Just another brick in the wall.

I’m just about at the point of not caring at all

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Paying high schoolers. It’s inevitable, right?

It's like getting paid for a job interview. Crazy.

Have you seen the tv contracts?

duffy munn wrote:It's like getting paid for a job interview. Crazy.

Well shit, I would interview everywhere I could.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Have you seen the tv contracts?

Yes. But as Kingston said high schoolers are now getting paid before they even commit. Sooner or later this bubble is going to burst.

Dendrobates wrote:

duffy munn wrote:It's like getting paid for a job interview. Crazy.

Well shit, I would interview everywhere I could.

Quit your job and just go on interviews.

Motown Spartan wrote:

Dendrobates wrote:

Well shit, I would interview everywhere I could.

Quit your job and just go on interviews.

I would have phone sex with Mel for $5,000.00

DWags wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

Quit your job and just go on interviews.

I would have phone sex with Mel for $5,000.00

I’ll pay you $5 to have phone sex with me.

Let’s go Northern Michigan!

Motown Spartan wrote:

DWags wrote:

I would have phone sex with Mel for $5,000.00

I’ll pay you $5 to have phone sex with me.

No need to pay, I’ll blow your mind for free big boy

Thank God Congress is going to take care of this! I was getting worried.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Have you seen the tv contracts?

Apples and oranges.  And I will put my reputation up, wanting to pay the players and give them lifetime health insurance against anybody. I was saying that shit two decades ago on the other board and I was a pariah. Just was completely attacked. Times have changed.

But those high school kids demanding five grand for a visit only takes money away from the kids who are creating the television contracts. And please don’t give me the argument that without the high school kids the television contracts wouldn’t exist. Oh, yes, they would. If Michigan State pays the kid five grand, and he doesn’t sign here, but he goes to Ohio state, that television contract isn’t any less. And all the schools share equally in that contract.   So the money that high school kid is getting from Michigan State could be given to a Michigan State player is disappearing. And it’s disappearing into a kids hands that has absolutely no desire to ever come to Michigan State. He’s basically stealing from our players, like the old suits from net work did for years.

20 years ago on the other board, I was pissed at the suits at net work and the suits in the NCAA for stealing from kids. These high school kids are starting to do the same thing. Once again, the current players suffer.

duffy munn wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Have you seen the tv contracts?

Yes. But as Kingston said high schoolers are now getting paid before they even commit. Sooner or later this bubble is going to burst.

No it won’t. It’s the modern game. The money is finally flowing to the kids and that’s a good thing.

Motion to stop calling the adults who are being paid and are free to switch businesses that pay them to try to get a raise “kids”. They’re not kids. Never have been really. But they really, really aren’t now.

Schools can just say not to this can't they?

DWags wrote:I’m just about at the point of not caring at all

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I've already been there.

As it has been in my lifetime, players needed SOME type of compensation. At least for football and basketball. They sacrifice their time and their bodies for a multi-billion dollar sport that they never see a cent of, only to get a bullshit degree in return. I worked in graduate admissions for almost a decade. During that time, I reviewed transcripts for student athletes from both the Big Ten football and basketball programs in the state- I can tell you that the argument that they are getting a free degree is overstated. They take 4-5 years of blowoff classes, and leave school ill-prepared for life after athletics.

I'd much rather see the formation of a minor league for football and basketball. Let the high school students who have a shot at the NFL/NBA go pro right away. Take the big money out of the NCAA, and go back to a true student athlete system. I know that this will most likely never happen, so the NIL is probably the system that is most fair to the student athletes at this time. I don't like it, and it has made me focus more on soccer and hockey, but big money is going to continue ruining the big 2 sports until the system collapses.

Right, schools can stop this if they want. But fuck it... if the kid needs money to get an appearance fee, they won't be signing anyway.
Give them real world, lie like a rug on crootment... have "buy out" clauses on NIL... non compete agreements. Sue their ass if they leave. They want real world, give them real world.

Honestly, this seems like an urban legend kind of story. Who is paying the kids to take visits? The schools? Boosters?

IF a kid wants $5,000 for a visit, he ain't coming to your school.

