On this date in history: my favorite all time MSU bball player and I still think best ever …..

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Gritty, gutty

duffy munn wrote:Gritty, gutty

gym rat

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

duffy munn wrote:Gritty, gutty

gym rat

He actually was OTPT. Always had a basketball with him and stopped at every open court he saw. Some epic pick up games at Valley Court, Patriarch Park etc.

Favorite? Get that completely.

Best? Without debate, that would be Magic.

Zurn wrote:Favorite? Get that completely.

Best? Without debate, that would be Magic.

Then next is Draymond Green.

Zurn wrote:Favorite? Get that completely.

Best? Without debate, that would be Magic.

Magic was blessed with genetics. Skiles did so much with so little.

Both had a great work ethic, both hated to lose. Think about who was on Skiles team vs who magic played with. Skiles did more with less both on his team and with his body. Glad we had both.

Both played without the three-point line & with a different set of rules.

When did the shot clock start in CBB?

Starting in the 1985 college basketball season, the shot clock was set to 45 seconds. In 1993, the shot clock was changed to 35 seconds for men and 30 seconds for women.

With a three-point line Scotty would have been deadly.

DWags wrote:

Zurn wrote:Favorite?   Get that completely.  

Best?   Without debate, that would be Magic.

Magic was blessed with genetics.  Skiles did so much with so little.  

Both had a great work ethic, both hated to lose. Think about who was on Skiles team vs who magic played with.  Skiles did more with less both on his team and with his body.  Glad we had both.

All true Wags. What Skiles did with that 85/86 was incredible. I mean, you aren't supposed to beat Michigan ( killed them twice) and Georgetown with Larry Polec and Barry Fordham. Scottie did have DJ and Vernon Carr but not much else.

On the other hand, Magic won it all with Terry Donnely and Bo Bo but also had special K and Jay. To me, magic and Skiles are 1a and1b

duffy munn wrote:

DWags wrote:

Magic was blessed with genetics.  Skiles did so much with so little.  

Both had a great work ethic, both hated to lose. Think about who was on Skiles team vs who magic played with.  Skiles did more with less both on his team and with his body.  Glad we had both.

All true Wags. What Skiles did with that 85/86 was incredible. I mean, you aren't supposed to beat Michigan ( killed them twice) and Georgetown with Larry Polec and Barry Fordham. Scottie did have DJ and Vernon Carr but not much else.

On the other hand, Magic won it all with Terry Donnely and Bo Bo but also had special K and Jay. To me, magic and Skiles are 1a and1b

It’s always been that debate for me. Either magic or skiles. When people debate Skiles with Mateen I think it’s Skiles hands down.

And by the way, Skiles came up with Mateen taking the ball out first to Break Floridas press so he got it back on the second pass. Legend.

NigelUno wrote:

steveschneider wrote:


Then next is Draymond Green.

Mix in some coffee with the leftover champagne you're drinking.

Went to bed early and woke up feeling well rested. Educate me who is second place?

DWags wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

All true Wags. What Skiles did with that 85/86 was incredible. I mean, you aren't supposed to beat Michigan ( killed them twice) and Georgetown with Larry Polec and Barry Fordham. Scottie did have DJ and Vernon Carr but not much else.

On the other hand, Magic won it all with Terry Donnely and Bo Bo but also had special K and Jay. To me, magic and Skiles are 1a and1b

It’s always been that debate for me. Either magic or skiles. When people debate Skiles with Mateen I think it’s Skiles hands down.

Completely agree with Skiles over Cleaves

I know mateen was great and won it all but I would even put Cassius above him. Kid was just special and may have won it all if not for covid. So let's call them 2a and 2b

Agree with Nigel about the team with Sam, skiles and Willis. I remember being so excited about that team with addition on Ken Johnson. And then Sam went off against a really good Oregon  St team at Jenison on national tv
( arena was so bright with the CBS lights). Willis never got healthy and the team under achieved

NigelUno wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Went to bed early and woke up feeling well rested. Educate me who is second place?

Draymond has some intangibles obviously.

But as far as best (or better) players, I'd go with Skiles, Smith, Respert, Cassius, Furlow, Mike Robinson...

Skiles had arguably the greatest single season in MSU basketball history.

I was factoring in the pro career as well as the college.