David price to tigers

3 team deal

 

Who is he?

Smyly and Jackson gone

WHAT A FUCKING AWESOME TRADE

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Smyly and Jackson gone

As I asked in the A's thread, who's going to play CF every day?

Now you have three Cy young winners in your rotation going into the playoffs. Unreal.

Ass Dan wrote:Now you have three Cy young winners in your rotation going into the playoffs. Unreal.

Playoffs?

What a steal. aJax on a career long downward trend and our 5th starter. Very happy we retain Ricky

Heat Miser wrote:

As I asked in the A's thread, who's going to play CF every day?

Posted over there as well..

Rajia LF JD Martinez CF/RF Torii Hunter CF/RF

Tigers need a bat - only VMart and Miggy hitting right now.

steveschneider wrote:

Posted over there as well..

Rajia LF JD Martinez CF/RF  Torii Hunter CF/RF

No way imo. Torii absolutely cannot play CF. His range is Magglio-esque.

They likely will either call up Carrera and platoon him with Davis until Dirks is healthy.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

No way imo. Torii absolutely cannot play CF. His range is Magglio-esque.

They likely will either call up Carrera and platoon him with Davis until Dirks is healthy.

I don't follow ML players at all, how good is Carrera? Also, any chance we see Dirks this year?

Dirks is starting his rehab assignment. Carrera is a light hitting 27 year old LH CF with speed. He's had a cup of tea in the majors and started some for the Indians a few years back.

I had to look this up myself.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carreez01.shtml

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Dirks is starting his rehab assignment. Carrera is a light hitting 27 year old LH CF with speed. He's had a cup of tea in the majors and started some for the Indians a few years back.

I had to look this up myself.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carreez01.shtml

Yikes. Hope he pans out.

The kid who is playing CF in Toledo may get a shot...Ezequiel is his first name.

Ezequiel Carrera....and he isn't a kid but is 27 years old. Batting .307 and OPS .809

Not expecting much from Dirks, just because he may be physically healthy doesn't change the fact that he hasn't played much baseball for 10 months.

ancientspartan wrote:The kid who is playing CF in Toledo may get a shot...Ezequiel is his first name.

Looking into it we down grade at CF, I think its pretty unlikely any of these players are going to be better than AJ.

Great trade, and if we lose Scherzer after this year then we still have Sanchez, Price, Verlander and Porcello. If we lose Scherzer we'll have some money to go after a few big free agents.

How many more years is T Hunter going to play? Might have to revamp the OF after this year.

Heat Miser wrote:

As I asked in the A's thread, who's going to play CF every day?

I bet we could get Quintin Berry back for 2 coneys and a half eaten bag of barbecue chips

...and E. Carrera mentioned above bats and throws left so fills a need for a left handed bat in the lineup should the bring him up to replace one of the departing Tigers.

Heat Miser wrote:

As I asked in the A's thread, who's going to play CF every day?

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UNOFFICIAL: @MudHens just pulled lineup off the board. Expect a move up to #Tigers to replace Jackson. GUESS: Ezequiel Carrera.

I freaking LOVE this trade.

We lose A-Jax but gain Price in the rotation? I'll take that every day of the week. Price throws absolute gas from the left side.

steveschneider wrote:

Looking into it we down grade at CF, I think its pretty unlikely any of these players are going to be better than AJ.

Great trade, and if we lose Scherzer after this year then we still have Sanchez, Price, Verlander and Porcello. If we lose Scherzer we'll have some money to go after a few big free agents.

How many more years is T Hunter going to play? Might have to revamp the OF after this year.

Hunter is a free agent after this year. If he resigns its going to be for a lot less than his current. 14 mill per year.

OK, I'll be that guy. In a 3 game playoff series, does Verlander even get a start?

All things being equal, I say no. But the timing of the rotation going into the playoffs might let it happen.

Will this guy from Toledo dive for a ball? If so, we won the trade.

Jackson, who played in 99 games, the Tigers lose a CF who is a .270 batter (10th out of 16 Qualified CF) and a .730 OPS (10th out of 16 as well). He's fielding .984 (12th out of 16). In 66 games J.D. is hitting .320 with a OPS of .948 and .989 fielding. In 82 games Rajai is hitting .295 with .760 OPS and .981 fielding. If Dirks can come back and be a .260 batter (had one .320 season sandwiched between two .250 campaigns; career .276 is just as good as Jackson's .277). Carrera is a prototypical 4th or 5th OF hitting .250 in his MLB career with fielding .981. Even though the Tigers took a step back in the OF, the improvement in pitching is by far better than what they lose.

