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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-05-09, 11:07

The Biden administration, and increasingly both parties, have moved to skepticism towards consolidated corporate power. In 2016, the Republicans and Democrats included commentary about anti-monopoly in their party platforms for the first time in decades. Both Trump and Biden brought ground-breaking antitrust suits against Google, and experts on both sides have come to recognize that there is a serious monopoly crisis in America, with a lack of competition across the board in sectors as diverse as search engines, agribusiness, and airlines. This concentration crisis fosters inequality, damages innovation and productivity, harms incomes, and transforms entire industries into ‘kill zones’ where no one will invest.

A recognition of the problem is shaping policy. In the summer of 2021, the Biden administration issued an executive order making competition a centerpiece of the White House’s economic agenda, with minimal pushback from the GOP. Biden is following a broader social trend of seeing markets as politically constructed.

Last year, Congress moved for the first strengthening of antitrust law in decades, allowing state AGs an easier time to bring cases. It also passed the CHIPS Act, recognizing that semiconductors matter to the U.S., and that the ‘free market’ isn’t a thing. Similar deliberate policy choices are happening in electric vehicles, solar panels, and fossil fuels.

The national security world is a key forum for this debate; military leaders have recognized the devastation that monopolies have wrought on the defense base. Indeed, Jake Sullivan, the head of the National Security Council, offered a death knell to the old philosophy when criticizing America’s old global economic strategy vis-a-vis China. “There was one assumption at the heart of all of this policy,” he said, “that markets always allocate capital productively and efficiently—no matter what our competitors did, no matter how big our shared challenges grew, and no matter how many guardrails we took down… The shocks of a global financial crisis and a global pandemic laid bare the limits of these prevailing assumptions.” Here too there are consequences; the Department of Defense and Federal Trade Commission worked together to block the merger of Lockheed Martin and Aerojet.

And yet, this epiphany, that markets are politically structured and don’t have a will of their own, hasn’t made it to one very important place: the judiciary. The same week Sullivan gave his speech, a panel of three D.C. Circuit Court judges struck down a monopolization case against Facebook on the grounds that markets self-correct. "Many innovations may seem anti-competitive at first but turn out to be the opposite,” wrote the panel, “and the market often corrects even those that are anti-competitive." The D.C. Circuit Court panel was bipartisan, and included Republican appointees Karen L. Henderson and Raymond Randolph, as well as Obama appointed judge Robert Wilkins.

https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/all-rise-how-judges-rule-america

This highlights the problem with unregulated markets.  Without regulation markets turn into monopolies, or something close to that, thus regulation limited the market share is how competition and the ideal of markets is maintained. This article also points out that markets are always politically created, they are not a naturally occurring thing.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-05-11, 11:00

https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-economic-message-that-will-get

Why are the Fed’s rate hikes having so little effect?

Because inflation is not being propelled by an overheated economy. It’s being propelled by overheated profits.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-05-18, 08:12

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/18/once-a-fringe-theory-greedflation-gets-its-due

Once dismissed as a fringe theory, the idea that corporate thirst for profits drives up inflation, aka "greedflation," is now being taken more seriously by economists, policymakers and the business press.

Why it matters: Though inflation is starting to come down, it still remains well above the Fed's target level of 2%, and understanding what's causing inflation is key to combatting it — now and the next time.

The idea that profits drove our current bout of inflation surfaced in the last few years among progressive economists and lawmakers but was waved away by more mainstream types as a "conspiracy theory." That changed earlier this year.

In a speech in January, then-Fed vice chair Lael Brainard said wages weren't the main driver of inflation and pointed to a "price-price spiral," where companies mark up prices far higher than the increases in their input costs.

In March, the chief economist at UBS Global Wealth Management, Paul Donovan, published a note on "profit margin-led inflation," describing how in late 2022 and into this year, companies — particularly retailers and consumer goods makers — convinced consumers that they needed to raise prices. (They didn't really.)

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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2023-05-18, 10:05

It's all about Capitalism right? Ya need legit competition for Capitalism to happen. Even right-wingers would tell you this (in theory).

China/Mexico flooding the market with low cost goods isn't the problem, the fact that 'merican goods cost so damn much is the problem. With most/many corporations having record profits year after year, and the middle class and poors not getting a cut of the gains means someone else is. "Business people" will NEVER admit this, because it is the antithesis of what they believe (essentially, greed is good... the more I make, the better for EVERYONE).

