Michigan with a Dem Majority

Was thinking what BIG things they could/should target with this rare chance to actually fix shit.

Retiree tax issue? School funding? (or was that a proposal when Engler's admin got it through) Kill "dark money" in state elections? (if possible?)

Hell, already sitting in a good place with re-districting, abortion, voting rights....(big deals other states are dealing with).

Retiree Tax Issue - low hanging fruit - yes
School funding - more problematic - something but what?
Dark money is State Elections - isn't that a federal issue?
Funding to Fix the Damm Roads - I'm all in on a tax on the wealthy for this one.

comprehensive and thorough K12 public school funding, sensible gun laws, examine the efficacy of these weird charter schools via transparency, worker protection (i.e. get rid of the "right to work" fiasco), etc.

it's a new day.. and it feels good to live in a state that values it's citizens, the workers, families and women.

Right to work

I do expect, unlike when the feds were all R under the orange conman, they will come up with a comprehensive list of shit to get done legislatively while the opportunity lasts.

Pretty positive though, if they do target guns in a big way... this won't last long.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I do expect, unlike when the feds were all R under the orange conman, they will come up with a comprehensive list of shit to get done legislatively while the opportunity lasts.

Pretty positive though, if they do target guns in a big way... this won't last long.

They did their list, which consisted of one legislative item, cut taxes for the rich & wealthy.

In the executive branch the list was to destroy the effectiveness of the regulatory agencies and they got a pretty good start on that, too.

Trapper Gus wrote:Retiree Tax Issue - low hanging fruit - yes

Trapper doesn't think he should pay taxes. Color me shocked!

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Right to work

Funny how liberals support mandatory union membership but won't buy American union made cars.

Right Bob?

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Retiree Tax Issue - low hanging fruit - yes

Trapper doesn't think he should pay taxes. Color me shocked!

Pay back your "loan" yet?

also, even though decent Michigan folks have enshrined abortion rights into the state Constitution, I hope the new Democratic leadership will take the archaic 1931 'pro-birth', anti-female law off the records permanently and maybe burn it on the steps of the Michigan Catholic Conference and Child Brothel building.

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Retiree Tax Issue - low hanging fruit - yes

Trapper doesn't think he should pay taxes. Color me shocked!

I don't think that the Republicans should have paid for their tax cut for the wealthy by raising the taxes on the retirees. Furthermore, I think it was despicable that the State set the Public Employees' Pension Rates with the assumption that they would not be taxed, and then turned around and taxed them.

RQA wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Right to work

Funny how liberals support mandatory union membership but won't buy American union made cars.

Right Bob?

If union membership were mandatory, only in my wildest dreams, then Bob's car would be union made.

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:

Funny how liberals support mandatory union membership but won't buy American union made cars.

Right Bob?

If union membership were mandatory, only in my wildest dreams, then Bob's car would be union made.

Gotta love when the guy makes his own counter argument as his main argument.

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:

Trapper doesn't think he should pay taxes. Color me shocked!

I don't think that the Republicans should have paid for their tax cut for the wealthy by raising the taxes on the retirees. Furthermore, I think it was despicable that the State set the Public Employees' Pension Rates with the assumption that they would not be taxed, and then turned around and taxed them.

So if you worked for the government you shouldn't have to pay taxes but everyone else should. Got it!

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:

Funny how liberals support mandatory union membership but won't buy American union made cars.

Right Bob?

If union membership were mandatory, only in my wildest dreams, then Bob's car would be union made.

Making union membership mandatory in Michigan wouldn't make Bob's cars of choice union made.   They would still be made in other states by other people with good jobs.

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I don't think that the Republicans should have paid for their tax cut for the wealthy by raising the taxes on the retirees.  Furthermore, I think it was despicable that the State set the Public Employees' Pension Rates with the assumption that they would not be taxed, and then turned around and taxed them.

So if you worked for the government you shouldn't have to pay taxes but everyone else should.   Got it!

