Not a poll: give me your enthusiasm regarding each one of these coaches

by **DWags** 2023-11-18, 21:56

We all want urban. Can we just stop talking about it? I really do think we’re going to get one of these four candidates.

I’m not asking which one you would rather have I’m asking you to give me how fired up you would be on a scale of 1 to 10 for each one of these names

Jon Smith OSU

Jed Fisch UA

Elko Duke

Candle Toledo

by **DWags** 2023-11-18, 21:57

DWags

Smith. 7

Elko. 6

Candle 4

Fisch 9.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-18, 21:58

Jon Smith OSU 4

Jed Fisch UA 6

Elko Duke 3

Candle Toledo 2

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-18, 21:59

DWags wrote:DWags

Smith. 7

Elko. 6

Candle 4

Fisch 9.

Geezuz. Dial it back a bit. sunny

by **DWags** 2023-11-18, 22:04

NigelUno wrote:
DWags wrote:DWags

Smith. 7

Elko. 6

Candle 4

Fisch 9.

Geezuz. Dial it back a bit.

He seems to be Dantonio like. Maybe I’m dreaming. We’d never catch lightning in a bottle twice.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2023-11-18, 23:21

Smith 7.5

Elko 7.5

Candle 5

Fisch 3

I'd also put Leipold as 7.5.

All three of those that I put at 7.5, I think very highly of. As coaches, I think they've all done jobs that are 9-10 out of 10.

But there's no guarantees going from one situation to another, so my enthusiasm level is still tempered.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-11-18, 23:32

Smith 8.5

Elko 7.5

Candle 4

Fisch 7.5

I think Dickert would be the best fit.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-19, 09:05

I'm sure whoever Haller picks will be fine... Or something.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-19, 09:21

DWags wrote:We all want urban. Can we just stop talking about it? I really do think we’re going to get one of these four candidates.

I’m not asking which one you would rather have I’m asking you to give me how fired up you would be on a scale of 1 to 10 for each one of these names

Jon Smith OSU

Jed Fisch UA

Elko Duke

Candle Toledo

Do we at the swill ever talk about urban thus necessitating asking people to stop or are you talking to other social media sites? Because if there’s a secret thread where we talk about urban I would like to read it. Can’t stop calling this out wont stop sorry

Anyway

Smith 5
Fisch 3
Elko 0
Candle (3)

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-19, 09:33

Why is candel getting the business?

That feels "other sites" influenced.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-19, 10:00

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Why is candel getting the business?

That feels "other sites" influenced.

He’s a 7th year mac coach that just now finally is having a good season. He’s not dantonio or *he who shall not be named*.

He’s pj fleck. One good year in the Mac after years of middling results so some lower level big ten team comes calling. I think us better than Minnesota though, so I am actively against that. Leave him for Purdue or Indiana or whoever else ends up having a vacancy.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2023-11-19, 10:39

0s across the board

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-19, 10:48

DWags wrote:We all want urban. Can we just stop talking about it? I really do think we’re going to get one of these four candidates.

I’m not asking which one you would rather have I’m asking you to give me how fired up you would be on a scale of 1 to 10 for each one of these names

Jon Smith OSU

Jed Fisch UA

Elko Duke

Candle Toledo

Smith 6

Fisch 6

Elko 4

Candle 5

Meyer 0

by **duffy munn** 2023-11-19, 10:52

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:0s across the board

shocking

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2023-11-19, 11:09

duffy munn wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:0s across the board
shocking

that you replied to this? I am not.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-19, 11:10

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
duffy munn wrote: shocking

that you replied to this? I am not.

You two are going to have to sit at different tables at tSwill Thanksgiving. I really hope Steve Peoples shows up this year. I miss that guy.

by **Cameron** 2023-11-19, 11:28

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:0s across the board

Same. Won't stop watching if any of them end up being the guy, but I'm not excited for any of them whatsoever.

Randy Alvarez or bust.

by Pervis Muldoon 2023-11-19, 11:38

Mark Dantonio was the perfect football coach for MSU. He was terrific at managing his teams' focus and emotions before, during and after games. We'd routinely beat Michigan without suffering a letdown the following week.

