Re: Official 2018 General College Football Thread

[Tim Wakefield]

Reese Davis was just on SC...said he doesn't think Urban survives and the admin leave is more to get the contract buyout figured out.

How big of a fuckin buyout does a guy like that have?

[tGreenWay]

Re: Urbs: Imma just wait for the truth to come out, if it ever does.

[pulling69]

There won't be a buyout....there are clauses in his contract for him failing to report this stuff that allow for him to be fired with cause.

PS Now with Urban's history, anyone want to bet on when he "needs to spend more time with his family" again and "retires." At least this time it won't be for banging university students.

[pulling69]

Reese Davis was just on SC...said he doesn't think Urban survives and the admin leave is more to get the contract buyout figured out.

How big of a fuckin buyout does a guy like that have?

[Clarett's Folly]

Can we get our QB croot back?

[pulling69]

Can we get our QB croot back?

Don't want him... 1000% committed to MSU and bailed, he is probably 1,000,000% committed to OSU.

[tGreenWay]

Article takes a look at Ryan Day, the acting HC, and why he was selected despite there being two former head coaches on the Buckeyes’ staff:

https://articles.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/why_ryan_day_had_to_be_named_a.amp

[DWags]

So, why wouldn’t the whole staff be held to the same standards as Urban? If they all knew, they all knew.

[Robert J Sakimano]

so do y'all really think Urban could get canned over this??

regardless of what he knew and when, I figure he could always play the "well, I realize now that I could've handled it differently, but I wasn't ready to convict someone based on allegations" card..

unless there's more to the story than I realize.. admittedly, I haven't brushed up on it too much. It just seems like people of his stature hold on to positions regularly for much more serious things.



(I ain't sayin' it's right.. just sayin' that it's my observation).

[Tim Wakefield]

Will Ohio State fire Urbs before game 1?
Yes -200
No +160

Will he resign?
Yes -150
No +120

https://twitter.com/betmybookie/status/1024730902788808706?s=21

[Guest]

so do y'all really think Urban could get canned over this??

regardless of what he knew and when, I figure he could always play the "well, I realize now that I could've handled it differently, but I wasn't ready to convict someone based on allegations" card..

unless there's more to the story than I realize.. admittedly, I haven't brushed up on it too much. It just seems like people of his stature hold on to positions regularly for much more serious things.



(I ain't sayin' it's right.. just sayin' that it's my observation).

You can't cover up one of your staff members repeatedly beating his wife and survive it. Couple this with their own brewing molestation scandal and tOSU will want to get in front of it. He never coaches another game there. Will be coaching again within 3 years though.

[DWags]

Just a thought about journalism. McMurphy vs Lavign. Seems one had their ducks in a row and one just sprayed shit and some stuck.

I have no doubt she’s bummed today. One story puts a coach on administrative leave and possibly fired, one hour long prime time million dollar special had zero effect on two coaches. She’ll put a hack job together soon.

[InTenSity]

Someone on reddit had some pretty interesting stuff.

I dont know if any one will see this [errr...uh.. it looks like people will see this] , but Ive caught flak here and been downvoted before for calling out Urban and his bag man & fixer that handled shady shit for him. Ive even said the guys name in here and on discord, and low and behold the guy appears in this story...

A few days after Zach’s 2009 arrest, Courtney said two of Meyer’s closest friends – Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce – asked her to drop the charges. Bruce is Zach Smith’s grandfather, de Fries is Meyer’s “life coach.”

That guy is still with Urban, and he is the guy that covered up shady shit for urban in the past.

edit:

On a July morning in 2009, Courtney Smith sat across the table from de Fries, a former attorney and Shell Oil executive. Courtney said de Fries pressured her to drop the charges.

That aint the first time he has been involved in things like this. The real story is there for any journalist willing to dig into that guy.

edit2: https://www.facebook.com/TheBrettMcMurphy/posts/2042037522486968

“Zach once told me,” said Courtney, “if he ever got fired and this all comes out: ‘I’ll take everyone at Ohio State down with me.’ ”

this guy knows dirt. I expect Mueller to be speaking with him soon.

[steveschneider]

so do y'all really think Urban could get canned over this??

regardless of what he knew and when, I figure he could always play the "well, I realize now that I could've handled it differently, but I wasn't ready to convict someone based on allegations" card..

unless there's more to the story than I realize.. admittedly, I haven't brushed up on it too much. It just seems like people of his stature hold on to positions regularly for much more serious things.