The Lonely Stoner wrote:Jackson, who played in 99 games, the Tigers lose a CF who is a .270 batter (10th out of 16 Qualified CF) and a .730 OPS (10th out of 16 as well). He's fielding .984 (12th out of 16). In 66 games  J.D. is hitting .320 with a OPS of .948 and .989 fielding. In 82 games Rajai is hitting .295 with .760 OPS and .981 fielding. If Dirks can come back and be a .260 batter (had one .320 season sandwiched between two .250 campaigns; career .276 is just as good as Jackson's .277). Carrera is a prototypical 4th or 5th OF hitting .250 in his MLB career with fielding .981. Even though the Tigers took a step back in the OF, the improvement in pitching is by far better than what they lose.

Those are kinda BS #s though. I'm not a sabermetrics guy, but anyone with half of an eye knows that AJ is a better fielder than Davis or JD. He was not an all world CF by any means but JD and Davis have major deficiencies and brain farts in the field. Jackson covers a lot of ground and picks up the ball well.

I am a fan of the trade but let's be honest, the OF Defense is going to be disastrous without Carrera or another addition. Dirks kinda sorta might be a stop gap but he's not going to cover up for Davis/JD and Torii/JD either.

We'll live with it but let's not try to make this thing into a win-win. There were sacrifices made here.

Also it should be pointed out that while Ajax was VERY streaky, if the Tigers are looking towards Carrera as an every day CF, they now have 2.5 major holes in their lineup - Avila/Holladay, Carrera, and Suarez/Romine. I like Suarez a lot, and think he's pretty competent at the plate, but he's gonna be a liability there come the postseason.

Man I'm really torn on this thing. I mean I would do it 10 times out of 10....because Price. But the Tigers need to make a couple post-waivers moves to make this thing worth it. Do we have any true baseball nerds here? Where did you go bulldogg? Who might be available via waivers?

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Those are kinda BS #s though. I'm not a sabermetrics guy, but anyone with half of an eye knows that AJ is a better fielder than Davis or JD. He was not an all world CF by any means but JD and Davis have major deficiencies and brain farts in the field. Jackson covers a lot of ground and picks up the ball well.

I am a fan of the trade but let's be honest, the OF Defense is going to be disastrous without Carrera or another addition. Dirks kinda sorta might be a stop gap but he's not going to cover up for Davis/JD and Torii/JD either.

We'll live with it but let's not try to make this thing into a win-win. There were sacrifices made here.

I don't know two shits about baseball. My friends are big time into this shit and call me as a last resort for free tix... 80% of the time I tell them to DIAF. I also workout at the same gym as Pat Caputo.

But seems to me we just traded an average CF for an elite starting pitcher. This is a win-win-win.

Nordic wrote:

I don't know two shits about baseball.  My friends are big time into this shit and call me as a last resort for free tix... 80% of the time I tell them to DIAF. I also workout at the same gym as Pat Caputo.

But seems to me we just traded an average CF for an elite starting pitcher. This is a win-win-win.

No,not exactly. You have to take into account replacements.

Let's talk football equivalent. Elite SP is about equivalent to Elite WR. Touches the ball one out of every 5 plays.

Average CF is like Average MLB. QB of the Defense. Anchors your unit. Does a decent job. You are now replacing him with a guy who is too slow to play WILL and too weak to play SAM.

I don't think this is their end game. I think they're looking at a CF they can pick up during the waiver period. Or whatever. Who knows, I'm not an expert on that.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

No,not exactly. You have to take into account replacements.

Let's talk football equivalent. Elite SP is about equivalent to Elite WR. Touches the ball one out of every 5 plays.

Average CF is like Average MLB. QB of the Defense. Anchors your unit. Does a decent job. You are now replacing him with a guy who is too slow to play WILL and too weak to play SAM.

I don't think this is their end game. I think they're looking at a CF they can pick up during the waiver period. Or whatever. Who knows, I'm not an expert on that.

