Re: DEEE-TROIT BAASKETBAALLLL!!! 2017-2018 Thread

by Guest Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 19:29

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:A disaster implies the pistons had something to destroy/lose

I guess my hope was that they would trade to open the way for a rebuild. Open cap space, gather picks, etc.
Instead they sucked up cap space and gave away picks. So good for SVG in the short term, probably a disaster
for the franchise long term.

by aualum06 Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 19:42

NBA teams should not trade draft picks unless they are one of the five teams with a shot

by Clarett's Folly Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 19:58

If you can't be good then be interesting.

by **The Pantry** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 20:02

Griffin's contract is stupid. No way we should be taking that on. SVG's an idiot.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 20:05

Griffin is no slouch. Pistons fans/critics have been begging for a real star for awhile now and we finally got one.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 20:18

They essentially traded Griffin for Harris. Reed and Boban are back up bigs. Avery was expiring. The draft picks? Name one they've drafted recently that's made a difference.

Griffin is a superstar. Sure health's an issue. But Blake Griffin wouldn't give the Pistons the time of day in a free agent market scenario. But they got him in a trade. So now maybe, just maybe, it might make the Pistons a good landing spot for a top level free agent point guard with Drummond and Griffin in your front court.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 20:32

Good post Kingston. Reggie was having a solid year before he went down, along with the entire team. I’m just concerned we lack shooters still.

by Guest Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 20:41

kingstonlake wrote:They essentially traded Griffin for Harris. Reed and Boban are back up bigs. Avery was expiring. The draft picks? Name one they've drafted recently that's made a difference.

Griffin is a superstar. Sure health's an issue. But Blake Griffin wouldn't give the Pistons the time of day in a free agent market scenario. But they got him in a trade. So now maybe, just maybe, it might make the Pistons a good landing spot for a top level free agent point guard with Drummond and Griffin in your front court.

How do you sign a FA when you're capped out?

by Guest Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 20:54

Los Angeles Clippers Won Blake Griffin Trade Because Of His Contract

Blake Griffin is no longer a member of the Los Angeles Clippers.

The 28-year-old was traded to the Detroit Pistons on Monday, and while the Clippers didn’t get a whole lot in return, they should be happy with the deal. Griffin’s five-year, $171 million contract was an albatross that would have held the franchise back for years, and now it’s off the books for good.

Yes, the Clippers also got a 25-year-old wing having a career year in Tobias Harris, and a excellent defensive guard in Avery Bradley. But in reality, this deal was about removing a terrible contract from their ledger. I wrote this summer that Griffin’s deal was among the worst given out in free agency, and I still believe that.

Griffin’s deal will pay him $32 million next year, $34.4 million in 2019-20, $36.8 million in 2020-21 and he’ll have a player option for a ridiculous $38.96 million in 2021-22. That’s just an insane contract for a 28-year-old with a lengthy injury history who has likely peaked.

Griffin hasn’t been an All-Star or made an All-NBA team since 2015 and his PER has dropped to 20.70 this season, which ranks 34th in the NBA. Griffin’s PER ranks 10th among power forwards this year with guys like John Collins, Bobby Portis and teammate Montrezl Harrell outpacing him.

by **The Pantry** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:00

LooseGoose wrote:Los Angeles Clippers Won Blake Griffin Trade Because Of His Contract

Blake Griffin is no longer a member of the Los Angeles Clippers.

The 28-year-old was traded to the Detroit Pistons on Monday, and while the Clippers didn’t get a whole lot in return, they should be happy with the deal. Griffin’s five-year, $171 million contract was an albatross that would have held the franchise back for years, and now it’s off the books for good.

Yes, the Clippers also got a 25-year-old wing having a career year in Tobias Harris, and a excellent defensive guard in Avery Bradley. But in reality, this deal was about removing a terrible contract from their ledger. I wrote this summer that Griffin’s deal was among the worst given out in free agency, and I still believe that.

Griffin’s deal will pay him $32 million next year, $34.4 million in 2019-20, $36.8 million in 2020-21 and he’ll have a player option for a ridiculous $38.96 million in 2021-22. That’s just an insane contract for a 28-year-old with a lengthy injury history who has likely peaked.

Griffin hasn’t been an All-Star or made an All-NBA team since 2015 and his PER has dropped to 20.70 this season, which ranks 34th in the NBA. Griffin’s PER ranks 10th among power forwards this year with guys like John Collins, Bobby Portis and teammate Montrezl Harrell outpacing him.