Unless their are market pressures to be the "low cost" supplier for a good/service, there will only be a high cost ones...
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2023-05-18, 10:34

AvgMSUJoe wrote:It's all about Capitalism right? Ya need legit competition for Capitalism to happen. Even right-wingers would tell you this (in theory).

China/Mexico flooding the market with low cost goods isn't the problem, the fact that 'merican goods cost so damn much is the problem. With most/many corporations having record profits year after year, and the middle class and poors not getting a cut of the gains means someone else is. "Business people" will NEVER admit this, because it is the antithesis of what they believe (essentially, greed is good... the more I make, the better for EVERYONE).

Unless their are market pressures to be the "low cost" supplier for a good/service, there will only be a high cost ones...

Let's not forget the impact of consolidation in EVERY industry, which results in less competition with 2-3 players in every category.

Pretty soon all restaurants will be Taco Bell.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-05-18, 10:44

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AvgMSUJoe wrote:It's all about Capitalism right? Ya need legit competition for Capitalism to happen. Even right-wingers would tell you this (in theory).

China/Mexico flooding the market with low cost goods isn't the problem, the fact that 'merican goods cost so damn much is the problem. With most/many corporations having record profits year after year, and the middle class and poors not getting a cut of the gains means someone else is. "Business people" will NEVER admit this, because it is the antithesis of what they believe (essentially, greed is good... the more I make, the better for EVERYONE).

Unless their are market pressures to be the "low cost" supplier for a good/service, there will only be a high cost ones...

Let's not forget the impact of consolidation in EVERY industry, which results in less competition with 2-3 players in every category.

Pretty soon all restaurants will be Taco Bell.

Olive Garden owns Ruth Chris now.

What is sad about all this is that the Chairman of the Fed still thinks wages are what is causing inflation.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-06, 08:20

Thom Hartman says stock buy backs should be illegal.

So, you’d think that if America’s biggest companies were spending roughly a trillion dollars every year they were doing something important with it.

You’d think that maybe they were doing it because the government had provided them with some incentive, either direct payments or tax advantages, to do it.

Sadly, you’d be wrong: that’s very much not the case.

Not one penny of that nearly $2 trillion in 2021 and 2022 went to developing new products, promoting existing products, paying employees better, building new facilities, or supporting the communities in which they operate.

Instead, virtually all of that money went straight into the pockets of shareholders, senior executives, and CEOs who are compensated with stock and stock options.

Before Reagan, this was a felony; CEOs who executed share buybacks just to artificially inflate stock prices could go to prison.

FDR criminalized share buybacks in the early 1930s because they’re simply a form of stock price manipulation and were one of the main reasons for the stock market crash of 1929 that kicked off the Republican Great Depression.

Which super-illustrates the point that there’s nothing magical, normal, or “natural” about national economies. They’re not the result of immutable laws, any more than the NFL’s rules for football are.

The rules of marketplaces are created by governments, and governments decide who will benefit from those rules.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/what-happens-when-corporations-are-804

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Another take by an economist...

Instead, without warning, her career began to implode. Just before New Year’s Eve, while Weber was on the bunny slopes, a short article on inflation that she’d written for the Guardian inexplicably went viral. A business-school professor called it “the worst” take of the year. Random Bitcoin guys called her “stupid.” The Nobel laureate Paul Krugman called her “truly stupid.” Conservatives at Fox News, Commentary, and National Review piled on, declaring Weber’s idea “perverse,” “fundamentally unsound,” and “certainly wrong.”

But Weber’s argument was carefully grounded in history. Price controls, she argued, had been an essential element of the U.S. mobilization strategy during the Second World War. And there were several striking similarities between the economy of the nineteen-forties and that of the present day, including very high consumer demand for goods, record corporate profits, and production bottlenecks in important areas. Back then, the Office of Price Administration simply prohibited companies from raising prices above certain levels.

The initiative worked. During the First World War, inflation had run rampant. During much of the Second, it was close to two per cent. And yet factories were operating at peak levels. If contemporary policymakers could do the same thing, Weber argued, they could limit inflation without inducing layoffs and wage cuts.

