Happy Earth Day!!

The Pantry wrote:

4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”

7. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” declared Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.

9. In January 1970, Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”

13. Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbons “may have substantially reduced the life expectancy of people born since 1945.” Ehrlich warned that Americans born since 1946…now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach 42 years by 1980, when it might level out. (Note: According to the most recent CDC report, life expectancy in the US is 78.8 years).

18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

DWags wrote:#7

About 20,000 people die of hunger or hunger related issues per day.

"'Massive Starvation?"  Maybe.

World poverty

TBin?

Yet there is plenty of food in the world for everyone.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden is marking Earth Day by announcing $7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households in low- and middle-income communities. He also plans to expand his New Deal-style American Climate Corps green jobs training program.

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/biden-earth-day-solar-grants-epa-climate-5bece7e419e9141241287575abb0fefc

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden is marking Earth Day by announcing $7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households in low- and middle-income communities. He also plans to expand his New Deal-style American Climate Corps green jobs training program.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/biden-earth-day-solar-grants-epa-climate-5bece7e419e9141241287575abb0fefc

We have no universal health care system in this country.

Homelessness is at an all time high.

People are struggling with the cost of living.

But we're giving landlords $7 BILLION to install solar panels in the slums?

WTF are we doing?!?  How is THIS a priority?

Sure, the long term effects of climate change are damaging, but is anyone going to live long enough to see it given the current living conditions?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

We have no universal health care system in this country.

Homelessness is at an all time high.

People are struggling with the cost of living.

But we're giving landlords $7 BILLION to install solar panels in the slums?

WTF are we doing?!? How is THIS a priority?

Sure, the long term effects of climate change are damaging, but is anyone going to live long enough to see it given the current living conditions?

TravelinMan wrote:

We have no universal health care system in this country.

Homelessness is at an all time high.

People are struggling with the cost of living.

But we're giving landlords $7 BILLION to install solar panels in the slums?

WTF are we doing?!? How is THIS a priority?

Sure, the long term effects of climate change are damaging, but is anyone going to live long enough to see it given the current living conditions?

I agree we should be doing both, which we would be doing if you and your ilk would start voting 100% all the time for democratic candidates, (the parts of the Biden agenda which didn't get passed because no Republican Senator would vote for it would have addressed the issues you brought up) and think you pooh-poohing of the long-term effects of climate change are flat out wrong.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I agree we should be doing both, which we would be doing if you and your ilk would start voting 100% all the time for democratic candidates, (the parts of the Biden agenda which didn't get passed because no Republican Senator would vote for it would have addressed the issues you brought up) and think you pooh-poohing of the long-term effects of climate change are flat out wrong.

Unfortunately I did vote for Democratic candidates last time and I'm having a bit of buyer's remorse.  

But by all means, print even MORE money to implement all of your wish lists.  I'm sure inflation will be fine.  Soft landing, blah blah blah.  But a trip to Meijer is still unaffordable for the middle class.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Unfortunately I did vote for Democratic candidates last time and I'm having a bit of buyer's remorse.

But by all means, print even MORE money to implement all of your wish lists. I'm sure inflation will be fine. Soft landing, blah blah blah. But a trip to Meijer is still unaffordable for the middle class.

Part of what Biden tried to do in his first term was to raise taxes on those with incomes over $400k/year; increase the corporate income taxes; & increase income taxes on the higest incomes to 25% minimum, all in the effort to reduce deficts.

Of course, we have to make up for the foolish tax cuts on high incomes made under Johnson (Kenndy's idea), Reagan, GW Bush & Trump. But you didn't vote for any of those, so you say.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/biden-earth-day-solar-grants-epa-climate-5bece7e419e9141241287575abb0fefc

We have no universal health care system in this country.

Homelessness is at an all time high.

People are struggling with the cost of living.

But we're giving landlords $7 BILLION to install solar panels in the slums?

WTF are we doing?!? How is THIS a priority?

Sure, the long term effects of climate change are damaging, but is anyone going to live long enough to see it given the current living conditions?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

We have no universal health care system in this country.

Homelessness is at an all time high.

People are struggling with the cost of living.

But we're giving landlords $7 BILLION to install solar panels in the slums?

WTF are we doing?!? How is THIS a priority?

Sure, the long term effects of climate change are damaging, but is anyone going to live long enough to see it given the current living conditions?

republican/libertarians advocating for universal healthcare, fighting homelessness, poverty.

now you're talking, dude. At this rate, you'll come around on guns, school/mass shootings eventually.

