Seven democrat screw ups

by RQA 2021-11-01, 08:43

The border
Inflation
Energy independence
Crime
Education
Race relations
Afghanistan

by TrapperGus 2021-11-01, 09:03

Disagree on:

The border
Inflation
Energy Independence
Crime
Education
Race Relations
Afghanistan

If you expand on any of those then we can discuss.

by **Cameron** 2021-11-01, 09:40

The Democrats are squandering a great opportunity to do something transformative and earn a lot of good will. Ol' Fuck Schumer apparently has no ability to get Senate Democrats on the same page. It's all rather pathetic.

by AvgMSUJoe 2021-11-01, 09:50

Yeah... people's complaints of the Dems and RQAs bizzaro-world view are not on the same plane of existence.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-01, 09:51

Cameron wrote:The Democrats are squandering a great opportunity to do something transformative and earn a lot of good will. Ol' Fuck Schumer apparently has no ability to get Senate Democrats on the same page. It's all rather pathetic.

Since Senator's don't rely on the party to provide the funding for their campaigns Schumer has limited levers to force the tiresome twosome to behave.

Committee assignments are about the only thing, and "you don't use a sledgehammer to kill a fly"

by **GRR Spartan** 2021-11-01, 17:27

RQA is a professional schtick who had to move when Trevor shutdown Wells.

Different board. Same MO.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-01, 18:45

GRR Spartan wrote:RQA is a professional schtick who had to move when Trevor shutdown Wells.

Different board. Same MO.

Those of us who spent time on Wells know RQA well.

He feeds on the oxygen of comments like the ones you are making.

Please stop. All you are doing is providing a foothold for his continued idiocy.

The posters on the Swill see through his posting style already, and his posts will die here if you, and I, stop responding in a Wells fashion. Take on his points, if you like. Stop trying to teach the Swill what he is.

by Pervis Muldoon 2021-11-01, 22:18

RQA wrote:The border
Inflation
Energy independence
Crime
Education
Race relations
Afghanistan

You voted for a guy who suggested injecting disinfectants.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2021-11-01, 22:26

TrapperGus wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:RQA is a professional schtick who had to move when Trevor shutdown Wells.

Different board. Same MO.

Those of us who spent time on Wells know RQA well.

He feeds on the oxygen of comments like the ones you are making.

Please stop. All you are doing is providing a foothold for his continued idiocy.

The posters on the Swill see through his posting style already, and his posts will die here if you, and I, stop responding in a Wells fashion. Take on his points, if you like. Stop trying to teach the Swill what he is.

by **Rocinante** 2021-11-02, 16:14

Cameron wrote:The Democrats are squandering a great opportunity to do something transformative and earn a lot of good will. Ol' Fuck Schumer apparently has no ability to get Senate Democrats on the same page. It's all rather pathetic.

What’s he supposed to do. If they can get anything passed it will be a monumental achievement with those two douchecanoes in the senate. It’s just another reminder that everyone should be working to get MORE PROGRESSIVES elected. The system we have is the system we have. Until we have a solid majority, it’s what we have to work with.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-11-02, 16:54

While all seven are debatable, one thing that's not is the other parties ability to win elections is now dependant on acceptance of the racist elements within the party.

And they don't view it as a screw up.

by RQA 2021-11-02, 18:19

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
RQA wrote:The border
Inflation
Energy independence
Crime
Education
Race relations
Afghanistan

You voted for a guy who suggested injecting disinfectants.

You voted for this guy.

by Pervis Muldoon 2021-11-02, 22:57

RQA wrote:
Pervis Muldoon wrote:

You voted for a guy who suggested injecting disinfectants.

You voted for this guy.

I did. He cleared the bar by not being Donald Trump.

by **Rocinante** 2021-11-03, 00:20

Yeah any stuffed suit would have worked for me. I was a Warren stan all the way though. It sucks that she didn’t get further. Gotta take a chance on a real, exciting progressive. The votes will come.

by RQA 2021-11-03, 09:37

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
RQA wrote:

You voted for this guy.

I did. He cleared the bar by not being Donald Trump.