The deal was that the State Pensions payments were lower because they were not taxed.  Rather than higher payments from the State and then payments back to the state an agreement was to cut out the middleman and just have the state keep the money.  That was until the Republicans fucked the Public Workers by taxing the pensions which had already had the taxes removed.

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

If union membership were mandatory, only in my wildest dreams, then Bob's car would be union made.

Making union membership mandatory in Michigan wouldn't make Bob's cars of choice union made.   They would still be made in other states by other people with good jobs.

This is my wildass dream, not yours. Mandatory union membership nation wide.

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:

Making union membership mandatory in Michigan wouldn't make Bob's cars of choice union made.   They would still be made in other states by other people with good jobs.

This is my wildass dream, not yours. Mandatory union membership nation wide.

You told me earlier Unions are almost dead.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

This is my wildass dream, not yours. Mandatory union membership nation wide.

You told me earlier Unions are almost dead.

And they are, much to my sadness, 60 years of moderate Democratics attacking them has had a huge effect.

Trapper Gus wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
You told me earlier Unions are almost dead.

And they are, much to my sadness, 60 years of moderate Democratics attacking them has had a huge effect.

I nominate you to organize all of the work from home progressives. I’m sure they won’t mind the union dues. And the online union meetings would be a real hoot.

Part of the problem here is that you have clearly no idea how easy that would be to do. Like you’re acting like it’s some impossible task and not actually easier to do than getting a bunch of people together in the same room at the same time

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Part of the problem here is that you have clearly no idea how easy that would be to do. Like you’re acting like it’s some impossible task and not actually easier to do than getting a bunch of people together in the same room at the same time

Then do it.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

And they are, much to my sadness, 60 years of moderate Democratics attacking them has had a huge effect.

I nominate you to organize all of the work from home progressives. I’m sure they won’t mind the union dues. And the online union meetings would be a real hoot.

I'm a proud union member for a few decades and I detest working from home.

I have the attention span of a caffeinated gnat and, as such, I need to be in the office if I ever plan on getting anything done.

RQA wrote:
Making union membership mandatory in Michigan wouldn't make Bob's cars of choice union made.   They would still be made in other states by other people with good jobs.

You've never actually been to Lansing have you? Especially since the chip supply chain issues?? You can't swing a dead cat without seeing vast parking lots of union made cars waiting for asian parts. Don't know how many employees GM has in the area, but it must be a metric shit ton since it's what... 5 different models produced within 15 minutes of each other?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I nominate you to organize all of the work from home progressives. I’m sure they won’t mind the union dues. And the online union meetings would be a real hoot.

I'm a proud union member for a few decades and I detest working from home.

I have the attention span of a caffeinated gnat and, as such, I need to be in the office if I ever plan on getting anything done.

Would that be an Asian or European gnat? (With a tip of my hat to Monte Python)

RQA wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Retiree Tax Issue - low hanging fruit - yes

Trapper doesn't think he should pay taxes.  Color me shocked!

Meanwhile the Russian Quisling Agent claims to live in MI when there automotive engineering jobs at Tier 1 suppliers in low tax AL, SC, TN and TX.

Of course he’d really have to live in MI to pay MI taxes.

This is literally an historic victory for Michigan.

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Funny how the whines from the Russian Quisling Agent start showing up after MI’s first redistricting by a non-partisan committee made up of Democrats and Republicans made it impossible for the GOP to sleep walk through 19 election cycles to win majorities in both houses because of the GOP lost control of the maps.

With the exception of the low population hinterlands, the GOP won’t be able to nominate the most extreme candidates in running in the primaries and expect them to win in the general elections except in districts where there are more people than tractors or bears.

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Trapper Gus wrote:This is literally an historic victory for Michigan.