I'm calling BS.

NigelUno wrote:Honestly, this seems like an urban legend kind of story.  Who is paying the kids to take visits?  The schools?  Boosters?

IF a kid wants $5,000 for a visit, he ain't coming to your school.  

I'm calling BS.  

I don’t think it’s about that player. If you pay 15k for the top 3 recruits to come visit your school and take cool pictures in the throne on the field that only your school has and definitely not any of the others, then posts it on their insta for all the other croots to see then maybe you’ll get a better shot at the croots that you actually do have a chance at just on the basis of this really good croot being interested.

That doesn’t work if the game of them being paid to be there is public though. So it seems like this is a problem that will probably take care of itself

Trapper Gus wrote:
Maybe separate the years in performance from actual classes, play football for 5 years, get financial credit to attend 5 years of classes later in time.

That has been my thought for some time. Let the players be full-time players. Once they exhaust their eligibility then they can go do the school thing. Maybe those that don't get drafted will respect the degree more once they realize they aren't an All-Pro talent. Give them six years worth of classes to earn their degree. Still give them the out of class support the last they get now. Many will need to because of the long layoff between high school and college classes. Think of it as a skip year x4.

gomersbro wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:
Maybe separate the years in performance from actual classes, play football for 5 years, get financial credit to attend 5 years of classes later in time.

That has been my thought for some time. Let the players be full-time players. Once they exhaust their eligibility then they can go do the school thing. Maybe those that don't get drafted will respect the degree more once they realize they aren't an All-Pro talent. Give them six years worth of classes to earn their degree. Still give them the out of class support the last they get now. Many will need to because of the long layoff between high school and college classes. Think of it as a skip year x4.

I mean, what you are describing is more or less a minor league. The players would have no affiliation with the school other than playing on the school's sports team. At that point, it stops being a student athlete system, and we may as well just create a true minor league system for players who are good enough to go to pro right out of high school. Just separate schools from the equation - let it be the East Lansing Spartans and the Ann Arbor Wolverines and pump as much money into it as a professional minor league franchise would spend.

CaptainSlow33 wrote:

gomersbro wrote:

That has been my thought for some time. Let the players be full-time players. Once they exhaust their eligibility then they can go do the school thing. Maybe those that don't get drafted will respect the degree more once they realize they aren't an All-Pro talent. Give them six years worth of classes to earn their degree. Still give them the out of class support the last they get now. Many will need to because of the long layoff between high school and college classes. Think of it as a skip year x4.

I mean, what you are describing is more or less a minor league. The players would have no affiliation with the school other than playing on the school's sports team. At that point, it stops being a student athlete system, and we may as well just create a true minor league system for players who are good enough to go to pro right out of high school. Just separate schools from the equation - let it be the East Lansing Spartans and the Ann Arbor Wolverines and pump as much money into it as a professional minor league franchise would spend.

If I'm just cheering for a uniform, then what's the point?
All of the reason any of us give shit about this is because of the warm fuzzies we have for our formative years at MSU. If the kids can't even pretend to care about the school, then fuck em and I'll watch the Lions (but probably not).

Have the NFL fund this shit and they can stop begging alums for money. (& lose the viewership too.)

Y’all don’t think your “diminishing interest“ has anything to do with the msu football program being a dumpster fire for the better part of 7 years? And the uofm program with a chance to win 3 big ten ships in a row?

Seems like some convenient timing to claim you don’t care and all of sudden mind the deep dark side of college athletics that’s ALWAYS been there

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

CaptainSlow33 wrote:

I mean, what you are describing is more or less a minor league. The players would have no affiliation with the school other than playing on the school's sports team. At that point, it stops being a student athlete system, and we may as well just create a true minor league system for players who are good enough to go to pro right out of high school. Just separate schools from the equation - let it be the East Lansing Spartans and the Ann Arbor Wolverines and pump as much money into it as a professional minor league franchise would spend.

If I'm just cheering for a uniform, then what's the point?
All of the reason any of us give shit about this is because of the warm fuzzies we have for our formative years at MSU. If the kids can't even pretend to care about the school, then fuck em and I'll watch the Lions (but probably not).

