ACC football moving to a single division

InTenSity wrote:I understand the want to protect some rivalries, but I'm not sure I agree with it. It makes the competition unbalanced. Although I'm sure that College football isn't about balance. Although with how quickly the landscape is changing, even if they change how they do things every 5-7 years it could balance itself out.

tGreenWay wrote:

InTenSity wrote:I understand the want to protect some rivalries, but I'm not sure I agree with it. It makes the competition unbalanced. Although I'm sure that College football isn't about balance. Although with how quickly the landscape is changing, even if they change how they do things every 5-7 years it could balance itself out.

I get that, but I’d still want MSU to have its own protected series if (when) the B1G follows suit. tOSU, PSU, and umaa. Put the Nitwits as our last game of the regular season. It was easy to mock George when he first forced that rivalry upon us, but the man was right. It’s become a very good rivalry.

InTenSity wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

I get that, but I’d still want MSU to have its own protected series if (when) the B1G follows suit. tOSU, PSU, and umaa. Put the Nitwits as our last game of the regular season. It was easy to mock George when he first forced that rivalry upon us, but the man was right. It’s become a very good rivalry.

Ok, in that situation, lets say that PSU, has us, then Rutgers and Maryland. We are already at a disadvantage in the current landscape. We'd have to play 2 teams that have made the playoff's, and you'd have 3 out of the 3 B1G teams that have made the playoffs as protected games. Maybe set the schedule for 3 years, after that rebalance. You can keep some protected games, but find a way to try to even things out. I don't know, just spitballin and typing words on a messageboard.

InTenSity wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

I get that, but I’d still want MSU to have its own protected series if (when) the B1G follows suit. tOSU, PSU, and umaa. Put the Nitwits as our last game of the regular season. It was easy to mock George when he first forced that rivalry upon us, but the man was right. It’s become a very good rivalry.

Ok, in that situation, lets say that PSU, has us, then Rutgers and Maryland. We are already at a disadvantage in the current landscape. We'd have to play 2 teams that have made the playoff's, and you'd have 3 out of the 3 B1G teams that have made the playoffs as protected games. Maybe set the schedule for 3 years, after that rebalance. You can keep some protected games, but find a way to try to even things out. I don't know, just spitballin and typing words on a messageboard.

Nordic wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
Ok, in that situation, lets say that PSU, has us, then Rutgers and Maryland. We are already at a disadvantage in the current landscape. We'd have to play 2 teams that have made the playoff's, and you'd have 3 out of the 3 B1G teams that have made the playoffs as protected games. Maybe set the schedule for 3 years, after that rebalance. You can keep some protected games, but find a way to try to even things out. I don't know, just spitballin and typing words on a messageboard.

The Athletic did a proposal for this model and it was very fair. It was something like this..

MSU - UM, PSU, NW (swap Indiana if you want)
UM - MSU, OSU, some ragdoll
OSU - UM, PSU, some ragdoll
PSU - MSU, OSU, Maryland (swap in Rutgers if you want)

I think it is important to protect some rivlaries. Two would probably be enough, but then you get even more into the unbalanced schedules. I'm all for the ACC model.

tGreenWay wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
Ok, in that situation, lets say that PSU, has us, then Rutgers and Maryland. We are already at a disadvantage in the current landscape. We'd have to play 2 teams that have made the playoff's, and you'd have 3 out of the 3 B1G teams that have made the playoffs as protected games. Maybe set the schedule for 3 years, after that rebalance. You can keep some protected games, but find a way to try to even things out. I don't know, just spitballin and typing words on a messageboard.

Can’t compete with the big boys if you don’t play some of the big boys. Besides, those teams mean Spartan Stadium will be filled and noisy, much more so than any others, and big games usually get better tv time slots. But I get your point. Maybe rotate OSU every other year with Wiscy and/or Iowa. I just don’t think I want to play the Bucknuts once every three years.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



Can’t compete with the big boys if you don’t play some of the big boys. Besides, those teams mean Spartan Stadium will be filled and noisy, much more so than any others, and big games usually get better tv time slots. But I get your point. Maybe rotate OSU every other year with Wiscy and/or Iowa. I just don’t think I want to play the Bucknuts once every three years.

MSU/Wisconsin 2011 was a great rivalry that made the Big Ten look like a fun and exciting conference. Those two games were magical, and the teams played several close games in that era. But it doesn't do MSU any good to have more mandatory games against strong opponents, because it's hard to be at your best week after week. I'd be happy with Michigan/Wisconsin/Indiana.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

MSU/Wisconsin 2011 was a great rivalry that made the Big Ten look like a fun and exciting conference. Those two games were magical, and the teams played several close games in that era. But it doesn't do MSU any good to have more mandatory games against strong opponents, because it's hard to be at your best week after week. I'd be happy with Michigan/Wisconsin/Indiana.

Yeah, the " gotta beat the best to be the best" is a good theory and sounds macho and all, but football is a brutal game that takes a physical toll, so the best team could not win the single-division because the physical toll is harder to overcome against other good teams. Playing no one could make you a paper tiger that wins the conference and get embarrassed in a playoff, another ideal is to spread out the number of tough games.

DWags wrote:Not joking about Farmers vs. Engineers.

Top Agg schools (yes, it's science based) in the big ten:


OSU
Iowa
Purdue
Illinois
MSU
Indiana
Nebraska

Lets call the rest "engineering" schools, though we know the ones listed already have great engineering schools on their campus. I'm just breaking it down with lists I've seen as "top agg schools in america".



Then you have

UM
Rutgers
Maryland
PSU
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern

tGreenWay wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Yeah, the " gotta beat the best to be the best" is a good theory and sounds macho and all, but football is a brutal game that takes a physical toll, so the best team could not win the single-division because the physical toll is harder to overcome against other good teams. Playing no one could make you a paper tiger that wins the conference and get embarrassed in a playoff, another ideal is to spread out the number of tough games.

So you’re not saying don’t have the three protected teams I mentioned, but spread them out? I’m good with that. Keeping the teams I mentioned isn’t anything new; it’s what we’ve done for most of the time PSU has been in the conference. As for your macho comment, I’m not sure how to respond. I’m just wanting what we’ve had up until now. Those games are the ones we generally get the best exposure on tv. If we start adding to our schedule the perennially weaker teams from the west, we’ll see more noon kicks and fewer fans in the stands with those staying home bitching about the crappy home schedule. And yes, beating up on mid- to bottom-dwellers won’t be helpful in measuring how good we are, not will it help with any real preparation for the postseason.

I’d like to talk more about toughness and machismo, but I’m late for my nap.

DWags wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Penn State was started as an ag high school

Michigan also started as the high school system for Michigan

Purdue, otoh, is well known as an Engineering school

Listed as # 7 in the nation right behind #6 MSU and #5 Illinois.  Yeah I was also surprised.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/united-states/agricultural-sciences

DWags wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Penn State was started as an ag high school

Michigan also started as the high school system for Michigan

Purdue, otoh, is well known as an Engineering school

Listed as # 7 in the nation right behind #6 MSU and #5 Illinois.  Yeah I was also surprised.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/united-states/agricultural-sciences

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MiamiSpartan wrote:Are they members of the AAU or whatever?

Edit: They both are.

This would give the B1G the far and away the three largest markets, NYC, LA, and Chicago. That will play into the next TV deal negotiations.