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Post by DWags 2018-11-13, 08:41

Even though it will be legal.



To the MSU campus community:
One of the outcomes of the election on November 6 was the passage of Proposal 1, which will legalize possession and use of marijuana by individuals 21 years and older.
We would like to remind everyone that this new state law will not change policies prohibiting the use or possession of marijuana on any property owned or managed by MSU, and by MSU’s faculty, staff, or students on any MSU property or during off-campus MSU business or events.
Marijuana use remains illegal and fully criminalized according to federal law, and MSU is subject to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act Amendment of 1989. In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.
Employees and students who violate university policy prohibiting the use or possession of illegal drugs on campus will continue to be subject to legal and disciplinary action. For more information, please see the FAQ sheet posted online.
Sincerely,
Denise Maybank, Vice President and Associate Provost, Student Affairs and Services
Vennie Gore, Vice President, Auxiliary Enterprises
Sharon Butler, Associate Vice President, Human Resources
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Post by steveschneider 2018-11-13, 08:52

What about during tailgating?
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Post by NigelUno 2018-11-13, 08:54

DWags wrote:Even though it will be legal.



To the MSU campus community:
One of the outcomes of the election on November 6 was the passage of Proposal 1, which will legalize possession and use of marijuana by individuals 21 years and older.
We would like to remind everyone that this new state law will not change policies prohibiting the use or possession of marijuana on any property owned or managed by MSU, and by MSU’s faculty, staff, or students on any MSU property or during off-campus MSU business or events.
Marijuana use remains illegal and fully criminalized according to federal law, and MSU is subject to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act Amendment of 1989. In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.
Employees and students who violate university policy prohibiting the use or possession of illegal drugs on campus will continue to be subject to legal and disciplinary action. For more information, please see the FAQ sheet posted online.
Sincerely,
Denise Maybank, Vice President and Associate Provost, Student Affairs and Services
Vennie Gore, Vice President, Auxiliary Enterprises
Sharon Butler, Associate Vice President, Human Resources

Seems like a very poorly worded statement.

Why not just say it falls under the current no smoking policy?
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2018-11-13, 09:01

IOW, our drug laws in this country are an effing mess. Do we really need these workplace and schools acts if drugs were illegal federally in the first place?
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Post by Guest 2018-11-13, 09:09

Campus has gone backward. We used to divvy pounds up with our dorm room door open and the RA checking in to see the buds.
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Post by Jake from State Farm 2018-11-13, 09:10

Floyd Robertson wrote:IOW, our drug laws in this country are an effing mess. Do we really need these workplace and schools acts if drugs were illegal federally in the first place?

How else is ELPD going to charge you with 15 different counts for the one offense?
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2018-11-13, 18:29

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:Even though it will be legal.



To the MSU campus community:
One of the outcomes of the election on November 6 was the passage of Proposal 1, which will legalize possession and use of marijuana by individuals 21 years and older.
We would like to remind everyone that this new state law will not change policies prohibiting the use or possession of marijuana on any property owned or managed by MSU, and by MSU’s faculty, staff, or students on any MSU property or during off-campus MSU business or events.
Marijuana use remains illegal and fully criminalized according to federal law, and MSU is subject to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act Amendment of 1989. In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.
Employees and students who violate university policy prohibiting the use or possession of illegal drugs on campus will continue to be subject to legal and disciplinary action.  For more information, please see the FAQ sheet posted online.
Sincerely,
Denise Maybank, Vice President and Associate Provost, Student Affairs and Services
Vennie Gore, Vice President, Auxiliary Enterprises
Sharon Butler, Associate Vice President, Human Resources

Seems like a very poorly worded statement.

Why not just say it falls under the current no smoking policy?
Is smoking prohibited everywhere on campus?  I have no idea since I'm never up there, but if so, then this is a good point, though I think they went for the Federal Law angle, which is certainly stronger than the University's policy.

But if not, how do these laws that they cite work?  They make it sound like MSU is unable to even choose to allow it on campus if they wanted to because they're bound by federal law.  If that's the case, you can't really complain about MSU's position.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-11-13, 18:38

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:Even though it will be legal.



To the MSU campus community's:
One of the outcomes of the election on November 6 was the passage of Proposal 1, which will legalize possession and use of marijuana by individuals 21 years and older.
We would like to remind everyone that this new state law will not change policies prohibiting the use or possession of marijuana on any property owned or managed by MSU, and by MSU’s faculty, staff, or students on any MSU property or during off-campus MSU business or events.
Marijuana use remains illegal and fully criminalized according to federal law, and MSU is subject to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act Amendment of 1989. In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.
Employees and students who violate university policy prohibiting the use or possession of illegal drugs on campus will continue to be subject to legal and disciplinary action. For more information, please see the FAQ sheet posted online.
Sincerely,
Denise Maybank, Vice President and Associate Provost, Student Affairs and Services
Vennie Gore, Vice President, Auxiliary Enterprises
Sharon Butler, Associate Vice President, Human Resources

Seems like a very poorly worded statement.

Why not just say it falls under the current no smoking policy?
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Post by NigelUno 2018-11-13, 20:01

Dr. Strangelove wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Seems like a very poorly worded statement.

Why not just say it falls under the current no smoking policy?
Edibles my man edibles

Good point.

I don't understand the federal law angle.  Is MSU going to have the FBI set up shop on campus?  

And this statement...

In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.

They serve alcohol at Kellogg Center and in the suites at Spartan Stadium.
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Post by tGreenWay 2018-11-13, 20:02

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:Even though it will be legal.



