Re: How many media outlets will go back and apologize for their fake news?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2021-01-19, 12:14

Rocinante wrote:You think CNN news is far left? Ok.

There might be a difference in CNN Opinion vs. CNN News only, IDK.

by **Rocinante** 2021-01-19, 12:17

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Rocinante wrote:You think CNN news is far left? Ok.

There might be a difference in CNN Opinion vs. CNN News only, IDK.

Both listed far left on the site he linked. There’s others I have quibbles with too, but what do I know I’m a lefty.

What I really think is who fucking cares. Most of us know how to think critically. We know how to see if a story has multiple sources, primary sources, and bias. We don’t need a “bias meter” that is likely biased itself. Just read what you want and think fucking critically about it. Don’t be lazy.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2021-01-19, 12:22

Rocinante wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:

There might be a difference in CNN Opinion vs. CNN News only, IDK.

Both listed far left on the site he linked. There’s others I have quibbles with too, but what do I know I’m a lefty.

What I really think is who fucking cares. Most of us know how to think critically. We know how to see if a story has multiple sources, primary sources, and bias. We don’t need a “bias meter” that is likely biased itself. Just read what you want and think fucking critically about it. Don’t be lazy.

IDK, CNN News Only looks like "leans left" to me.

by **InTenSity** 2021-01-19, 12:29

Rocinante wrote:You think CNN news is far left? Ok.

I can see CNN Opinion being considered far left. The CNN News is leaning left, which I agree with.
Hell, they only have Fox Online News as leaning right, otherwise it is Fox Opinion, far ~~left~~right, they don't even have Fox News news only listed.

by **Rocinante** 2021-01-19, 12:33

I don’t know what you guys are seeing. Is it the chart? Because if you go down the list it’s different. Anyway I don’t care.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2021-01-19, 12:34

Rocinante wrote:You think CNN news is far left? Ok.

That's CNN opinion. CNN news only is showing as left leaning.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2021-01-19, 12:36

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Rocinante wrote:You think CNN news is far left? Ok.

That's CNN opinion. CNN news only is showing as left leaning.

Roc is right, though, when you click to the site they list both as far left. I didn't click to the site until he mentioned it. Someone on that site should be unemployed. The chart conflicts with the list.

by MSU addict 2021-01-19, 12:44

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I mean it lines up generally with what I think I know but I guess if the site is run by right wing wackos it might be skewed, which is why I asked.

The site is run by John Gable, who says that he "leans right." I can't find anything that would suggest he is a right wing wacko, but he is a republican.

From a TED talk he gave:

John Gable offers a unique combination of technology and politics. He started in tech 24 years ago by joining the original Microsoft Office team, then became the PM team lead for Netscape Navigator. He also led ZoneAlarm at Check Point Software, and cofounded and sold Kavi Corp. Gable was previously a Republican operative, working for three Senate majority leaders (Howard Baker, Trent Lott, Mitch McConnell), the Republican National Committee and George H.W. Bush.

He claims the site has a multi-partisan editorial board.

by **Heat Miser** 2021-01-19, 13:20

Motown Spartan wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:What do you guys make of this? Is this site credible?

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings

I think it’s bullshit that they include Newsmax and OAN. Those are conspiracy laden right wing echo chambers. Parler is more credible than those as news outlets.

Agreed. If you're gonna include them you need a new column call "Wingnut Right". That entire graphic looks like everything is shifted one column left.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2021-01-26, 08:47

I see the fake controversies are being drummed up already. School bathrooms! Oh the humanity!

by **steveschneider** 2021-01-26, 09:59

Heat Miser wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:

I think it’s bullshit that they include Newsmax and OAN. Those are conspiracy laden right wing echo chambers. Parler is more credible than those as news outlets.

Agreed. If you're gonna include them you need a new column call "Wingnut Right". That entire graphic looks like everything is shifted one column left.

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Seeing the lunacy out of todays GOP what kind of fair and balance reporting do people really want? They want it framed as a debate where you have the big lie vs the truth? Or if you just do factual based reporting either way the gop are still going to cry foul. The whole Rand Paul George Stephanopoulos interview this Sunday Rand Paul tried to frame his take on the election fraud as a both sides argument 'hear the other side'. Afterwards he bragged on twitter this is how you stick it to the left wing media. There's no win here for a news org like ABC.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2021-01-26, 10:01

steveschneider wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Agreed. If you're gonna include them you need a new column call "Wingnut Right". That entire graphic looks like everything is shifted one column left.
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Seeing the lunacy out of todays GOP what kind of fair and balance reporting do people really want? They want it framed as a debate where you have the big lie vs the truth? Or if you just do factual based reporting either way the gop are still going to cry foul. The whole Rand Paul George Stephanopoulos interview this Sunday Rand Paul tried to frame his take on the election fraud as a both sides argument 'hear the other side'. Afterwards he bragged on twitter this is how you stick it to the left wing media. There's no win here for a news org like ABC.