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The German “price brake” is currently scheduled to run through April, 2024. After almost four months in operation, inflation in Germany fell to 7.4 per cent, the first time that it had dipped below eight per cent in half a year. And Germany’s example seems to have encouraged broader initiatives. In February, the European Union began implementing a separate price cap on natural gas that applies to the entire Eurozone. Weber’s fundamental point that corporate profits are a key driver of today’s inflation is now openly embraced by the establishment on multiple continents. Researchers at the Kansas City Federal Reserve recently concluded that corporate price markups may have accounted for more than half of the inflation experienced by the U.S. in 2021. Weber’s ideas have shifted from “truly stupid” to sound economic practice, supported by an ideologically broad coalition.

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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-13, 08:46

Seems like the Fed is finally waking up to the fact that wage increases are not driving inflation.

Will they start to advocate for taxes on price gouging? Don't hold your breath.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-12/fed-backs-away-from-wages-focus-bolstering-case-for-rate-pause#xj4y7vzkg
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-17, 09:50

It is pretty ironic that an economist doesn't see that the first two waves were also greedflation.

Although US consumer prices provided further signs of relief for consumers in April, there are still factors keeping inflation elevated — and corporations may be reaping the benefits of that.

"We've had a really unfortunate situation where we've had three very, very different inflation waves caused by very different things," UBS Global Wealth Management Chief Economist Paul Donovan told Yahoo Finance (video above). "And they've just come one after the other. So it looks like you've had this continuous period of inflation."

The first wave, primarily in consumer durable goods, "was demand-led," Donovan explained. "That's over. Durable goods prices in the States are falling. You've got outright deflation."

That was followed by a second wave of supply-led inflation, he added, "and that was the energy shock coming out of the war in Ukraine." And then "the third wave of inflation — the one we're getting now — is this unusual profit-led inflation story."


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-us-is-now-facing-a-third-inflation-wave-economist-explains-075029389.html
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2023-06-18, 06:48

Why Isn’t Joe Biden Getting More Credit for a Big Drop in Inflation?

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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-18, 07:43

Floyd Robertson wrote:Why Isn’t Joe Biden Getting More Credit for a Big Drop in Inflation?


It happened on the same day as the Trump arraignment for being a Traitor to our country.

It’s not every day that a former President gets indicted—even though, with this former President, it is beginning to feel that way.

But the eclipse of the inflation figure is emblematic of a larger story, which is that the U.S. economy has done a lot better in the past year than most experts expected. This development, however, has largely failed to penetrate the public consciousness. With inflation down and unemployment at 3.7 per cent, the so-called misery index, which combines these two rates, is at 7.7 per cent. In January, 2021, when Joe Biden was inaugurated, the misery index was also at 7.7 per cent. (The inflation rate was 1.4 per cent and the unemployment rate was 6.3 per cent.) And, yet, according to the RealClearPolitics poll average, Biden’s approval rating has dropped from above fifty per cent during the first months of his Presidency to just 37.6 per cent now, with a disapproval rating of fifty-nine per cent. This is a disconnect that demands an explanation.

Economists often talk about lags in policy. It takes a while for changes in interest rates or taxes to feed through to the economy, but there are lags in public perception of the economy’s health, too. Although inflation has been falling for nearly a year, the process has been gradual, and people may be only starting to notice.

Maybe it is how the headline number is reported?  They take the price increases for the last year and report that.  Thus if prices go up 10% in one month and don't move for the next 11 months the news keeps reporting a 10% increase for the next 11 months while prices are not moving.  Meanwhile people are being told prices increased every month. - TG

This is largely because, despite the inflation rate falling over all in the past year, many individual prices still remain considerably higher than they were when Biden took office. “Economists tend to look at the rate of change of prices, rather than price levels,” Bernard Yaros, an economist at Moody’s Analytics, told me, on Friday. “Inflation is important, partly because it helps determine what the Federal Reserve will do. But most people tend to look at price levels. And, if you look at levels, it’s understandable why households are still downbeat.”

Still people do notice that prices have dropped.  I would guess that the perception issues are more about the unbalanced dichotomy between how people react to bad events versts how they react to good ones.  It is well known that people feel bad events much more deeply than they feel good events.  Fear is more powerful than joy. -TG

...but the media doesn’t face the same constraint. Last year, it provided blanket coverage of the inflation crisis, giving extensive airtime to inflation hawks like the Harvard economist Larry Summers, who said “we need five years of unemployment above five per cent to contain inflation.” Now that the inflation rate has come down further and more quickly than many so-called experts predicted, and without a big jump in the joblessness rate, surely the media should focus on this positive news, too.