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I truthfully never thought big would see the day. The GOP had such a stranglehold it was absurd. Thank God for redistricting. The outgoing GoP leaders are blaming redistricting, claiming that the people doing it are in the bag for democrats. Of course they ignore that every previous line drawing was 100% in the bag for Republicans the last 40 years. These people are incredibly unamerican. So happy they are out of power. But I don't expect too much action from the state but they will go after improving a couple key issues.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:This is literally an historic victory for Michigan.

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I truthfully never thought big would see the day. The GOP had such a stranglehold it was absurd. Thank God for redistricting. The outgoing GoP leaders are blaming redistricting, claiming that the people doing it are in the bag for democrats. Of course they ignore that every previous line drawing was 100% in the bag for Republicans the last 40 years. These people are incredibly unamerican. So happy they are out of power. But I don't expect too much action from the state but they will go after improving a couple key issues.

Fair, or at least not hugely unfair, though tilted Republican, districting plus a huge blue wave did this.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

RQA wrote:
Making union membership mandatory in Michigan wouldn't make Bob's cars of choice union made.   They would still be made in other states by other people with good jobs.

You've never actually been to Lansing have you? Especially since the chip supply chain issues?? You can't swing a dead cat without seeing vast parking lots of union made cars waiting for asian parts. Don't know how many employees GM has in the area, but it must be a metric shit ton since it's what... 5 different models produced within 15 minutes of each other?

I see those lots all over Metro Detroit. But has nothing to do with leftists claiming to support unions but won't be caught dead buying a union made car. Right Bob?

GRR Spartan wrote:

RQA wrote:

Trapper doesn't think he should pay taxes.  Color me shocked!

Meanwhile the Russian Quisling Agent claims to live in MI when there automotive engineering jobs at Tier 1 suppliers in low tax AL, SC, TN and TX.

Of course he’d really have to live in MI to pay MI taxes.

Want to rewrite that Gramps? Age, booze or anger makes it almost unreadable.

But, FYI, I live in Michigan and I am not an automotive engineer.

Time to move Russian Quisling Agent.

Alabama, Florida, Tennessee and Texas all need more white folks who are afraid of what happens when the GOP loses elections.

GRR Spartan wrote: white folks

Oh you mean the type leftists supported in MI 10 rather than the young black man.

Why is it i have no idea what you are talking about 90% of the time? (MI 10?)

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Why is it i have no idea what you are talking about 90% of the time? (MI 10?)

Maybe you're not that smart?

AvgMSUJoe wrote: (MI 10?)

But I will explain ...

MI 10 refers to the 10th Michigan House of Representative district.    The democrat candidate was Carl Marlinga and the republican John James.

Your fellow leftists have been decrying the racist Republican party but as the discussion went on it became clear that they were wishing that the old white guy (Marlinga) had won rather than the young black guy (James)

Now what else have I posted that you don't understand?

RQA wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote: (MI 10?)

But I will explain ...

MI 10 refers to the 10th Michigan House of Representative district.    The democrat candidate was Carl Marlinga and the republican John James.

Your fellow leftists have been decrying the racist Republican party but as the discussion went on it became clear that they were wishing that the old white guy (Marlinga) had won rather than the young black guy (James)

Now what else have I posted that you don't understand?

I don't understand why you think that supporting an old white guy who is against racist policies is worse than supporting a younger Black guy who supports racist policies?

RQA wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote: (MI 10?)

But I will explain ...

MI 10 refers to the 10th Michigan House of Representative district.    The democrat candidate was Carl Marlinga and the republican John James.

Your fellow leftists have been decrying the racist Republican party but as the discussion went on it became clear that they were wishing that the old white guy (Marlinga) had won rather than the young black guy (James)

Now what else have I posted that you don't understand?

So, if a politician, who happens to be a person of color, is anti lgbtq anti choice, anti body autonomy, pro big Pharma. Pro Wall Street bail outs but anti student loan bailouts, liberals should vote for this person because they are a person of color?


If you cant see how fucked up your values are, I can’t help you.