If you needed more proof (no one should) that Rand Paul is an opportunist with no soul, it was on full display Sunday morning.

by **steveschneider** 2021-01-26, 10:15

Floyd Robertson wrote:
steveschneider wrote:]

Seeing the lunacy out of todays GOP what kind of fair and balance reporting do people really want? They want it framed as a debate where you have the big lie vs the truth? Or if you just do factual based reporting either way the gop are still going to cry foul. The whole Rand Paul George Stephanopoulos interview this Sunday Rand Paul tried to frame his take on the election fraud as a both sides argument 'hear the other side'. Afterwards he bragged on twitter this is how you stick it to the left wing media. There's no win here for a news org like ABC.

If you needed more proof (no one should) that Rand Paul is an opportunist with no soul, it was on full display Sunday morning.

Yeah, how do you find a middle here? You report factually that the election was not stolen you are right away left wing material. What is there to be open minded about?

"The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Brandolini's The bullshit asymmetry principle.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2021-01-26, 10:21

steveschneider wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:

If you needed more proof (no one should) that Rand Paul is an opportunist with no soul, it was on full display Sunday morning.

Yeah, how do you find a middle here? You report factually that the election was not stolen you are right away left wing material. What is there to be open minded about?

"The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Brandolini's The bullshit asymmetry principle.

I'm not a rocket surgeon, but when Rand Paul lit his disinformation boiler I would have cut his fucking mic if I was George, then gone on to explain in the clearest possible terms why.

by **steveschneider** 2021-01-26, 10:35

And this...

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/1/13/harvard-law-school-petition-vermeule/

Where do we stand here? All that money in tuition to be taught a big lie? I think the real lesson is how damaging Trumpism was and how it poisoned so many of our top institutions. The lesson is you can’t underestimate the appeal of a strong man and for people to fall in line. Elites and rubes are all susceptible.

by **steveschneider** 2021-01-26, 10:48

Last one...

by **steveschneider** 2021-01-28, 13:09

Looks like an interesting read. Article by former Fox employee who called Arizona. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-28/fox-news-chris-stirewalt-firing-arizona

by AvgMSUJoe 2021-03-25, 19:17

So MSM are letting Fox News dictate the cycle again I see. Mfkrs can't get out of their own way of you drew them a map

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2021-03-26, 07:47

The image of Guest sitting in his well-worn recliner.. a curious, furrowed brow riveted to the mainstream media.. brain engaged.. a smile slowly developing across his weathered face as he raises a mug of Maxwell House..

warms my heart.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2021-03-26, 07:59

steveschneider wrote:Looks like an interesting read. Article by former Fox employee who called Arizona. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-28/fox-news-chris-stirewalt-firing-arizona

This is where America now stands: When I defended the call for Biden in the Arizona election, I became a target of murderous rage from consumers who were furious at not having their views confirmed.

by **GRR Spartan** 2021-03-26, 10:06

Fox might have 1.6B reasons to start telling the truth

by **steveschneider** 2021-03-26, 12:43

https://oliverwillis.com/white-house-press-corps-shows-its-rear-and-why-it-should-just-go-home/

by **Turtleneck** 2021-04-27, 22:10

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by **Trapper Gus** 2022-03-02, 09:05

Tucker Carlson is utterly baffled that people would think he is rooting for Vladimir Putin and Russia in its war on Ukraine. “You know, it’s such an awful thing to say,” he said on his Fox News show Monday, after playing a clip of Congressman Eric Swalwell saying he and other Republicans were on Putin’s side. “We hesitated to play that, even—it’s very common, you hear it every day. The question is: Why are they saying that? It doesn’t make any sense.”

Gaslighting, of course, has become Carlson’s specialty. In reality, Carlson spent most of the month prior to the invasion praising Putin and echoing Russian propaganda: running down Ukraine, deriding it as a “State Department client state”—not a democracy, but “a tyranny”—and claiming that Russia just wants to keep its borders secure, everything the fault of Joe Biden. So much so that he became the hero of Russian state television, where his rants were translated and replayed, and he was praised as an astute American.