Have the NFL fund this shit and they can stop begging alums for money. (& lose the viewership too.)

I agree with you 100%, but I'm afraid that a minor league/college super league system is what we are headed for if money keeps getting pumped into college football and basketball. Personally, I'd rather do away with the rules governing how/when athletes can declare for the draft and let college athletics go back to being a true student athlete event. If that means less revenue and less viewership, so be it. College football really isn't even fun to watch anymore in the current system.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Y’all don’t think your “diminishing interest“ has anything to do with the msu football program being a dumpster fire for the better part of 7 years? And the uofm program with a chance to win 3 big ten ships in a row?

Seems like some convenient timing to claim you don’t care!

No. I was starting to lose interest back in 2015 when we were making the playoff run. I'd go to games, and I wanted MSU to win, but my heart wasn't in it. Sitting in an uncomfortable stadium for 3+ hours on one of my only days off for the week and trying to stay entertained during the several minutes of clock stoppage time between plays got to be too much. I genuinely don't like college football as it is now. I have tried watching Top 25 match ups, and I like those even less. I've started following some smaller, lower division schools and that feels better. Even if MSU flipped a switch and started winning again, I honestly can't say I'd feel too invested.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Y’all don’t think your “diminishing interest“ has anything to do with the msu football program being a dumpster fire for the better part of 7 years? And the uofm program with a chance to win 3 big ten ships in a row?

Seems like some convenient timing to claim you don’t care and all of sudden mind the deep dark side of college athletics that’s ALWAYS been there

For the record, I’m all for people caring less about this bullshit. There’s too many other things that are for more important. So if you truly are getting less invested, more power to you- keep it going

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Y’all don’t think your “diminishing interest“ has anything to do with the msu football program being a dumpster fire for the better part of 7 years? And the uofm program with a chance to win 3 big ten ships in a row?

Seems like some convenient timing to claim you don’t care and all of sudden mind the deep dark side of college athletics that’s ALWAYS been there

For the record, I’m all for people caring less about this bullshit. There’s too many other things that are for more important. So if you truly are getting less invested, more power to you- keep it going

I probably haven’t watched more than 8 minutes of college football and I feel fine. Will watch Colorado vs Oregon though.

CaptainSlow33 wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Y’all don’t think your “diminishing interest“ has anything to do with the msu football program being a dumpster fire for the better part of 7 years? And the uofm program with a chance to win 3 big ten ships in a row?

Seems like some convenient timing to claim you don’t care!

No. I was starting to lose interest back in 2015 when we were making the playoff run. I'd go to games, and I wanted MSU to win, but my heart wasn't in it. Sitting in an uncomfortable stadium for 3+ hours on one of my only days off for the week and trying to stay entertained during the several minutes of clock stoppage time between plays got to be too much. I genuinely don't like college football as it is now. I have tried watching Top 25 match ups, and I like those even less. I've started following some smaller, lower division schools and that feels better. Even if MSU flipped a switch and started winning again, I honestly can't say I'd feel too invested.

The schedules are horrible and there’s too many commercial breaks. That’s what did it for me.

CaptainSlow33 wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Y’all don’t think your “diminishing interest“ has anything to do with the msu football program being a dumpster fire for the better part of 7 years? And the uofm program with a chance to win 3 big ten ships in a row?

Seems like some convenient timing to claim you don’t care!

No. I was starting to lose interest back in 2015 when we were making the playoff run. I'd go to games, and I wanted MSU to win, but my heart wasn't in it. Sitting in an uncomfortable stadium for 3+ hours on one of my only days off for the week and trying to stay entertained during the several minutes of clock stoppage time between plays got to be too much. I genuinely don't like college football as it is now. I have tried watching Top 25 match ups, and I like those even less. I've started following some smaller, lower division schools and that feels better. Even if MSU flipped a switch and started winning again, I honestly can't say I'd feel too invested.

Right now I'm more interested in the basketball team prospects than the football team prospects. You could attribute that to how good they are, I guess. But I'm less interested in this coming basketball season at this point than I was in the 2019 football season and I don't even remember who was playing in 2019 without thinking hard about it.

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