We have (so far) the 7 Xiden screw-ups in my OP but at least there are no more mean tweets!

by RQA 2021-11-03, 09:39

Rocinante wrote: Gotta take a chance on a real, exciting progressive. The votes will come.

Sincerely,
Terry McAuliffe

by **Cameron** 2021-11-03, 11:49

I'm not a Terry McAuliffe expert, but I don't think he fits the bill...

by **GRR Spartan** 2021-11-03, 14:39

The troll keeps trollin’

by TrapperGus 2021-11-04, 09:43

Cameron wrote:I'm not a Terry McAuliffe expert, but I don't think he fits the bill...

From what people are saying his campaign really screwed up.

He is not a progressive, however, he is more like a centrist, code word for conservative democratic, like the Clintons.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-04, 17:09

Rocinante wrote:Yeah any stuffed suit would have worked for me. I was a Warren stan all the way though. It sucks that she didn’t get further. Gotta take a chance on a real, exciting progressive. The votes will come.

How did Inida Walton do in Buffalo? I saw AOC endorsed her.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-04, 18:08

steveschneider wrote:
Rocinante wrote:Yeah any stuffed suit would have worked for me. I was a Warren stan all the way though. It sucks that she didn’t get further. Gotta take a chance on a real, exciting progressive. The votes will come.

How did Inida Walton do in Buffalo? I saw AOC endorsed her.

She lost. Addressed this in one of the other threads. Republicans find it too easy to scare people if their opponent is a woman. Gender is probably good for 5 to 10% more votes if the candidate is a man. Much higher effect than race.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-04, 19:34

TrapperGus wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

How did Inida Walton do in Buffalo? I saw AOC endorsed her.

She lost. Addressed this in one of the other threads. Republicans find it too easy to scare people if their opponent is a woman. Gender is probably good for 5 to 10% more votes if the candidate is a man. Much higher effect than race.

No question misogyny is a hell of a drug. We saw this as well when Trump dominated the white woman vote vs Hillary.

The larger point here is the far left comes out saying we need more exciting candidates and we see over and over again in 2022 those 'exciting' candidates lose. If the far left wants the party they need to win a few districts the dnc traditionally can't win. Pull that off and the party is theirs.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-04, 19:38

steveschneider wrote:
TrapperGus wrote:

She lost. Addressed this in one of the other threads. Republicans find it too easy to scare people if their opponent is a woman. Gender is probably good for 5 to 10% more votes if the candidate is a man. Much higher effect than race.

No question misogyny is a hell of a drug. We saw this as well when Trump dominated the white woman vote vs Hillary.

The larger point here is the far left comes out saying we need more exciting candidates and we see over and over again in 2022 those 'exciting' candidates lose. If the far left wants the party they need to win a few districts the dnc traditionally can't win. Pull that off and the party is theirs.

Sadly from a equality perspective those exciting candidates have a better chance if they are male. race is not as big an issue, which is why we had a minority President and we didn't have a female one.

by **Turtleneck** 2021-11-04, 23:12

Did anybody go to this republican rally? Seems like an event that might have had some decent food trucks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/02/texas-qanon-believers-back-theory-trump-reinstated/6255234001/

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-05, 09:29

TrapperGus wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

No question misogyny is a hell of a drug. We saw this as well when Trump dominated the white woman vote vs Hillary.

The larger point here is the far left comes out saying we need more exciting candidates and we see over and over again in 2022 those 'exciting' candidates lose. If the far left wants the party they need to win a few districts the dnc traditionally can't win. Pull that off and the party is theirs.

Sadly from a equality perspective those exciting candidates have a better chance if they are male. race is not as big an issue, which is why we had a minority President and we didn't have a female one.

Sadly another form of bigotry as well is ageism. Seeing a lot of 'send out a younger more exciting candidate...' takes.

Also, pure anecdotal evidence but I vote in every election in town. Outside of the presidential election if I ever want to feel young I just go vote because in my mid 40's I'm always the youngest person there. Apathy is still a problem.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-05, 09:46

steveschneider wrote:
TrapperGus wrote:

Sadly from a equality perspective those exciting candidates have a better chance if they are male. race is not as big an issue, which is why we had a minority President and we didn't have a female one.