Congrats.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:You can't simplify the tax code.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Part of what Biden tried to do in his first term was to raise taxes on those with incomes over $400k/year; increase the corporate income taxes; & increase income taxes on the higest incomes to 25% minimum, all in the effort to reduce deficts.

Of course, we have to make up for the foolish tax cuts on high incomes made under Johnson (Kenndy's idea), Reagan, GW Bush & Trump.  But you didn't vote for any of those, so you say.

I think I voted for GW Bush.  Johnson was way before my time.  

Tax cuts and/or hiking taxes are putting duct tape over the hole in the boat.  We need a complete overhaul of the tax system to eliminate the thousands and thousands of pages of loopholes embedded within.  25% income tax on the wealthy won't get you squat because the wealthy don't have "income."  They're not punching a clock and getting a W2 at the end of the year.  But it's a good sound bite to get the Poors all riled up about how unfair the system is and how mean the wealthy are.  Blue or Red, the strategy is the same:  Divide and Conquer.  

And don't give me this crap about caring about deficits.  If anyone was serious about deficits they'd stop spending so much on stupid ass shit.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: republican/libertarians advocating for universal healthcare, fighting homelessness, poverty.

now you're talking, dude. At this rate, you'll come around on guns, school/mass shootings eventually.  

Congrats.  

I told you that you had mischaracterized me, but no one wanted to think outside of the box.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I told you that you had mischaracterized me, but no one wanted to think outside of the box.

kinda like the people who think of me as a 'hippie'......

I'm as far from a 'hippie' as one could be, but I have too much running, cycling to do and naps to take to argue with people online.

am glad to hear, though, that you're opposed to mass shootings, understand the dangers of guns, and advocate on behalf of the homeless and universal healthcare.

keep voting for the good guys.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I told you that you had mischaracterized me, but no one wanted to think outside of the box.

kinda like the people who think of me as a 'hippie'......

I'm as far from a 'hippie' as one could be, but I have too much running, cycling to do and naps to take to argue with people online.

am glad to hear, though, that you're opposed to mass shootings, understand the dangers of guns, and advocate on behalf of the homeless and universal healthcare.

keep voting for the good guys.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
kinda like the people who think of me as a 'hippie'......

I'm as far from a 'hippie' as one could be, but I have too much running, cycling to do and naps to take to argue with people online.

am glad to hear, though, that you're opposed to mass shootings, understand the dangers of guns, and advocate on behalf of the homeless and universal healthcare.

keep voting for the good guys.

It's not enough that we agree on 80-90% of topics.  It never is with you people.  You have to call people names and make false claims about them.

I'll stop there, because Lord knows arguing with tBob is a permaban around this place.  

Enjoy your day - whatever it is that you "do."

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

It's not enough that we agree on 80-90% of topics.  It never is with you people.  You have to call people names and make false claims about them.

I'll stop there, because Lord knows arguing with tBob is a permaban around this place.  

Enjoy your day - whatever it is that you "do."

Maybe Bob is what you say, to paint that as "you people" is to do what he does.

Getting "dirty" with a poster who has his own forum is the top in web insanity, sort of like attacking Elon on twitter.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Maybe Bob is what you say, to paint that as "you people" is to do what he does.

Getting "dirty" with a poster who has his own forum is the top in web insanity, sort of like attacking Elon on twitter.

Oh, was I not clear on that? By "you people" I mean the leftist circle jerk echo chamber that this forum can be at times.

Hope that helps clarify things.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Oh, was I not clear on that? By "you people" I mean the leftist circle jerk echo chamber that this forum can be at times.

Hope that helps clarify things.

Well thanks for that, however, other than my well-publicized support of Democratics & Joe Biden, and I do keep saying I am all in with them, many of the posters on here are pretty sane about things and at one point, when the board first started, would even discuss things rationally.

(I blame the degradation of discussion on the board on society in general, where people have become less tolerate of other people's POV.)

Bob is, of course "Bob' when it comes to religion and/or people voting for Trump, but most of the rest can be rational.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Maybe Bob is what you say, to paint that as "you people" is to do what he does.

Getting "dirty" with a poster who has his own forum is the top in web insanity, sort of like attacking Elon on twitter.

Oh, was I not clear on that? By "you people" I mean the leftist circle jerk echo chamber that this forum can be at times.

Hope that helps clarify things.

you wrote:I told you that you had mischaracterized me, but no one wanted to think outside of the box.

Trapper Gus wrote:"It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horse races."  - Mark Twain  

leftist circle jerk