Just another day in paradise - Ban Guns!

An Illinois man is facing two felony gun possession counts after accidentally shooting himself in the leg while dreaming he was the victim of a break-in.

Motown Spartan wrote:Come on libtards, the blacks and the skirts shouldn't be able to vote, just ask the perfect and always right dead for 200+ years founding fathers.

Gun deaths jumped 50% among children and teens under 18 between 2019 and 2021, per a Pew Research Center analysis of separate CDC data.

In 2021, suicides accounted for more than half of U.S. gun deaths and over 80% of murders involved a firearm.

TravelinMan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I am.

You're anti abortion?

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You are kidding, right?

Absolutely.

Anyone who thinks a gun is going to protect them from the power of the government is an idiot.

The only protection we have is one I have never seen you fighting for, universal voting rights and fair districting.

Anyone who is registered and can pony up a valid ID should be allowed to vote.  

I don't really know much or understand districting.  I'll leave that to others to champion.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

You're anti abortion?

A sack of cells is not independently alive.  Religiously before 1868 it wasn't considered alive before quickening. Back when Jesus was (allegedly) alive it wasn't considered "alive" until it was breathing independently.

So today's anti-abortion zealots are full of shit with their definitions of life.

There is some question, well not much but for those few who don't get it I put that in, about the motives of the anti-abortion zealots. Most rational people understand the issue isn't abortion at all, it is all about males dominating females.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Anyone who is registered and can pony up a valid ID should be allowed to vote.  

I don't really know much or understand districting.  I'll leave that to others to champion.

Your lack of interest in districting means you don't understand that in gerrymandered states, which is most of them, the party with the power to set the districts is choosing its voters, insuring that they maintain their majorities.

In the past election the Rebs won the majority because a crooked judge in NY overturned the districts that the Dems in control of the State set up. The NY gerrymandering was to offset the gerrymandering in all the Red states.

This is a really big, and I mean Constitutionally big, deal.  If districting was done like California, Michigan and a handful of other states do it we would have a US House which reflected the popular voting, rather than on which where the Dems have to win the popular vote by between 5% to 10% more than the Rebs in order to have a majority.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

A sack of cells is not independently alive.  Religiously before 1868 it wasn't considered alive before quickening. Back when Jesus was (allegedly) alive it wasn't considered "alive" until it was breathing independently.

So today's anti-abortion zealots are full of shit with their definitions of life.

There is some question, well not much but for those few who don't get it I put that in, about the motives of the anti-abortion zealots. Most rational people understand the issue isn't abortion at all, it is all about males dominating females.

I'm about as pro-choice as it gets, so you're preaching to the choir here. Hell, I think you should be able to get an abortion up until the fetus is about 2 years old.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

A sack of cells is not independently alive.  Religiously before 1868 it wasn't considered alive before quickening. Back when Jesus was (allegedly) alive it wasn't considered "alive" until it was breathing independently.

So today's anti-abortion zealots are full of shit with their definitions of life.

There is some question, well not much but for those few who don't get it I put that in, about the motives of the anti-abortion zealots. Most rational people understand the issue isn't abortion at all, it is all about males dominating females.

I'm about as pro-choice as it gets, so you're preaching to the choir here. Hell, I think you should be able to get an abortion up until the fetus is about 2 years old.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I'm about as pro-choice as it gets, so you're preaching to the choir here. Hell, I think you should be able to get an abortion up until the fetus is about 2 years old.

There is a well know Libertarian philosophor who advocates that children and parents should chose each other, seems somewhat in line with your thought.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Your lack of interest in districting means you don't understand that in gerrymandered states, which is most of them, the party with the power to set the districts is choosing its voters, insuring that they maintain their majorities.

In the past election the Rebs won the majority because a crooked judge in NY overturned the districts that the Dems in control of the State set up. The NY gerrymandering was to offset the gerrymandering in all the Red states.

This is a really big, and I mean Constitutionally big, deal.  If districting was done like California, Michigan and a handful of other states do it we would have a US House which reflected the popular voting, rather than on which where the Dems have to win the popular vote by between 5% to 10% more than the Rebs in order to have a majority.

I know what it is, it's just not a topic I choose to follow closely. It's just more partisan bickering. I only have time in the day for so much, ya know?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I know what it is, it's just not a topic I choose to follow closely. It's just more partisan bickering. I only have time in the day for so much, ya know?

That depends on if you believe is self governance or not.

If you don't give a fuck about how this country is run then you are probably okay with your ignorance.

If you do want it run a particular way then either you are all in on this authoritative situation or you should be fighting like all getout to change it.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

That depends on if you believe is self governance or not.

If you don't give a fuck about how this country is run then you are probably okay with your ignorance.

If you do want it run a particular way then either you are all in on this authoritative situation or you should be fighting like all getout to change it.

Eh. I feel like you’ve got a good handle on it. I trust you.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Eh. I feel like you’ve got a good handle on it. I trust you.

My position will always be more democracy, fairness, as long as everyone is playing by the same rules. Right now with 50 states we have 50 sets of rules.

The only solution I see is enough votes in the US Congress to set up a fair set of rules, which the Dems tried in the 117th Congress but was blocked by Manchin & Sinema.

So you, trusting me, will be voting only for Dems for Congress, Senate & President from now on, until they pass a fair voting rights & districting law.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

My position will always be more democracy, fairness, as long as everyone is playing by the same rules.  Right now with 50 states we have 50 sets of rules.