Sadly another form of bigotry as well is ageism. Seeing a lot of 'send out a younger more exciting candidate...' takes.

Also, pure anecdotal evidence but I vote in every election in town. Outside of the presidential election if I ever want to feel young I just go vote because in my mid 40's I'm always the youngest person there. Apathy is still a problem.

It all goes to show that voters don't seem to make their choices on hard policy issues, which is the big mistake the Democratic Party keeps making.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-05, 09:57

TrapperGus wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Sadly another form of bigotry as well is ageism. Seeing a lot of 'send out a younger more exciting candidate...' takes.

Also, pure anecdotal evidence but I vote in every election in town. Outside of the presidential election if I ever want to feel young I just go vote because in my mid 40's I'm always the youngest person there. Apathy is still a problem.

It all goes to show that voters don't seem to make their choices on hard policy issues, which is the big mistake the Democratic Party keeps making.

Yep, couldn't agree more. I saw a few strategist suggest that Dems need to move towards plain language messaging on how bad repubs are, provide red meat messaging and fight to lead the discussion around what's on the ballot. A good start would be to broadcast today's job reports. Those numbers are YUGE!

by RQA 2021-11-05, 09:58

steveschneider wrote:
TrapperGus wrote:

She lost. Addressed this in one of the other threads. Republicans find it too easy to scare people if their opponent is a woman. Gender is probably good for 5 to 10% more votes if the candidate is a man. Much higher effect than race.

No question misogyny is a hell of a drug. We saw this as well when Trump dominated the white woman vote vs Hillary.

The larger point here is the far left comes out saying we need more exciting candidates and we see over and over again in 2022 those 'exciting' candidates lose. If the far left wants the party they need to win a few districts the dnc traditionally can't win.

You need to be a bit realistic here. The country is not "far left". This board may be, your faculty lounge may be, but the country is not. Outside of a few far left enclaves on the coasts and urban areas, socialists and AOCs just aren't going to win.

Trump didn't beat HRC because of misogyny. He beat her because he was only the 2nd worst presidential candidate of all time. If you're going to play the race card you are somehow going to have to explain the new Lt Gov of VA.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-05, 10:11

RQA wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

No question misogyny is a hell of a drug. We saw this as well when Trump dominated the white woman vote vs Hillary.

The larger point here is the far left comes out saying we need more exciting candidates and we see over and over again in 2022 those 'exciting' candidates lose. If the far left wants the party they need to win a few districts the dnc traditionally can't win.

You need to be a bit realistic here. The country is not "far left". This board may be, your faculty lounge may be, but the country is not. Outside of a few far left enclaves on the coasts and urban areas, socialists and AOCs just aren't going to win.

Trump didn't beat HRC because of misogyny. He beat her because he was only the 2nd worst presidential candidate of all time. If you're going to play the race card you are somehow going to have to explain the new Lt Gov of VA.

I am talking about the people who refuse to vote for female candidates, not race at all, so no one but you is it "playing the race card".

Since you brought it up what you are hanging your hat on are "token" male minority candidates that the Republicans are recruiting. Looking at the Republicans in office verses the Democratics in office the number of women and minorities are far higher for the Democratics. The Republicans see this and are putting forth a few female and minority candidates so people who vote for them can pretend that racism isn't a big motivator for many Republican voters. Even the representation in office for the Democratics for females hardly matches the general population distribution, which if there wasn't a bias it would.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-05, 10:11

RQA wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

No question misogyny is a hell of a drug. We saw this as well when Trump dominated the white woman vote vs Hillary.

The larger point here is the far left comes out saying we need more exciting candidates and we see over and over again in 2022 those 'exciting' candidates lose. If the far left wants the party they need to win a few districts the dnc traditionally can't win.

You need to be a bit realistic here. The country is not "far left". This board may be, your faculty lounge may be, but the country is not. Outside of a few far left enclaves on the coasts and urban areas, socialists and AOCs just aren't going to win.

Trump didn't beat HRC because of misogyny. He beat her because he was only the 2nd worst presidential candidate of all time. If you're going to play the race card you are somehow going to have to explain the new Lt Gov of VA.