(I ain't sayin' it's right.. just sayin' that it's my observation).

You can't cover up one of your staff members repeatedly beating his wife and survive it. Couple this with their own brewing molestation scandal and tOSU will want to get in front of it. He never coaches another game there. Will be coaching again within 3 years though.

Urban back to the SEC?

[steveschneider]

Just a thought about journalism. McMurphy vs Lavign. Seems one had their ducks in a row and one just sprayed shit and some stuck.

I have no doubt she’s bummed today. One story puts a coach on administrative leave and possibly fired, one hour long prime time million dollar special had zero effect on two coaches. She’ll put a hack job together soon.

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1024886218197278720

[Nordic]

so do y'all really think Urban could get canned over this??

regardless of what he knew and when, I figure he could always play the "well, I realize now that I could've handled it differently, but I wasn't ready to convict someone based on allegations" card..

unless there's more to the story than I realize.. admittedly, I haven't brushed up on it too much. It just seems like people of his stature hold on to positions regularly for much more serious things.



(I ain't sayin' it's right.. just sayin' that it's my observation).

The more I think about. I think he will be fired. Good read on his contract, Title IX reporting issues and why he was probably put on leave:

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/the_new_clause_in_urban_meyers.html

[Robert J Sakimano]

so do y'all really think Urban could get canned over this??

regardless of what he knew and when, I figure he could always play the "well, I realize now that I could've handled it differently, but I wasn't ready to convict someone based on allegations" card..

unless there's more to the story than I realize.. admittedly, I haven't brushed up on it too much. It just seems like people of his stature hold on to positions regularly for much more serious things.



(I ain't sayin' it's right.. just sayin' that it's my observation).

You can't cover up one of your staff members repeatedly beating his wife and survive it. Couple this with their own brewing molestation scandal and tOSU will want to get in front of it. He never coaches another game there. Will be coaching again within 3 years though.

like I said, I haven't kept up with it too closely but that doesn't sound too good.

[MSU addict]

IMO all signs point to - he gone.

He has firmly stated that he was unaware.  

Even if you stupidly believe that his wife knew (known fact) but never told him - there are multiple sources saying there is substantial proof he knew.  It would seem any type of investigation is going to show conclusively that he knew.

Meyer knows the truth - he was, in fact, very aware.  No investigation needs to be conducted, he will resign because doing so greatly improves his future employability.  

The guy they named as interim head coach is the next stud coaching candidate.  You give Day the job on a provisional basis, he does well and he is your next head coach.  If he does something stupid like losing to Harbaugh, you have all the time you need for a coaching search.

[Nordic]

IMO all signs point to - he gone.

He has firmly stated that he was unaware.  

Even if you stupidly believe that his wife knew (known fact) but never told him - there are multiple sources saying there is substantial proof he knew.  It would seem any type of investigation is going to show conclusively that he knew.

Meyer knows the truth - he was, in fact, very aware.  No investigation needs to be conducted, he will resign because doing so greatly improves his future employability.  

The guy they named as interim head coach is the next stud coaching candidate.  You give Day the job on a provisional basis, he does well and he is your next head coach.  If he does something stupid like losing to Harbaugh, you have all the time you need for a coaching search.

I don't know anything about Day. But you are spot on. They are one of the top 3 elite programs/brands right now. They are better off cutting ties with Meyer than keeping him and it blowing up in their face. That would hurt much more than the temporary lose of Meyer.

[Robert J Sakimano]

IMO all signs point to - he gone.

He has firmly stated that he was unaware.  

Even if you stupidly believe that his wife knew (known fact) but never told him - there are multiple sources saying there is substantial proof he knew.  It would seem any type of investigation is going to show conclusively that he knew.

Meyer knows the truth - he was, in fact, very aware.  No investigation needs to be conducted, he will resign because doing so greatly improves his future employability.  

The guy they named as interim head coach is the next stud coaching candidate.  You give Day the job on a provisional basis, he does well and he is your next head coach.  If he does something stupid like losing to Harbaugh, you have all the time you need for a coaching search.