And yes, the media uses the way people are to generate clicks.  If it bleeds it leads had been a well-known news measure and tactic for selling newspapers or clicks ever since commercial news became a thing. - TG

People are not hearing from the media about the falling inflation rates in the headlines, like they did with the increasing inflation rates.  That makes a difference too. - TG

As the election campaign proceeds, maintaining some media balance will be particularly important. There’s a danger that Trump will do what he’s done many times before: suck up all the attention and distract from anything positive in the records of his opponents. He can’t be held responsible for doing that this week; obviously, he didn’t want to be indicted
. Trump loves to have his name in print, anyone who thinks he isn't relishing his indictment is out of touch with what he is. - TG
But, even as the Trump saga continues, the media has a responsibility not to let it drown out other important stories, a category that most certainly includes the fall in inflation.

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Post by Motown Spartan 2023-06-18, 08:30

Floyd Robertson wrote:Why Isn’t Joe Biden Getting More Credit for a Big Drop in Inflation?


Inflation is his fault Floyd, but a drop in inflation is just cyclical and “how it works”.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-18, 09:11

Not on topic, but here is a link to a similar story, more about Biden's popularity than inflation.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/why-do-so-many-americans-think-biden-is-doing-a-bad-job.html
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“Higher interest rates haven’t stopped S&P companies, especially in the big food industry, from inflating consumer prices despite reporting billions in extra net earnings and over a trillion dollars in giveaways to wealthy investors,” said Liz Zelnick, the director of economic security and corporate power at the nonprofit Accountable.US, in a release.



https://thehill.com/business/economy/4057722-greedflation-is-the-new-inflation-as-corporate-profits-balloon-report/
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2023-06-20, 07:56

Trapper Gus wrote:

“Higher interest rates haven’t stopped S&P companies, especially in the big food industry, from inflating consumer prices despite reporting billions in extra net earnings and over a trillion dollars in giveaways to wealthy investors,” said Liz Zelnick, the director of economic security and corporate power at the nonprofit Accountable.US, in a release.



https://thehill.com/business/economy/4057722-greedflation-is-the-new-inflation-as-corporate-profits-balloon-report/

So, the $64,000,000,000 question is, what do we do about that?
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-20, 08:21

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So, the $64,000,000,000 question is, what do we do about that?

What should be done about it is to limit business profits via some sort of laws, though that said it becomes tricky from that point.

If you have laws to limit profits should you have laws to limit losses?

Do you create laws for an quisi-independent agency, such as the Fed, to use to limit profits and losses in some situations?

Do you "fix" the quisi-monopoly power of big business & the finance industry which capitalizes big business so that there is independent competition in the economy?

Do you do some of all of these?

Easiest idea, impossible to do, would be to negate all of the Acts concerning the economy from 1960, when this whole shebang of neoliberal economics started, until today.  

In the 1930's, during the FDR administration there were a pretty good set of laws and rules created, along with the enforcement of the anti-trust laws of the 1890's. and ever since we have been chipping away at making them less effective.
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2023-06-20, 08:33

Anti-Trust is definitely a major factor. The consolidation of every industry into oligopolies is not consumer-friendly. Regulating profit margins seems like it would be a huge step toward socialism, but limiting consolidation could negate that need.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-20, 08:38

Floyd Robertson wrote:Anti-Trust is definitely a major factor. The consolidation of every industry into oligopolies is not consumer-friendly. Regulating profit margins seems like it would be a huge step toward socialism, but limiting consolidation could negate that need.

Socialism?

A market economy is a social construction.  All economies are Socialism in some form, it is just how their structures pick the winners & losers.

If the structures as defined by the laws of the society do not perform the basic idea of a market economy, that is that labor is paid fairly for its contribution to society and capital gets a fair return for its contributions to society (the role of capital, which is of course just the stored value of past labor, could be argued about) then additional rules, such as in this case, taxes on profits to discourage price gouging during shocks to the economy, are warrented.  The 90% tax on incomes about some level performed this function from 1942 until 1966.

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FWIW this link, included in a different thread, breaks down some of the changes to the laws that got up here.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/6/3/2172881/-What-Happens-When-You-Tax-Billionaires-at-90-Percent
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-06-29, 08:57

Los Angeles, CA—California gasoline prices have dropped significantly and stabilized relative to national gas prices in the wake of the Governor’s call, and enactment of, California’s anti-gouging law, according to an analysis by Consumer Watchdog.