I already understand the country is not far left you should preach that to a few others on here. Also nah, there's so much data that indicates misogyny is a factor and not just in elections. I know the right feels like victims when this stuff is brought up but that's not my problem.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-05, 10:16

steveschneider wrote:
RQA wrote:

You need to be a bit realistic here. The country is not "far left". This board may be, your faculty lounge may be, but the country is not. Outside of a few far left enclaves on the coasts and urban areas, socialists and AOCs just aren't going to win.

Trump didn't beat HRC because of misogyny. He beat her because he was only the 2nd worst presidential candidate of all time. If you're going to play the race card you are somehow going to have to explain the new Lt Gov of VA.

I already understand the country is not far left you should preach that to a few others on here. Also nah, there's so much data that indicates misogyny is a factor and not just in elections. I know the right feels like victims when this stuff is brought up but that's not my problem.

I disagree on policy and agree on "social issues". On policy the country is far to the left of where the policies are.

On social issues the white privilege and male privilege still has support. After all, critical race theory is all about how white privilege & male privilege are built into the legal systems of the country.

by TrapperGus 2021-11-07, 08:00

New York Times investigation of the police ...

A seatbelt ticket. A cracked taillight. A broken headlight.

These minor offenses resulted in the deaths of unarmed motorists at the hands of police officers. In a Times investigation of traffic stops that left more than 400 people dead over the past five years, the police justified the shootings by arguing that the vehicle was a weapon.

In about 250 cases, The Times found that police officers had fired into vehicles that they claimed posed a threat. Relative to the population, Black motorists were overrepresented among those killed.

Over the past five years, nine officers have been fatally run over, pinned or dragged by drivers in vehicles. But in many instances, local police officers, state troopers and sheriff’s deputies put themselves at risk. Some officers who fatally shot motorists didn’t appear to be in any jeopardy at all, The Times investigation showed.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-23, 10:42

Seven GOP Screw Ups:

1. Allowing them selves to become the party of Trump.
2. Being the party that embraces Q
3. Anti Global Warming Party
4. The Big Lie and all the other lies
5. Racism
6. Fascist extremist
7. Pro covid party

by Pervis Muldoon 2021-11-23, 20:36

steveschneider wrote:Seven GOP Screw Ups:

1. Allowing them selves to become the party of Trump.
2. Being the party that embraces Q
3. Anti Global Warming Party
4. The Big Lie and all the other lies
5. Racism
6. Fascist extremist
7. Pro covid party

It must've been difficult to keep the list at seven.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-24, 08:29

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Seven GOP Screw Ups:

1. Allowing them selves to become the party of Trump.
2. Being the party that embraces Q
3. Anti Global Warming Party
4. The Big Lie and all the other lies
5. Racism
6. Fascist extremist
7. Pro covid party

It must've been difficult to keep the list at seven.

Big time. It’s funny we even are being asked to split hairs over what a conservative, republicans or maga is. When you see Bill Kristol, David Frum, George Will etc voting for Hillary and Joe that tells you everything you need to know. The days of the Yaley National Revue William F. Buckley type is over. Anyone serious about this country gets that.

by AvgMSUJoe 2021-11-24, 13:01

steveschneider wrote:Seven GOP Screw Ups:

1. Allowing them selves to become the party of Trump.
2. Being the party that embraces Q
3. Anti Global Warming Party
4. The Big Lie and all the other lies
5. Racism
6. Fascist extremist
7. Pro covid party

Embracing conspiracy as a fundamental view of the party.

Allowing un-accountable entities steer the entire party for their own self-interest.

by **steveschneider** 2021-11-24, 16:33

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Seven GOP Screw Ups:

1. Allowing them selves to become the party of Trump.
2. Being the party that embraces Q
3. Anti Global Warming Party
4. The Big Lie and all the other lies
5. Racism
6. Fascist extremist
7. Pro covid party

Embracing conspiracy as a fundamental view of the party.

Allowing un-accountable entities steer the entire party for their own self-interest.

Paying a porn star hush money because he thought the porn star looked like his daughter.

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