He and his staff seemed to be great teachers, too. Watching NFL coaches and scouts break down Spartan pro prospects back then, you could hear how impressed they were at how well the players grasped advanced systems - especially the defensive backs.

The discipline was excellent, despite the media complaints. The players were flagged sometimes for playing through the whistle but that's what they were coached to do. When the team was tagged as dirty and Will Gholston was suspended by the conference after beating Taylor Lewan and Michigan in 2011, they responded by beating a juggernaut Badger team the next week - with no penalties. That's pure sorcery.

I haven't paid much attention to these candidates. How do they rate on a scale of Dantonio-ness?

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-19, 11:42

NigelUno wrote:Jon Smith OSU 4

Jed Fisch UA 6

Elko Duke 3

Candle Toledo 2

If Smith had knocked off Washington, I might have bumped him to a 7.

by **GRR Spartan** 2023-11-19, 12:59

DWag's list +1

Don't think SoCal native Jonathon Smith may not go east of the Rockies

Jon Smith OSU 8 MSU might be competing TAMU/UCLA and/or USC

Jed Fisch UA 7 / $$ at AZ are true then TAMU/UCLA maybe UF if they fire

Elko Duke 4 TAMU where he was DC is reportedly interested

Candle Toledo 8 Has had success at Toledo MSU won't be only offer

Dickert WSU 8. WSU is hell for recruiting

Huff Marshall 7 having a tough season 21-15
.

Last two listed because it's been too quiet about both of them.

It's entertaining to watch the Urb's uber fans bad mouth Candle who's had two 9 win seasons, two 10 win seasons and his only losing season was the 2020 COVID year. Like MSU is too high up the food chain but other Big Ten schools aren't.

In 2023 MSU isn't the plumb job some MSU fans want to believe. It's a good B1G/Power Five job. Dantonio proved it could be done pre NIL/immeadiate transfer when many people acted like hiring him was a poor decision.

After the Mel Tucker fiasco, donor support / NIL funding is critical. I don't have a clue which candidates the major donor's might favor but I'm confident the loud All Hat No Cattle message board/sports talk don't have AD Haller's ear.

by **steveschneider** 2023-11-19, 13:10

GRR Spartan wrote:DWag's list +1

Don't think SoCal native Jonathon Smith may not go east of the Rockies

Jon Smith OSU 8 MSU might be competing TAMU/UCLA and/or USC

Jed Fisch UA 7 / $$ at AZ are true then TAMU/UCLA maybe UF if they fire

Elko Duke 4 TAMU where he was DC is reportedly interested

Candle Toledo 8 Has had success at Toledo MSU won't be only offer

Dickert WSU 8. WSU is hell for recruiting

Huff Marshall 7 having a tough season 21-15
.

Last two listed because it's been too quiet about both of them.

It's entertaining to watch the Urb's uber fans bad mouth Candle who's had two 9 win seasons, two 10 win seasons and his only losing season was the 2020 COVID year. Like MSU is too high up the food chain but other Big Ten schools aren't.

In 2023 MSU isn't the plumb job some MSU fans want to believe. It's a good B1G/Power Five job. Dantonio proved it could be done pre NIL/immeadiate transfer when many people acted like hiring him was a poor decision.

After the Mel Tucker fiasco, donor support / NIL funding is critical. I don't have a clue which candidates the major donor's might favor but I'm confident the loud All Hat No Cattle message board/sports talk don't have AD Haller's ear.

Spot on. The fan bases attitude towards Jason Candle is ridiculous. He’d come to msu feeling like he was just given the keys to a Porsche and had a major job promotion. If he stinks you fire him in a few years and move on. Be like the NFl hire young coaches hungry for the opportunity.

by **steveschneider** 2023-11-19, 13:17

Also, I’ll add one Harlan Barnett. Classy dude and he’d probably improve and get better coordinators. Beat Penn State I’m all in.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-19, 14:05

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Why is candel getting the business?

That feels "other sites" influenced.
He’s a 7th year mac coach that just now finally is having a good season. He’s not dantonio or *he who shall not be named*.

He’s pj fleck. One good year in the Mac after years of middling results so some lower level big ten team comes calling. I think us better than Minnesota though, so I am actively against that. Leave him for Purdue or Indiana or whoever else ends up having a vacancy.

