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The Annual/Official Battle for the Double Bye at the Big Ten Tournament Thread (AOBDBBTTT)

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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-19, 09:49

(Top 4 seeds get the Double Bye and rest until Friday)

3. MSU 9-6 (Remaining SOS = 52) Iowa, OSU, @Purdue, NW, @IU
Northwestern 9-6 (65) UM, @Maryland, Iowa, @MSU, Minny
Wisconsin 9-6 (35) Maryland, @IU, Illinois, Rutgers, @Purdue
6. Nebraska 8-7 (74) @IU, Minny, @OSU, Rutgers, @UM

We're 0-2 vs. Wisconsin, 0-1 vs. Northwestern (with one more game), and 0-1 vs. Nebraska. Not great for tiebreakers. Might have to go 13-7 to lock up one of the top 4 spots.

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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-20, 09:03

Tonight:
Iowa @ MSU -9.5
MSU 5-1 in their last 6 games.
8-2 in their last 10 games.

Maryland @ Wisconsin -7.5
Wisconsin 1-5 in their last 6 games.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-02-20, 09:13

NigelUno wrote:(Top 4 seeds get the Double Bye and rest until Friday)

3. MSU 9-6 (Remaining SOS = 52) Iowa, OSU, @Purdue, NW, @IU
Northwestern 9-6 (65) UM, @Maryland, Iowa, @MSU, Minny
Wisconsin 9-6 (35) Maryland, @IU, Illinois, Rutgers, @Purdue
6. Nebraska 8-7 (74) @IU, Minny, @OSU, Rutgers, @UM

We're 0-2 vs. Wisconsin, 0-1 vs. Northwestern (with one more game), and 0-1 vs. Nebraska. Not great for tiebreakers. Might have to go 13-7 to lock up one of the top 4 spots.


Not great for tiebreakers is an understatement.

No chance if it is a tie except for NW, and what is the next tiebreaker after head-to-head, since the best it could be is 1-1?

Seems like MSU needs to be 3rd or tied with one other team for 3rd to get the doublebye. Untied for 4th if there is no tie for 3rd is the other possibility.
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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-20, 09:26

Trapper Gus wrote:
NigelUno wrote:(Top 4 seeds get the Double Bye and rest until Friday)

3. MSU 9-6 (Remaining SOS = 52) Iowa, OSU, @Purdue, NW, @IU
Northwestern 9-6 (65) UM, @Maryland, Iowa, @MSU, Minny
Wisconsin 9-6 (35) Maryland, @IU, Illinois, Rutgers, @Purdue
6. Nebraska 8-7 (74) @IU, Minny, @OSU, Rutgers, @UM

We're 0-2 vs. Wisconsin, 0-1 vs. Northwestern (with one more game), and 0-1 vs. Nebraska. Not great for tiebreakers. Might have to go 13-7 to lock up one of the top 4 spots.


Not great for tiebreakers is an understatement.

No chance if it is a tie except for NW, and what is the next tiebreaker after head-to-head, since the best it could be is 1-1?

Seems like MSU needs to be 3rd or tied with one other team for 3rd to get the doublebye. Untied for 4th if there is no tie for 3rd is the other possibility.

After head to head records, the next tiebreaker is record against teams (starting at the top of the standings).

Northwestern is 1-1 against Purdue. So, we need to beat Purdue if we're tied just with Northwestern.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-02-20, 09:37

NigelUno wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Not great for tiebreakers is an understatement.

No chance if it is a tie except for NW, and what is the next tiebreaker after head-to-head, since the best it could be is 1-1?

Seems like MSU needs to be 3rd or tied with one other team for 3rd to get the doublebye. Untied for 4th if there is no tie for 3rd is the other possibility.

After head to head records, the next tiebreaker is record against teams (starting at the top of the standings).

Northwestern is 1-1 against Purdue. So, we need to beat Purdue if we're tied just with Northwestern.

But NW played them twice, how is that fair?
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Post by DWags 2024-02-20, 10:04

Trapper Gus wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

After head to head records, the next tiebreaker is record against teams (starting at the top of the standings).

Northwestern is 1-1 against Purdue.  So, we need to beat Purdue if we're tied just with Northwestern.  

But NW played them twice, how is that fair?


NW playing the top team twice, and MSU only having to play the top team once, is more than fair
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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-20, 10:24

Trapper Gus wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

After head to head records, the next tiebreaker is record against teams (starting at the top of the standings).

Northwestern is 1-1 against Purdue. So, we need to beat Purdue if we're tied just with Northwestern.

But NW played them twice, how is that fair?

Wisconsin has to play Purdue twice also, and it's to our benefit (if Purdue wins both obviously). It is what it is.
We made our bed by losing to Wisconsin twice.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2024-02-20, 10:28

DWags wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

But NW played them twice, how is that fair?


NW playing the top team twice, and MSU only having to play the top team once, is more than fair

Advantage MSU, yes, but in the non-partisan world, WTF B1G, get a better system.
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Post by DWags 2024-02-20, 10:29

I am more concerned about finishing 4-1 in the regular season and then 1-1 in the tournament. Will that jump us to a six seed or a five seed? If we play Thursday night in the Big Ten tournament. It might give us two victories that we might need. I given up on trying to figure this stuff out. Just.Win.
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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-20, 10:32

DWags wrote:I am more concerned about finishing 4-1 in the regular season and then 1-1 in the tournament. Will that jump us to a six seed or a five seed? If we play Thursday night in the Big Ten tournament. It might give us two victories that we might need. I given up on trying to figure this stuff out. Just.Win.

I think if we finish 4-1, we (at least) jump to a 6 seed. Beating Purdue would get us higher.
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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-21, 11:38

3. Wisconsin 10-6 (Remaining SOS 20) @IU, Illinois, Rutgers, @Purdue
4. Northwestern 9-6 (65) UM, @Maryland, Iowa, @MSU, Minny
5. MSU 9-7 (Remaining SOS 35) OSU, @Purdue, NW, @IU
6. Nebraska 8-7 (66) @IU, Minny, @OSU, Rutgers, @UM

Nebraska @ IU tonight.
I thought we had a shot at going 4-1 in our last 5 (with a loss to Purdue). I'm guessing we play on TH now, unless we get some help.
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Post by DWags 2024-02-21, 15:10

NigelUno wrote:3. Wisconsin 10-6 (Remaining SOS 20) @IU, Illinois, Rutgers, @Purdue
4. Northwestern 9-6 (65) UM, @Maryland, Iowa, @MSU, Minny
5. MSU 9-7 (Remaining SOS 35) OSU, @Purdue, NW, @IU
6. Nebraska 8-7 (66) @IU, Minny, @OSU, Rutgers, @UM

Nebraska @ IU tonight.
I thought we had a shot at going 4-1 in our last 5 (with a loss to Purdue). I'm guessing we play on TH now, unless we get some help.

We need to win one away game and sweep our home games. damn
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Post by NigelUno 2024-02-22, 11:08

3. Wisconsin 10-6 (Remaining SOS 28) @IU, Illinois, Rutgers, @Purdue
4. Northwestern 9-6 (61) UM, @Maryland, Iowa, @MSU, Minny
5. MSU 9-7 (Remaining SOS 42) OSU, @Purdue, NW, @IU
Nebraska 9-7 (75) Minny, @OSU, Rutgers, @UM

UM @ Northwestern tonight. Juwan is from Chicago!
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