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/6/28/2178163/-CA-Anti-Gouging-Law-Has-Led-To-Lower-Gasoline-Prices-Consumer-Watchdog-Finds

Too bad we don't have the votes in the US Congress to get this done nationally.
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Post by Cameron 2023-06-29, 09:17

I would love to see that nationwide and for many more industries.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-11-26, 12:42

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/11/26/2207422/-Corporate-greed-and-the-price-of-eggs

I didn't think I could get any angrier about the idiots who say they blame Biden for high prices, but I was wrong.

Reading about how big food has been increasing egg prices for decades makes me see red.

Anyone who believes in private markets without tight regulations on profits is a fool.



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edit - December 4th - just another high profit area that creates profit (supply side) inflation...

tNYT Morning Newsletter wrote:Profits over incomes
The United States spends an average of about $13,000 per person every year on health care. No other country comes close to spending so much

What do Americans get for all this spending? Our health care system does tend to produce more innovation than many others. U.S. companies developed some of the first Covid vaccines, for example. (GD tNYT - the covid vaccines were developed by part of the US government's research and quickly passed onto commercial vaccine producers) But much of the spending does little to improve people’s lives. Despite all our spending, the U.S. has the lowest life expectancy of any high-income country

Twenty years ago, a group of researchers — Gerard Anderson, Uwe Reinhardt, Peter Hussey and Varduhi Petrosyan — published an academic paper that tried to solve the mystery. The title told the story: “It’s the prices, stupid.”

The main reason that U.S. health spending is so high is not that Americans are sicker than people elsewhere or are heavier users of medical care (although both those factors play a role). The main reason is that almost every form of care in the U.S. costs more: doctor’s visits, hospital stays, drug prescriptions, surgeries and more. The American health care system maximizes the profits of health care companies at the expense of families’ budgets.

You can find a poignant example in a series that The Times and KFF Health News (a nonprofit) have been publishing in recent weeks. It’s called Dying Broke, and it examines the long-term care industry. One major part of the industry is known as assisted living, a name for facilities that are home to about 850,000 older Americans who need help with daily activities — like getting dressed or taking medications — but who don’t need constant nursing care.

These facilities can be highly profitable. “Half of operators in the business of assisted living earn returns of 20 percent or more than it costs to run the sites, an industry survey shows,” Jordan Rau, a reporter for KFF, writes. “That is far higher than the money made in most other health sectors.”

Many facilities, Jordan explains, “charge $5,000 a month or more and then layer on extra fees at every step. Residents’ bills and price lists from a dozen facilities offer a glimpse of the charges: $12 for a blood pressure check; $50 per injection (more for insulin); $93 a month to order medications from a pharmacy not used by the facility; $315 a month for daily help with an inhaler.”

Other countries tend to hold down health care costs through regulation. Their government officials set prices that are high enough for health care providers to operate yet significantly lower than in the U.S. Policymakers here, by contrast, allow the market to operate more freely. But competition often fails to bring down prices because the health care sector is so complex, with opaque pricing and bureaucratic insurance plans.

It’s worth pointing out that the U.S. didn’t always have such high health care prices relative to other countries. The gap began to widen in the 1980s, as Austin Frakt, a health economist at Boston University, has pointed out. That decade also happens to be when the U.S. began moving more toward a laissez-faire economy.

(Related: A 2018 investigation in The Washington Post found that care deteriorated at a chain of nursing homes after the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm, took it over.)

The problems with long-term care in the U.S. involve much more than high prices, as Jordan and The Times’s Reed Abelson explain in the Dying Broke series. They also stem from our country’s aging population; slow income growth in recent decades that has left families without much savings; a broken long-term insurance market; a lack of subsidies to help Americans care for aging relatives at home (which is much cheaper than institutional care); and a patchwork, inefficient health sector.

Many other countries are also aging and struggling with long-term care. But the problems are worse in the U.S.


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One of the economic areas where inflation keeps out running the CPI is health care.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/12/6/2209955/-Not-happy-about-the-economy-There-is-good-news-and-better-targets-for-anger-about-it?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=more_community&pm_medium=web

The thing is, we have a standard story about why ’70s inflation was so hard to end, which relies on the way persistent inflation had become entrenched in expectations. But this clearly wasn’t the case in 2022. So while predictions of inflation in 2021 more or less reflected textbook macroeconomics, predicting stagflation after 2022 meant throwing out the textbook in favor of novel arguments for pessimism.