The only solution I see is enough votes in the US Congress to set up a fair set of rules, which the Dems tried in the 117th Congress but was blocked by Manchin & Sinema.

So you, trusting me, will be voting only for Dems for Congress, Senate & President from now on, until they pass a fair voting rights & districting law.

That’s probable as things stand now.  We’ll see how it shakes out in the end.

Jake from State Farm wrote:My son was working land surveying in southwest Oregon. Apparently there was a homeless encampment nearby and one of the loonies started shooting at him. The guy missed him but kept shooting even after he yelled at the guy to make his presence known. The guy said you're on private property, he wasn't. Son called the cops and they came out and found the guy and arrested him. He claims he was shooting at a mountain lion. I've never heard of talking mountain lions, perhaps the guy was too far gone, or perhaps he just didn't want anyone messing with his homeless encampment. Son typically works out in the middle of nowhere surveying by himself and has never had any issues. He said eff it and is taking two weeks off to rethink his line of work.

Jake from State Farm wrote:My son was working land surveying in southwest Oregon. Apparently there was a homeless encampment nearby and one of the loonies started shooting at him. The guy missed him but kept shooting even after he yelled at the guy to make his presence known. The guy said you're on private property, he wasn't. Son called the cops and they came out and found the guy and arrested him. He claims he was shooting at a mountain lion. I've never heard of talking mountain lions, perhaps the guy was too far gone, or perhaps he just didn't want anyone messing with his homeless encampment. Son typically works out in the middle of nowhere surveying by himself and has never had any issues. He said eff it and is taking two weeks off to rethink his line of work.

TravelinMan wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:My son was working land surveying in southwest Oregon. Apparently there was a homeless encampment nearby and one of the loonies started shooting at him. The guy missed him but kept shooting even after he yelled at the guy to make his presence known. The guy said you're on private property, he wasn't. Son called the cops and they came out and found the guy and arrested him. He claims he was shooting at a mountain lion. I've never heard of talking mountain lions, perhaps the guy was too far gone, or perhaps he just didn't want anyone messing with his homeless encampment. Son typically works out in the middle of nowhere surveying by himself and has never had any issues. He said eff it and is taking two weeks off to rethink his line of work.

That's awful and I'm glad your son is safe.

The homeless and mental illness are becoming huge problems in this country.

kingstonlake wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

That's awful and I'm glad your son is safe.

The homeless and mental illness are becoming huge problems in this country.

Man, it's almost like there's a need for professionals at all levels amd age groups to explore, learn, study, review, and treat the varying forms of mental illnes.

kingstonlake wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

That's awful and I'm glad your son is safe.

The homeless and mental illness are becoming huge problems in this country.  

Man, it's almost like there's a need for professionals at all levels amd age groups to explore, learn, study, review, and treat the varying forms of mental illnes.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Man, it's almost like there's a need for professionals at all levels amd age groups to explore, learn, study, review, and treat the varying forms of mental illnes.

The market will fix it Kingston

The proposed 28th Amendment wouldn’t repeal the Second Amendment, but would add four safeguards supported by majorities of registered voters, in some cases massive majorities: mandatory universal background checks, a minimum purchase age of 21, a reasonable waiting period, and a ban on civilian purchases of assault weapons. Studies suggest such national standards would reduce suicides, homicides, and gun trafficking. Congress, states, and localities could add more restrictions under the amendment if they wanted.

Most constitutional amendment gambits are folly. But Newsom’s proposal is serious, and so is he.

Trapper Gus wrote:

The proposed 28th Amendment wouldn’t repeal the Second Amendment, but would add four safeguards supported by majorities of registered voters, in some cases massive majorities: mandatory universal background checks, a minimum purchase age of 21, a reasonable waiting period, and a ban on civilian purchases of assault weapons. Studies suggest such national standards would reduce suicides, homicides, and gun trafficking. Congress, states, and localities could add more restrictions under the amendment if they wanted.

Most constitutional amendment gambits are folly. But Newsom’s proposal is serious, and so is he.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/gavin-newsom-is-having-a-moment

If it were me, and not a practical politician, I would reduce all guns to single shot before reloading.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/gavin-newsom-is-having-a-moment

If it were me, and not a practical politician, I would reduce all guns to single shot before reloading.

And that's the problem with the national gun debate at the moment.

I read Newsom's proposal and thought it was pretty reasonable. I don't know if we really need to do it as a full on amendment or not, but the basics were pretty sound. I could totally support that.

Then some yahoo wades in and starts yapping about single shot guns and I kind of shut the whole thing down and stopped caring.

Jake from State Farm wrote:Another shoot em up. This time in south Lansing. Nobody dead, 5 or shot. According to the comments it's Governor Whitmer's fault because she's letting the Chinese build a battery factory in Michigan.

As the world realigns in the post-Cold War era, our cultural influence is a key factor that will help to determine whether we can build a new international system aligned with American interests. We need to use every resource we can to give our soft power a boost, including state support — something for which there is plenty of precedent in diplomatic history and U.S. policy.

The Oklahoma City shooting was the country’s 33rd mass killing of 2023, in which four or more people were killed, not including the assailant, within a 24-hour period, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in partnership with Northeastern University as of Aug. 17.

So far this year, the nation has witnessed the highest number on record of mass killings and deaths to this point in a single year. According to the database, there have been more than 560 mass killings since 2006, in which at least 2,900 people died and at least 2,000 were injured.