know the answer, but our delivery system is screwed up, people can call EMS to take them to the ER for a pregnancy test ($5 at CVS) and the hospital has to suck up the $1000 bill, not the idiot patient, that's wrong.
Then someone that really needs help suffers because they don't have insurance and think it's wrong to seek help if they can't pay.
Doctors spend 7-10+ years of their lives beyond college training for a job, only to have some government bureaucrat tell them what they can charge, regardless of expense, and force them to add extra employees to their staff just to complete paperwork, no wonder doctors turn away Medicare patients.
I know enough about the healthcare field through family members that are involved to have no faith that the government can resolve these issues, but we'll just throw more money at them!

I.B. Fine wrote:

DWags wrote:

You will be told how much is enough and you will either accept it or not. But it won't matter, you will be told without a damn metric or an opinion.  

Again, it's what you value. I believe health is very important and a healthy America saved companies billions of lost hours. But the current regime doesn't value what I do.

Not being dragged into unnecessary conflicts saves a lot of hours - and lives, too.
I guess I believe in 'walk softly and carry a big stick' approach to deter aggression and I'm sure the military is not currently at the capability it should be for that mission.
!

All else aside I'm Impressed that you are sure the military does not have enough money for that mission. The metrics and numbers crunching involved in being able to make that statement is beyond my pay grade. Salute. That's impressive.

There have been a few discussions on the defense budget over at Reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics recently.

The top 3 comments on this post are some of the best insight I have ever seen on the subject and well worth a read.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/5ztzpg/with_trumps_new_proposed_budget_are_we_spending/

A little more investigation and we might get to the real reason Trump wants Sesame Street nixed. And it doesn't surprise me

It's funny that you can't get past the fact that just maybe this guy held a grudge.

AnomanderRake wrote:There have been a few discussions on the defense budget over at Reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics recently.

The top 3 comments on this post are some of the best insight I have ever seen on the subject and well worth a read.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/5ztzpg/with_trumps_new_proposed_budget_are_we_spending/

If you were the one that mentioned that site the other day, thanks, it is a good read.
One thing I think is regularly overlooked in our flight to TDS (Trump derangement syndrome) is this was his proposed budget, I would love to know the last time a President's proposed budget was passed with few, let alone no changes. I think the last budget Obama floated got like 1 vote in the Senate. Also, Trump pictures himself as the consummate wheeler dealer so take it for what it is, his opening gambit, aka, the start of the 'discussion' and don't freak out.

quick reminder that 81% of christians voted for a racist, bigoted, xenophobic, misogynistic admitted sexual predator.

I.B. Fine wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:There have been a few discussions on the defense budget over at Reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics recently.

The top 3 comments on this post are some of the best insight I have ever seen on the subject and well worth a read.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/5ztzpg/with_trumps_new_proposed_budget_are_we_spending/

If you were the one that mentioned that site the other day, thanks, it is a good read.
One thing I think is regularly overlooked in our flight to TDS (Trump derangement syndrome) is this was his proposed budget, I would love to know the last time a President's proposed budget was passed with few, let alone no changes. I think the last budget Obama floated got like 1 vote in the Senate. Also, Trump pictures himself as the consummate wheeler dealer so take it for what it is, his opening gambit, aka, the start of the 'discussion' and don't freak out.

Valid point, everyone always freaks out about the initial budget proposals, especially when cuts are being made.

On the flip side, Obama's budget proposal was heavily criticized for its increased spending proposals.