To the MSU campus community:
One of the outcomes of the election on November 6 was the passage of Proposal 1, which will legalize possession and use of marijuana by individuals 21 years and older.
We would like to remind everyone that this new state law will not change policies prohibiting the use or possession of marijuana on any property owned or managed by MSU, and by MSU’s faculty, staff, or students on any MSU property or during off-campus MSU business or events.
Marijuana use remains illegal and fully criminalized according to federal law, and MSU is subject to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act Amendment of 1989. In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.
Employees and students who violate university policy prohibiting the use or possession of illegal drugs on campus will continue to be subject to legal and disciplinary action. For more information, please see the FAQ sheet posted online.
Sincerely,
Denise Maybank, Vice President and Associate Provost, Student Affairs and Services
Vennie Gore, Vice President, Auxiliary Enterprises
Sharon Butler, Associate Vice President, Human Resources

Seems like a very poorly worded statement.

Why not just say it falls under the current no smoking policy?

Because MSU wouldn’t face the loss of federal funding if it withdrew its No Tobacco policy. I agree, it’s not well written, but it’s truthful. In fact, I would’ve preferred to see MSU remind students they face loss of loan and financial aid eligibility for convictions of certain drug crimes, including weed. Especially so with the current president in office.
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Post by Dr. Strangelove 2018-11-13, 20:03

Federal law angle is because MSU has to abide by federal law (all of them) to get that sweet sweet cash from Uncle Sugar
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Post by tGreenWay 2018-11-13, 20:05

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Federal law angle is because MSU has to abide by federal law (all of them) to get that sweet sweet cash from Uncle Sugar

Ha! Ha! Beat you by a whole minute, Doc! MSU reinforcing the weed warning with a letter.   2275418548
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Post by tGreenWay 2018-11-13, 20:06

And just to answer Miami’s question, as I mentioned in my post above, it’s No Tobacco on campus, period. Smoking, chewing, vaping, whatevs.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2018-11-13, 21:52

Sounds like nazi Germany
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Post by Watch Out Pylon! 2018-11-13, 22:48

The war on drugs is over. Drugs won.
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That 2018-11-13, 22:56

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:The war on drugs is over. Drugs won.

It’s not over, it’s just starting.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2018-11-14, 06:31

NigelUno wrote:
Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Edibles my man edibles

Good point.

I don't understand the federal law angle.  Is MSU going to have the FBI set up shop on campus?  

And this statement...

In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.

They serve alcohol at Kellogg Center and in the suites at Spartan Stadium.
Did you miss the word "unlawful" at the beginning of that sentence?
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Post by NigelUno 2018-11-14, 08:23

MiamiSpartan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Good point.

I don't understand the federal law angle.  Is MSU going to have the FBI set up shop on campus?  

And this statement...



They serve alcohol at Kellogg Center and in the suites at Spartan Stadium.
Did you miss the word "unlawful" at the beginning of that sentence?

I guess my point is there seem to be different rules in different buildings, regardless of whether something is "lawful".

And will MSU Campus Police be authorized to arrest people based on some Federal Law (even though Michigan law allows it)?
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Post by DWags 2018-11-14, 08:30

All I know is that I sent my kid the letter. She's in the dorm, and whn stuff like this happens, the cops love to make examples of some kids right away and publicize it heavily so others get the message.
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Post by Travis of the Cosmos 2018-11-14, 08:33

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:Even though it will be legal.



To the MSU campus community:
One of the outcomes of the election on November 6 was the passage of Proposal 1, which will legalize possession and use of marijuana by individuals 21 years and older.
We would like to remind everyone that this new state law will not change policies prohibiting the use or possession of marijuana on any property owned or managed by MSU, and by MSU’s faculty, staff, or students on any MSU property or during off-campus MSU business or events.
Marijuana use remains illegal and fully criminalized according to federal law, and MSU is subject to the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 and the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act Amendment of 1989. In addition, the MSU Drug and Alcohol Policy prohibits the unlawful manufacture, distribution, dispensation, possession, and use of controlled substances, illicit drugs, and alcohol on property governed by the Board of Trustees and at any site where university work is performed.
Employees and students who violate university policy prohibiting the use or possession of illegal drugs on campus will continue to be subject to legal and disciplinary action.  For more information, please see the FAQ sheet posted online.
Sincerely,
Denise Maybank, Vice President and Associate Provost, Student Affairs and Services
Vennie Gore, Vice President, Auxiliary Enterprises
Sharon Butler, Associate Vice President, Human Resources

Seems like a very poorly worded statement.

Why not just say it falls under the current no smoking policy?
Technically that policy is “tobacco free campus” not “smoking free campus” so that wouldn’t apply.

I think at least.
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Post by MiamiSpartan 2018-11-14, 09:27

NigelUno wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
Did you miss the word "unlawful" at the beginning of that sentence?

I guess my point is there seem to be different rules in different buildings, regardless of whether something is "lawful".

And will MSU Campus Police be authorized to arrest people based on some Federal Law (even though Michigan law allows it)?
In any city, area, etc., there are different rules for different buildings when it comes to alcohol sales, smoking, etc. You're just learning this now?

Also, it is not unusual for municipalities, areas, campuses, etc. to have laws/rules differing from state laws, and the local cops enforce the local law.
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Post by NigelUno 2018-11-14, 09:31

MiamiSpartan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I guess my point is there seem to be different rules in different buildings, regardless of whether something is "lawful".

And will MSU Campus Police be authorized to arrest people based on some Federal Law (even though Michigan law allows it)?
In any city, area, etc., there are different rules for different buildings when it comes to alcohol sales, smoking, etc. You're just learning this now?

Also, it is not unusual for municipalities, areas, campuses, etc. to have laws/rules differing from state laws, and the local cops enforce the local law.

But in this case the cops will be enforcing a federal law?

Sorry...that seems unusual to me.

Thanks for the chat.
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