You been reading tob too much.

It's the Twitter of the Spart-o-sphere... just chocked full of idiots who have less influence then brains.

by **duffy munn** 2023-11-19, 14:26

Turtleneck wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

that you replied to this? I am not.

You two are going to have to sit at different tables at tSwill Thanksgiving. I really hope Steve Peoples shows up this year. I miss that guy.

hey now OTPT makes the rules around here. Stay in your lane Turtleneck

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-19, 14:35

Turtleneck wrote:
You two are going to have to sit at different tables at tSwill Thanksgiving. I really hope Steve Peoples shows up this year. I miss that guy.

Fuckin Steve Peoples = that uncle.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-19, 15:24

steveschneider wrote:Also, I’ll add one Harlan Barnett. Classy dude and he’d probably improve and get better coordinators. Beat Penn State I’m all in.

Hard no.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-11-19, 15:52

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:0s across the board

This. No enthusiasm for any of the names mentioned.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2023-11-19, 20:33

duffy munn wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

You two are going to have to sit at different tables at tSwill Thanksgiving. I really hope Steve Peoples shows up this year. I miss that guy.
hey now OTPT makes the rules around here. Stay in your lane Turtleneck

Not a poll: give me your enthusiasm regarding each one of these coaches 502811600

Bro you are literally known around here and the rcmb as the fan police

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-19, 20:40

GRR Spartan wrote:DWag's list +1

Don't think SoCal native Jonathon Smith may not go east of the Rockies

Jon Smith OSU 8 MSU might be competing TAMU/UCLA and/or USC

Jed Fisch UA 7 / $$ at AZ are true then TAMU/UCLA maybe UF if they fire

Elko Duke 4 TAMU where he was DC is reportedly interested

Candle Toledo 8 Has had success at Toledo MSU won't be only offer

Dickert WSU 8. WSU is hell for recruiting

Huff Marshall 7 having a tough season 21-15
.

Last two listed because it's been too quiet about both of them.

It's entertaining to watch the Urb's uber fans bad mouth Candle who's had two 9 win seasons, two 10 win seasons and his only losing season was the 2020 COVID year. Like MSU is too high up the food chain but other Big Ten schools aren't.

In 2023 MSU isn't the plumb job some MSU fans want to believe. It's a good B1G/Power Five job. Dantonio proved it could be done pre NIL/immeadiate transfer when many people acted like hiring him was a poor decision.

After the Mel Tucker fiasco, donor support / NIL funding is critical. I don't have a clue which candidates the major donor's might favor but I'm confident the loud All Hat No Cattle message board/sports talk don't have AD Haller's ear.

Sorry that 9-4 and 9-5 in the fuckin Mac doesn’t make my panties quiver with anticipation :(

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-11-19, 20:43

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
He’s a 7th year mac coach that just now finally is having a good season. He’s not dantonio or *he who shall not be named*.

He’s pj fleck. One good year in the Mac after years of middling results so some lower level big ten team comes calling. I think us better than Minnesota though, so I am actively against that. Leave him for Purdue or Indiana or whoever else ends up having a vacancy.
You been reading tob too much.

It's the Twitter of the Spart-o-sphere... just chocked full of idiots who have less influence then brains.

On the contrary, I am starting to suspect I might be the only poster here that doesn’t read the other board at all. Or at least exceedingly rarely.

I just don’t think that the guy has done anything particularly impressive, is the current Mac flavor of the month after nearly a decade in the conference, so people are linking him to a job he has no business being linked to

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-11-19, 21:39

At this point, as long as it's not Urban Meyer, I'mokay with whoever it is.

I figure Haller et al. is better equipped than I am to determine who is the best fit.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-19, 21:40

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
duffy munn wrote: hey now OTPT makes the rules around here. Stay in your lane Turtleneck

Bro you are literally known around here and the rcmb as the fan police

They all report to Bob Sak, OTPT. Sak is the Fan Police Commissioner. He wears his badge everywhere. Even when riding his bike to DeWitt.

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-19, 21:44

Robert J Sakimano wrote:At this point, as long as it's not Urban Meyer, I'mokay with whoever it is.