Furthermore, what struck me in 2022 was that the arguments that leading pessimists were making for persistent high inflation had no logical connection to the arguments they had made for a surge in inflation back in 2021. They were predicting the same thing but for completely different reasons. There was nothing linking the inflationist views of 2022 to those of 2021 except a shared pessimistic vibe.

And vibes are a poor basis for economic analysis. Indeed, vibe-based predictions of stagflation — vibeflation? — turn out to have been completely, you might say epically, wrong.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/12/7/2209989/-New-Civiqs-poll-Americans-say-inflation-won-t-be-solved-until-prices-drop

I get it and I don't disagree.  Allowing the wealthy to rip our hard fought earnings out of our hands via excessive profits sucks.

Free markets only work with no corporations or wealth concentrations.
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Even the right wing business MSM is noticing that recent inflation has been caused by price/profit gouging, not by wages.



https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/15/unlike-fed-theres-no-sign-corporate-america-is-about-to-cut-prices.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/excess-profits-of-big-firms-have-driven-up-inflation-report-claims.html
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Post by Floyd Robertson 2023-12-16, 08:33

Eggflation isn't over yet: Why experts say egg prices will be going up

Would it surprise anyone to find out that corporations have induced bird flu to their hen populations in order to keep egg prices high?

Not me.
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Floyd Robertson wrote:Eggflation isn't over yet: Why experts say egg prices will be going up

Would it surprise anyone to find out that corporations have induced bird flu to their hen populations in order to keep egg prices high?

Not me.
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The elephant in the room for all these price/profit increases, which in the case of eggs have been ongoing for decades, is that the consolidation of providers within markets, due to Reagan changing how anti-trust is enforced, means there is no competition among providers to cause prices/profits to drop.
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2023-12-16, 09:46

Right, the big secret no one (except maybe Warren) talks about is how anti-free market the Rs really are.

I think that's why the Rs attack Warren so hard...."the straw stirring the R drink" knows if the average turd listened to her they would be converts.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-01-21, 10:50

Since this was first reported, 18 months ago, more and more reports about what is now being called "greedflation" (as though corporations had never done this before /s) have come out.

Estimates are that over 50% of the price increases consumers have experienced are just due to companies increasing prices to increase profits.

While there were increases in their expenses, it should be obvious to anyone with a brain, that those increases to expenses for companies who sell directly to consumers are from companies further up the supply change increasing their profits without an increase in expenses, too.

Therefore, almost all of the price inflation is simply due to the wealthy taking more of the pie because they have the power to do so.

The have the power to do so because of 40 plus years of allowing corporations to become more powerful due to little to no anti-trust enforcement.

To be clear, this is what Ronald Reagan did to US.

It must be said that Joe Biden, with the prodding of progressives, especially Senator Warren, who was allowed to put smart progressives in positions of power in the administration, is the first President since probably Harry Truman to go after the power of big business in an active way.

https://fortune.com/2024/01/20/inflation-greedflation-consumer-price-index-producer-price-index-corporate-profit/
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2024-01-21, 12:41

Until the term is known by more people then just the readers of this thread... this won't get national traction.

Maybe senate hearing on increased earnings in the post pandemic economy?
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Post by sεяεηιτλ 2024-01-21, 21:11

ile there were increases in their expenses, it should be obvious to anyone with a brain, that t

well no shit.  It's basically price fixing/collusion on a mass scale.  If the general sentiment is that prices are going up, it becomes much more palatable to raise your prices.  If you don't, others will be as well and you'll potentially miss out.

I find it idiotic personally.  If you're in a competitive landscape that is generally raising prices like crazy, and your finances are doing alright, your best move is to probably stand pat and keep your prices stable.  Your customers will notice this, if they don't then tell them.  Then you will suck up so much damn market share while the other fools raise their prices.  long term, it's a great play.  Later if you are operating inefficiently, you can slowly raise prices anyways.

To be clear, just about everyone's expenses went up a lot in the last few years though. Some increase is in fact justified. It's just all been magnified much more than it should have been. Part of the issue is greedflation, another part is the fear of the unknown. If you're a business and you see your import expenses from china or europe suddenly cost 108% of what the products are worth, then you rightfully start freaking out and you have to wonder how bad it will get. In that climate, you may make bad decisions based on your feelings rather than actual data in a foolish attempt to prepare for the future.
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I'm as stupid as the next person, however I have quibble with a couple of your points.