Makes you wonder how/why Gores signed on for this deal.

Never liked SVG or the hire. What is Gores thinking?

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:17

The first month of the season or so Griffin was a front runner for MVP. Then Day Day ruined him.

by **The Pantry** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:21

By trading Griffin, Clippers just made their pre-emptive play for LeBron

by Guest Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:28

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:The first month of the season or so Griffin was a front runner for MVP. Then Day Day ruined him.

There's a chance the deal could make the Pistons better this year....but long term this is a bomb.

by **Death Roe** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:31

Why did they take on this absurd contract?

by **kingstonlake** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:32

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/01/29/blake-griffin-trade-clippers-pistons-tobias-harris-avery-bradley

A- for the Pistons

His addition creates a legitimate opportunity to make a run in an Eastern Conference that—until Cleveland decides what it wants to do in the next 10 days—appears open for the taking.

Pairing Griffin with Drummond creates a fairly intriguing spin on the Clippers’ longtime Griffin-Jordan pairing. Coupling Griffin’s inside-out game with the freakishly athletic Drummond, currently one of the league’s leading rebounders at age 24, should mean space for both to operate. Although Jordan is a superior rim protector, it’s often forgotten how good of a passer Drummond has become (he’s averaging a career-high 3.8 dimes) and that his free throw shooting has also markedly improved this season.

by **The Pantry** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:39

Death Roe wrote:Why did they take on this absurd contract?

Good question. Dumbest contract in the league.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:49

The more i think about the trade the more i like it. We shall see.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 21:54

It's a league of superstars. Not they have one. Fill in the rest. This was always going to be a middling team they way it was trending. How exciting was that? Getting the 14th pick every year. Swing for the fences. I like it. Tobias Harris as your best player next year doesn't move the needle.

by Guest Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:06

kingstonlake wrote:It's a league of superstars. Not they have one. Fill in the rest. This was always going to be a middling team they way it was trending. How exciting was that? Getting the 14th pick every year. Swing for the fences. I like it. Tobias Harris as your best player next year doesn't move the needle.

The problem is that you're thinking of the BG of the past not the future. The Pistons just bought his years of decline for an absurd price.

by **DWags** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:08

The Pantry wrote:
Death Roe wrote:Why did they take on this absurd contract?
Good question. Dumbest contract in the league.

Jesus. If you can’t sell tickets by winning, git yer self a marquee name, whether it helps the team or not.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:16

LooseGoose wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:It's a league of superstars. Not they have one. Fill in the rest. This was always going to be a middling team they way it was trending. How exciting was that? Getting the 14th pick every year. Swing for the fences. I like it. Tobias Harris as your best player next year doesn't move the needle.

The problem is that you're thinking of the BG of the past not the future. The Pistons just bought his years of decline for an absurd price.

You have to factor in the the Pistons are in the East. A division that is be up for grabs when James moves to the West. Hell they may be throwing in the towel this year. The window is open. Go for it.

by Guest Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:18

kingstonlake wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

The problem is that you're thinking of the BG of the past not the future. The Pistons just bought his years of decline for an absurd price.

You have to factor in the the Pistons are in the East. A division that is be up for grabs when James moves to the West. Hell they may be throwing in the towel this year. The window is open. Go for it.

We'll see, it might work short term though only God knows who will play Guard. Long term there's no way to take the stink off the skunk.

by **kingstonlake** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:25

LooseGoose wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

You have to factor in the the Pistons are in the East. A division that is be up for grabs when James moves to the West. Hell they may be throwing in the towel this year. The window is open. Go for it.

We'll see, it might work short term though only God knows who will play Guard. Long term there's no way to take the stink off the skunk.

I like Elfrid Payton. Here's a good PG on a bad team.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:43

Also like Payton

#Pistons SVG trade history:
-- Morris/Bullock for 2020 2R pick
-- Harris for expiring Jennings/Ilyasova
-- Griffin for Harris/Bradley/Boban

Trades have worked out, for the most part.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 22:59

Players averaging 22,7,5

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Cousins
Griffin

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon 29 Jan 2018 - 23:02

Starting line up when Reggie is back?