I figure Haller et al. is better equipped than I am to determine who is the best fit.

Well, he screwed up the hockey coach hire. And it looks like he totally dropped the ball on the women's basketball hire. And that dreadful women's soccer hire. Didn't he mess up the volleyball search, too? #FireComley

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-11-19, 21:48

Turtleneck wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:At this point, as long as it's not Urban Meyer, I'mokay with whoever it is.

I figure Haller et al. is better equipped than I am to determine who is the best fit.

Well, he screwed up the hockey coach hire. And it looks like he totally dropped the ball on the women's basketball hire. And that dreadful women's soccer hire. Didn't he mess up the volleyball search, too? #FireComley

And he didn't fire Izzo. So +1 for that.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-19, 22:09

Turtleneck wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:At this point, as long as it's not Urban Meyer, I'mokay with whoever it is.

I figure Haller et al. is better equipped than I am to determine who is the best fit.

Well, he screwed up the hockey coach hire. And it looks like he totally dropped the ball on the women's basketball hire. And that dreadful women's soccer hire. Didn't he mess up the volleyball search, too? #FireComley

A little early to judge the women's basketball hire.

The handling of that was messy (not saying a change wasn't needed).

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-19, 22:58

NigelUno wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

Well, he screwed up the hockey coach hire. And it looks like he totally dropped the ball on the women's basketball hire. And that dreadful women's soccer hire. Didn't he mess up the volleyball search, too? #FireComley

A little early to judge the women's basketball hire.

The handling of that was messy (not saying a change wasn't needed).

This you?

NigelUno wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:Women put up 105 again. Damn. There is a lesson in all of this. I wanted a big splash hire and was disappointed, and now the team has started the season putting up 87, 99, 105 and 105.

[tw]1726328521960943651?s=46[/tw]

Slam Dunk hire.

by **NigelUno** 2023-11-20, 08:28

Turtleneck wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

A little early to judge the women's basketball hire.

The handling of that was messy (not saying a change wasn't needed).

This you?

NigelUno wrote:

Slam Dunk hire.

Not a poll: give me your enthusiasm regarding each one of these coaches B5acb7b819a1568fc9ba2deee6deb5e0

by **Turtleneck** 2023-11-20, 09:48

Please don’t joke or speculate. Thank you.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-11-20, 10:08

Pervis Muldoon wrote:Mark Dantonio was the perfect football coach for MSU. He was terrific at managing his teams' focus and emotions before, during and after games. We'd routinely beat Michigan without suffering a letdown the following week.

He and his staff seemed to be great teachers, too. Watching NFL coaches and scouts break down Spartan pro prospects back then, you could hear how impressed they were at how well the players grasped advanced systems - especially the defensive backs.

The discipline was excellent, despite the media complaints. The players were flagged sometimes for playing through the whistle but that's what they were coached to do. When the team was tagged as dirty and Will Gholston was suspended by the conference after beating Taylor Lewan and Michigan in 2011, they responded by beating a juggernaut Badger team the next week - with no penalties. That's pure sorcery.

I haven't paid much attention to these candidates. How do they rate on a scale of Dantonio-ness?

I want someone with Dantonio, who copied it from Tom Landry, like behavior on the sidelines during the games. Enough with these emotions on their sleeve types.

edit - the media pressure (the Blue Wall) at MSU makes a stoic demeaner, such as Dantonio's a huge asset. It drives the Blue Wall crazy.

by CaptainSlow33 2023-11-20, 10:14

Personally, I don't want Urban. Not saying he isn't a great coach, but I don't want any coach that we are going to have to beg with our checkbooks to even pretend to be interested. I want any coach we are courting to have a mutual interest in MSU. I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that Urban has any interest in returning to coaching in general, let alone at MSU.

I would be high any of those coaches - they all seem like a significant improvement from Mel Tucker, so I'd be happy to see any of them announced. And you know what? Fuck it. I'm ready to say it: I'd be proud to see Harlon Barnett announced, too. He held this team together with Scotch tape and broken rubber bands together, and they have managed to improve bit by bit each week. Give him a solid staff and a year to build his culture, and I think he could build a strong program.

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