I don't know anything about Day. But you are spot on. They are one of the top 3 elite programs/brands right now. They are better off cutting ties with Meyer than keeping him and it blowing up in their face. That would hurt much more than the temporary lose of Meyer.

this seems pretty accurate.

[Clarett's Folly]

I don't know much about Ryan Day either but he's listed as 39 and looks like he's 59 so if nothing else he fits the OSU mold of athletics figures who age in dog years.

[Tim Wakefield]

How old is the oldest "Ryan" in the US?

[Floyd Robertson]

How old is the oldest "Ryan" in the US?

Probably Ryan O'Neal, who is probably closing in on 80. He was likely one of your grandma's heartthrobs.

[MiamiSpartan]

If Meyer goes, and if Paula does indeed have another hit piece planned, the pressure is going to be extreme for Dantonio to be gone, too. People will hold OSU up as an example of how such a situation should be handled despite having such a great and successful coach, and just highlight how "terrible" it is of MSU to keep Dantonio. Context, circumstances, and even truth be damned, the parallels will be drawn. You can bet Paula is already working this into her piece.

[NigelUno]

If Meyer goes, and if Paula does indeed have another hit piece planned, the pressure is going to be extreme for Dantonio to be gone, too. People will hold OSU up as an example of how such a situation should be handled despite having such a great and successful coach, and just highlight how "terrible" it is of MSU to keep Dantonio. Context, circumstances, and even truth be damned, the parallels will be drawn. You can bet Paula is already working this into her piece.

Dantonio followed the guidelines. Urban didn't. Any parallel seems to end there.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Yous all realize this is tOSU... and he committed no actual crime. He will sit half the season... and be very apologetic, learn his lesson through deep prayer with his pastor... and be back in time to coach against us in November. Urbz is tOSU. Remember pre-Urbz? Their administration does.

[steveschneider]

If Meyer goes, and if Paula does indeed have another hit piece planned, the pressure is going to be extreme for Dantonio to be gone, too.  People will hold OSU up as an example of how such a situation should be handled despite having such a great and successful coach, and just highlight how "terrible" it is of MSU to keep Dantonio.  Context, circumstances, and even truth be damned, the parallels will be drawn.  You can bet Paula is already working this into her piece.

Going to have to find wrong doing by Dantonio. Paula was a success at making us look bad but she failed to find any wrong doing by Izzo or Dantonio.

The real story is a 'boring' story and isn't a ratings monster that would involved the big name coaches at the major sports. It involves an apathetic president, an out of touch/dysfunctional board of directors, failures at the management level, people on the gymnastics program, the school of Osteopathic medicine and so on.

At best I think she found some shit that Hollis should have handled better but the details are too murky to even make a call on that.

I keep beating this drum, but everyone would have been better off if a more competent reporter like McMurphy or someone from Frontline or 60 Minutes took on the MSU story from the get go. The victims, the people that love MSU and everyone that got muddied up by that crap OTL story all deserved better.

[Clarett's Folly]

Yous all realize this is tOSU... and he committed no actual crime. He will sit half the season... and be very apologetic, learn his lesson through deep prayer with his pastor... and be back in time to coach against us in November. Urbz is tOSU. Remember pre-Urbz? Their administration does.

This is kinda where I am on this. I'll be shocked if he's gone for realz.

[Robert J Sakimano]

some dude is now saying he's about to release undercover video of Urban Meyer's "long history of abuse".. wtf?

maybe he's just trying to punk people?

[Tim Wakefield]

Bob only cares about Ohio State.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Bob only cares about Ohio State.

Bob cares about naps.

hoping I can get one in soon.

[steveschneider]

I'm just glad there's good sports stuff to talk about today. Off season must be coming to an end!

[Heat Miser]

If You Think Urban Meyer's Career Is Over, You Underestimate The Power Of Winning

[steveschneider]

If You Think Urban Meyer's Career Is Over, You Underestimate The Power Of Winning

That was a great read. Thing is OSU has so much talent in their back yard it is conceivable they continue the dominance without Meyer.

[AvgMSUJoe]

If You Think Urban Meyer's Career Is Over, You Underestimate The Power Of Winning

That was a great read. Thing is OSU has so much talent in their back yard it is conceivable they continue the dominance without Meyer.

Luke Finkell would disagree...