Reggie
Kennard
Johnson
Griffin
Drummond

Kennard is the only one who can shoot though. Reggie is streaky, no? Start bullock over Stanley?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 1:09

Wojo: Pistons land needed star, but at steep cost - http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/columnists/bob-wojnowski/2018/01/29/wojo-pistons-land-needed-star-steep-cost/109929768/

by MattyFresh Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 1:34

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Wojo: Pistons land needed star, but at steep cost - http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/columnists/bob-wojnowski/2018/01/29/wojo-pistons-land-needed-star-steep-cost/109929768/

so SVG is banking on having two big men, hopefully who can stay healthy and build youth around them?

by **NigelUno** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 7:54

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:The more i think about the trade the more i like it. We shall see.

I was like...what? I then I was like...OK.

Should make the Pistons more exciting to watch and maybe put some butts in the seats.

Read a Joe Johnson/Hawks analogy somewhere.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 18:16

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:The more i think about the trade the more i like it. We shall see.

Same. Obviously there’s a lot to be determined and it’s not a sure thing.. but you don’t get a sure thing from a shooting guard that was recently traded for nothing and is having a bad season, a fine small forward but by no means a Star, and a mid tier first rounder. I mean what do people think you can flip those type of assets into? I think it’s a worthy gamble to take. And yeah, maybe it doesn’t work and then we do what everyone is (foolishly) clamoring for, tanking, but I’m okay with taking a shot and seeing what happens.

by **DWags** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 19:05

How many games a year is he good for? Does Derrick rose have more games played in five years? 38 million next year? I’m skeptical

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 19:30

DWags wrote:How many games a year is he good for? Does Derrick rose have more games played in five years? 38 million next year? I’m skeptical

No. Not even close.

by Guest Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 19:43

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:The more i think about the trade the more i like it. We shall see.
Same. Obviously there’s a lot to be determined and it’s not a sure thing.. but you don’t get a sure thing from a shooting guard that was recently traded for nothing and is having a bad season, a fine small forward but by no means a Star, and a mid tier first rounder. I mean what do people think you can flip those type of assets into? I think it’s a worthy gamble to take. And yeah, maybe it doesn’t work and then we do what everyone is (foolishly) clamoring for, tanking, but I’m okay with taking a shot and seeing what happens.

I thought you would take Tobias's departure much harder. Had you cooled on him a bit?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 19:48

LooseGoose wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Same. Obviously there’s a lot to be determined and it’s not a sure thing.. but you don’t get a sure thing from a shooting guard that was recently traded for nothing and is having a bad season, a fine small forward but by no means a Star, and a mid tier first rounder. I mean what do people think you can flip those type of assets into? I think it’s a worthy gamble to take. And yeah, maybe it doesn’t work and then we do what everyone is (foolishly) clamoring for, tanking, but I’m okay with taking a shot and seeing what happens.

I thought you would take Tobias's departure much harder. Had you cooled on him a bit?

No. Quite the contrary. I love Tobias. I’d love for him to come back somehow. But Blake is better. And Blake is better than him and an unknown first round pick, which is basically what the trade amounts to.

by Guest Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 20:03

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

I thought you would take Tobias's departure much harder. Had you cooled on him a bit?
No. Quite the contrary. I love Tobias. I’d love for him to come back somehow. But Blake is better. And Blake is better than him and an unknown first round pick, which is basically what the trade amounts to.

Pretty close in on the court terms. In that light it's not a bad deal but the salary cap issues and Griffin's age/health make the difference for me. We'll see.

by Guest Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 20:34

Somebody needs to check this James character.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 20:35

LooseGoose wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
No. Quite the contrary. I love Tobias. I’d love for him to come back somehow. But Blake is better. And Blake is better than him and an unknown first round pick, which is basically what the trade amounts to.

Pretty close in on the court terms. In that light it's not a bad deal but the salary cap issues and Griffin's age/health make the difference for me. We'll see.

Yeah I mean it’s a super we’ll see. I just think it’s probsbly worth the gamble. If it doesn’t work then we end up back at the “lose every game and salivate over 19 year olds in the draft prospect.”

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 23:21

Stanley goes for 26 and 10 tonight.

by **DWags** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 23:34

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:How many games a year is he good for? Does Derrick rose have more games played in five years? 38 million next year? I’m skeptical
No. Not even close.

Yeah I checked. Last three years Rose 181 Griffin 163. But five years you’re correct.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 30 Jan 2018 - 23:42

DWags wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
No. Not even close.

Yeah I checked. Last three years Rose 181 Griffin 163. But five years you’re correct.

Lol eat shit

Also if you had said 3 years I’d have looked silly

But since you didn’t lol eat shit

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