Totally Liberal MSM Site

by Bredo Morstoel 2022-03-02, 09:06

I found this article interesting. Always read media with an open mind. You know the Russians aren't the only ones promoting a narrative.

Ukraine: Watching the war on Russian TV - a whole different story

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-03-02, 09:16

Bredo Morstoel wrote:I found this article interesting. Always read media with an open mind. You know the Russians aren't the only ones promoting a narrative.

Ukraine: Watching the war on Russian TV - a whole different story

to provide further perspective to the comments about media, much of established western media, ignoring Rupard Murdoc owned media, which varies in this, uses fact checking to verify that what they are reporting is close to the truth, and reports on this, telling consumers of the media that certain reports are not verified. (Admittedly, some of the viewers don't understand this nuance)

A state, or Party, such as Rupard Murdoc owned, media just broadcasts propaganda. Propaganda starts with what is happening, the war in Ukraine (true), but the quickly pivots to false reports about it.

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-03-02, 09:34

Guest wrote:Well this is certainly a welcome development:

CNN To Launch Real News Spinoff Site

ATLANTA, GA—After years of publishing distorted headlines, slanted news articles, and heavily biased news coverage, media giant CNN announced Friday that it has decided to launch a spinoff site that focuses on real news comprised of objective facts.

Dubbed “CNN: Real,” the site is designed to bring the news media empire into the arena of publishing real news, a step away from its roots as a channel that covers entirely fabricated stories and shamelessly spins all news into liberal talking points.

“We know this is going to get some push-back from our viewer base, but don’t worry: the original CNN site and cable channel are still a large part of our business,” company Vice President Michael Bass said during an announcement on the shift toward real news. “Anytime you want to have your biases confirmed, CNN will be there.”

“But with CNN: Real, we’re going to try our hand at reporting facts, and doing so in an unbiased manner.”

Painting the new site as an “experiment,” Bass admitted to reporters that he is not entirely confident the real news angle will resonate with the company’s regular viewership, but CNN executives decided it was worth a shot, saying, “If it doesn’t work out, we can always just go back to focusing all of our energy on making stuff up.”

A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box. - Frederick Douglass:

I wonder if Goose really thought this was real news?

lol!

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-03-11, 08:22

Axios wrote:The key factor determining how Americans have handled COVID-19 — more than race, education or even political affiliation — is where they get their news, according to an analysis of two years of data from our Axios/Ipsos Coronavirus Index.

Why it matters: Partisan divisions weaken U.S. leaders' ability to deal with such existential crises — and the modern media landscape feeds that cycle.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2022-03-11, 12:31

Trapper Gus wrote:
Guest wrote:Well this is certainly a welcome development:

CNN To Launch Real News Spinoff Site

A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box. - Frederick Douglass:

I wonder if Goose really thought this was real news?

poor 'ol Goose was always so determined to promote his extremist views that he had no idea he was getting them from the very mainstream media outlets that he was constantly whining about.

How many media outlets will go back and apologize for their fake news? - Page 11 502811600

How many media outlets will go back and apologize for their fake news? - Page 11 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** 2022-03-15, 22:02

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I wonder if Goose really thought this was real news?

poor 'ol Goose was always so determined to promote his extremist views that he had no idea he was getting them from the very mainstream media outlets that he was constantly whining about.

Or in the quoted case, a right wing satire site, much like The Onion

by **Turtleneck** 2022-08-12, 13:48

Fox News Airs Fake Photo of Epstein and Trump Raid Judge Who Has Been Forced Into Hiding By Death Threats

https://www.mediaite.com/news/fox-news-airs-fake-photo-of-epstein-and-trump-raid-judge-who-has-been-forced-into-hiding-by-death-threats/

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2022-08-12, 14:14

Turtleneck wrote:Fox News Airs Fake Photo of Epstein and Trump Raid Judge Who Has Been Forced Into Hiding By Death Threats

https://www.mediaite.com/news/fox-news-airs-fake-photo-of-epstein-and-trump-raid-judge-who-has-been-forced-into-hiding-by-death-threats/

I'm sure the mainstream media will issue an apology for this very nuanced and subtle mistake. How many media outlets will go back and apologize for their fake news? - Page 11 502811600

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