(and damn whoever posted a deadspin article. worse then espn)

[steveschneider]

That was a great read. Thing is OSU has so much talent in their back yard it is conceivable they continue the dominance without Meyer.

Luke Finkell would disagree...

(and damn whoever posted a deadspin article. worse then espn)

True. I just view it like this OSU is one of those schools that have a baked in advantage over other programs because CFB is a regional sport and they control the state. UofF is in a state loaded with top talent but there are two other major programs competing for that talent.

[MiamiSpartan]

If Meyer goes, and if Paula does indeed have another hit piece planned, the pressure is going to be extreme for Dantonio to be gone, too.  People will hold OSU up as an example of how such a situation should be handled despite having such a great and successful coach, and just highlight how "terrible" it is of MSU to keep Dantonio.  Context, circumstances, and even truth be damned, the parallels will be drawn.  You can bet Paula is already working this into her piece.

Going to have to find wrong doing by Dantonio. Paula was a success at making us look bad but she failed to find any wrong doing by Izzo or Dantonio.

The real story is a 'boring' story and isn't a ratings monster that would involved the big name coaches at the major sports. It involves an apathetic president, an out of touch/dysfunctional board of directors, failures at the management level, people on the gymnastics program, the school of Osteopathic medicine and so on.

At best I think she found some shit that Hollis should have handled better but the details are too murky to even make a call on that.

I keep beating this drum, but everyone would have been better off if a more competent reporter like McMurphy or someone from Frontline or 60 Minutes took on the MSU story from the get go. The victims, the people that love MSU and everyone that got muddied up by that crap OTL story all deserved better.

I'm talking about the rumored upcoming story from Paula.  The OTL bullshit from this past winter is in the rear view mirror for all but a few idiots, so no worries about that.  What I'm saying is that if Urban goes over this, and then a month later Paula publishes the rumored story, then there are going to be very loud calls for Dantonio to go, and OSU will be held up as an example of how MSU should handle it.  Hopefully the facts clear MD unequivocally, but the mob doesn't wait for, nor care about, the facts.

[NigelUno]

Going to have to find wrong doing by Dantonio. Paula was a success at making us look bad but she failed to find any wrong doing by Izzo or Dantonio.

The real story is a 'boring' story and isn't a ratings monster that would involved the big name coaches at the major sports. It involves an apathetic president, an out of touch/dysfunctional board of directors, failures at the management level, people on the gymnastics program, the school of Osteopathic medicine and so on.

At best I think she found some shit that Hollis should have handled better but the details are too murky to even make a call on that.

I keep beating this drum, but everyone would have been better off if a more competent reporter like McMurphy or someone from Frontline or 60 Minutes took on the MSU story from the get go. The victims, the people that love MSU and everyone that got muddied up by that crap OTL story all deserved better.

I'm talking about the rumored upcoming story from Paula. The OTL bullshit from this past winter is in the rear view mirror for all but a few idiots, so no worries about that. What I'm saying is that if Urban goes over this, and then a month later Paula publishes the rumored story, then there are going to be very loud calls for Dantonio to go, and OSU will be head up as an example of how MSU should handle it. Hopefully the facts clear MD unequivocally, but the mob doesn't wait for, nor care about, the facts.

What are the facts of this rumored story? I don't want to wait.

[steveschneider]

I'm talking about the rumored upcoming story from Paula. The OTL bullshit from this past winter is in the rear view mirror for all but a few idiots, so no worries about that. What I'm saying is that if Urban goes over this, and then a month later Paula publishes the rumored story, then there are going to be very loud calls for Dantonio to go, and OSU will be head up as an example of how MSU should handle it. Hopefully the facts clear MD unequivocally, but the mob doesn't wait for, nor care about, the facts.

What are the facts of this rumored story? I don't want to wait.

Pure speculation but it has something to do with the womens basketball team and the football team.

I don't buy it. There's so many reporters around the program at all times, something credible would have come out at this point.

[MiamiSpartan]

What are the facts of this rumored story?  I don't want to wait.  

Pure speculation but it has something to do with the womens basketball team and the football team.

I don't buy it. There's so many reporters around the program at all times, something credible would have come out at this point.

I'm definitely skeptical of the validity of the incident, but not that Paula is writing a piece about it that will make it sound like it's 100% fact that Dantonio and Merchant are co-conspirators in a criminal cover up.

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