Jackson in 2014
- WAR:1.8
- WAA: .4
- oWAR: 1.7
- dWAR: .4
- RF/9: 2.58

Davis in 2014
- WAR: 1.0
- WAA: -.1
- oWAR: 1.5
- dWAR: -.7
- RF/9: 2.17

Martinez in 2014
- WAR: 2.4
- WAA: 1.5
- oWAR: 2.3
- dWAR: -.2
- RF/9: 1.83

Smyly in 2014
- WAR: 1.9
- WAA: 1.1

Price in 2014
- WAR: 2.6
- WAA: 1.1

Your football comparison is off base. The catcher is usually considered the "QB" of the defense making sure the infield defense is properly positioned. OF are usually directly positioned from the bench and all three need good communication between one another. As for the amount of plays each position is involved in, SP are by far and away the #1 influence on a game. So far in 2014, Price has pitched 170.2 innings (512 outs, faced 689 batters) and has 189 SO (37% of outs). Jackson has 416 PA (370 AB) and 251 fielding chances (245 PO) in 862.2 innings (2588 outs) which converts to 9% of outs. Price has given up 59 ER this year to Smyly's 42 (100.1 innings = 301 outs). That means Price is getting 8.68 outs per earned run compared to Smyly's 7.16. Over the course of the rest of the season (57 games = 11 starts) Price (22 outs/start) is estimated to get 242 outs while giving up 28 runs. Smyly on the other hand (18 outs/start) will get 198 outs who would also give up 28 runs, however on 20% less outs. The more I think about this trade, this was primarily done because of the bullpen. Like I've said before, the best way to hide under performing relievers is to have starters who are able to go deep into games, which now the Tigers have four.

Nordic wrote:

I don't know two shits about baseball.  My friends are big time into this shit and call me as a last resort for free tix... 80% of the time I tell them to DIAF. I also workout at the same gym as Pat Caputo.

But seems to me we just traded an average CF for an elite starting pitcher. This is a win-win-win.

Pat Caputo goes to a gym? Does he lift a lot?

The Lonely Stoner wrote:


Jackson in 2014
- WAR:1.8
- WAA: .4
- oWAR: 1.7
- dWAR: .4
- RF/9: 2.58

Davis in 2014
- WAR: 1.0
- WAA: -.1
- oWAR: 1.5
- dWAR: -.7
- RF/9: 2.17

Martinez in 2014
- WAR: 2.4
- WAA: 1.5
- oWAR: 2.3
- dWAR: -.2
- RF/9: 1.83

Smyly in 2014
- WAR: 1.9
- WAA: 1.1

Price in 2014
- WAR: 2.6
- WAA: 1.1

Your football comparison is off base. The catcher is usually considered the "QB" of the defense making sure the infield defense is properly positioned. OF are usually directly positioned from the bench and all three need good communication between one another. As for the amount of plays each position is involved in, SP are by far and away the #1 influence on a game. So far in 2014, Price has pitched 170.2 innings (512 outs, faced 689 batters) and has 189 SO (37% of outs). Jackson has 416 PA (370 AB) and 251 fielding chances (245 PO) in 862.2 innings (2588 outs) which converts to 9% of outs. Price has given up 59 ER this year to Smyly's 42 (100.1 innings = 301 outs). That means Price is getting 8.68 outs per earned run compared to Smyly's 7.16. Over the course of the rest of the season (57 games = 11 starts) Price (22 outs/start) is estimated to get 242 outs while giving up 28 runs. Smyly on the other hand (18 outs/start) will get 198 outs who would also give up 28 runs, however on 20% less outs. The more I think about this trade, this was primarily done because of the bullpen. Like I've said before, the best way to hide under performing relievers is to have starters who are able to go deep into games, which now the Tigers have four.

Yeah I agree with you on both counts. Catcher is for sure the QB of the defense, and the trade does in fact bolster the bullpen. I was just trying to make a comparison that would make sense to Nordy.

The concern remains that the CF position/OF defense as a whole is going to be spectacularly craptastic when Carrera isn't out there. And I guess I'm just assuming he's decent because I keep reading that he's a "true CF".

Carrera should be interesting

Just read an Mlive article from Iott. He says Carrera isn't a particularly good defensive SF. Defensive WAR of -.1 during his time in the majors.

I guess he's almost average, which is a tad better than Davis. Is it possible to find stats on Davis dWAR when in CF vs. when in LF?

Bad WAR? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Why the Rays' seemingly small return for David Price is a good thing

What they (the Rays) traded for instead was greater certainty, greater odds of lower ceilings. The value they got is the value of being young and major-league ready.

Seems to be a mixture of spin and logic.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Pat Caputo goes to a gym? Does he lift a lot?

No, usually hits the ellipticall and then works on his half court jumpers

Cosmo_Kramer wrote:Bad WAR? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

What is it good for?