IMO to have the competitive marketplace you talk about in your second paragraph there needs to be enough sellers in the marketplace that they are competing.  Many of the markets in the US (and the world) are each controlled by a handful of companies which are acting more like a cabal then like competitors.  (This is the result of 40 years of very poor anti-trust enforcement based on the ideas of Robert Bork, which has allowed companies to gain power by gaining significant market share) Therefore they see the opportunity to cash in with profit gouging while they already have as big a market share as they need to be viable for decades.

Just about everyone's expenses went up, it is the words "just about" which need to be examined.  In the goods supply chain where the expense increases occurred started with energy, which went up not because of expenses, but because of fear of shortages.  Not real shortages, just the fear they might occur in the future.  Increases shipping costs caused increased costs up and down the supply chains, and that caused everyone in the supply chains, starting with the shippers, to take the opportunity to price gouge.  Thus with multiple transactions from raw materials to retail sales the retailer can say with justification they are (partly) just passing on higher costs (and they are partly price gouging because of opportunity), but the reality is that there is price gouging in the supply chain causing the additional costs.  My guess is that in terms of actual expenses, there were very little change, even in energy, and this was just a rush all along the supply chain to take advange ot the fear levels to gouge for profits.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972/economists-are-reconsidering-how-much-corporate-profits-drive-inflation

https://www.ft.com/content/5876932e-ddf6-468e-b652-1f05edcb89bb
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Thank goodness no one will read this link...

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/01/american-oligarchy-introduction-essay-russia-ukraine-capitalism/

More than a century later, the philosophy of “the people’s lawyer,” as Brandeis was known, is again ascendant in Washington, challenging the long-dominant free-market orthodoxy of Milton Friedman’s Chicago School. The Biden administration has filled key regulatory roles with prominent members of the New Brandeis Movement. Besides Wu, who served for nearly two years on the National Economic Council before returning to academia last January, this includes Jonathan Kanter, who oversees the Justice Department’s antitrust division, and FTC chair Lina Khan. “Brandeis and many of his contemporaries feared that concentration of economic power aids the concentration of political power, and that such private power can itself undermine and overwhelm public government,” Khan wrote in 2018.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/how-gilded-age-lawmakers-saved-america-from-plutocracy/
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/15/2223504/-Most-Americans-blame-corporate-greed-for-inflation-Democrats-should-listen?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

In a newly released survey, the progressive consortium Navigator Research found that 85% of voters now view corporate greed as a cause of inflation, with 59% calling it a "major" factor—a 15-percentage-point increase since January 2022.
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Post by kingstonlake 2024-02-15, 11:08

Cool. I promise not to vote for a corporation for president.
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kingstonlake wrote:Cool. I promise not to vote for a corporation for president.

Most of the people running are bought by corporations, so that will be tricky.  Joe has sort of seen the light but there are plenty of corporate type Democratics, and the Republicans are completely in corporate pockets.

Why is it that the only real tool the Fed uses to control the economy are interest rates, and why is it that taxes in this country are regressive, not progressive.
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Post by Zurn 2024-02-16, 10:56

Trapper Gus wrote: why is it that taxes in this country are regressive, not progressive.

mmm....as my income goes up my taxes go up even more. But maybe my lawyer and accountant suck.
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Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote: why is it that taxes in this country are regressive, not progressive.

mmm....as my income goes up my taxes go up even more.    But maybe my lawyer and accountant suck.  

First of all, any conversation about taxes must be in percentage of income, dollars are meaningless in this context.

Second, taxes include all taxes, income tax is only part of the picture.

FWIW all taxes are pretty much flat in percentages, the upper 20% pay about 5% more than their income & the lower 40% pay about 2% less than their income.

The top 0.01% pay a much lower percentage of their income, their income taxes are more like 5% of their income whereas the rest of the top 20% pay more like about 30% of their income in taxes.

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Post by Floyd Robertson 2024-02-16, 13:30

Great for the employees to get a piece, but you don't get that haul without gouging customers.

Delta paying $1.4 billion in profit sharing payments to employees
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Floyd Robertson wrote:Great for the employees to get a piece, but you don't get that haul without gouging customers.

Delta paying $1.4 billion in profit sharing payments to employees

Only happening because Delta's labor force is unionized.
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