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People who dont think global warming is a thing
I have a legit question here, I'm not trying to get all political or start a debate. People who vehimately argue against global climate change... What is their angle? What's their goal? "Global warming isn't a thing so we should go back to polluting as much as possible." Is that it? Are there really people out there that don't work for the fossil fuel industry that think that protecting the earth is a BAD idea? I don't get how anyone would think that polluting less is a bad thing, whether you think it is causing global climate change or not. Please explain.
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I'm someone who believes in the scientific method, so I can't represent their I think it's two parts.
One is that typically they support gas/energy companies so it would curtail a lot of those activities or at the very least create more regulations.
The other part is simply because it's an issue the liberals/Democrats often champion and therefore they (GOP) feel they have to take the opposing angle. I'm of the belief that's the main reason behind 99% of these political quarrels.
I could be wrong, though... hopefully one of the individuals that believes global warming is a sham will chime in as to the reasons why they're so opposed.
Edit: Now that I think about it another reason, which actually may have some truth to it... is the fear of new taxation being imposed.
One is that typically they support gas/energy companies so it would curtail a lot of those activities or at the very least create more regulations.
The other part is simply because it's an issue the liberals/Democrats often champion and therefore they (GOP) feel they have to take the opposing angle. I'm of the belief that's the main reason behind 99% of these political quarrels.
I could be wrong, though... hopefully one of the individuals that believes global warming is a sham will chime in as to the reasons why they're so opposed.
Edit: Now that I think about it another reason, which actually may have some truth to it... is the fear of new taxation being imposed.
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This seems like the correct, very old, thread to put this link into.
For those who don't know, Stanford is a Conservative think tank place, though this might not be part of that. Still, the idea of carbon capture starting with no methods to do it seems like a conservative shiny object to distract everyone with.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/13/stanford-carbon-removal-climate-change
For those who don't know, Stanford is a Conservative think tank place, though this might not be part of that. Still, the idea of carbon capture starting with no methods to do it seems like a conservative shiny object to distract everyone with.
A new Stanford University initiative aims to overcome barriers to large-scale deployment of tech that can pull planet-warming gases from the atmosphere.
Arun Majumdar, the school's dean, notes that academic research often begins with looking for a proof of concept and then seeing if it can scale.
But Stanford's multi-disciplinary approach aims to turn this paradigm on its head.
"Here we are saying, let's think about the scale from the beginning and work backwards," Majumdar said.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/13/stanford-carbon-removal-climate-change
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xsanguine wrote:I'm someone who believes in the scientific method, so I can't represent their I think it's two parts.
One is that typically they support gas/energy companies so it would curtail a lot of those activities or at the very least create more regulations.
The other part is simply because it's an issue the liberals/Democrats often champion and therefore they (GOP) feel they have to take the opposing angle. I'm of the belief that's the main reason behind 99% of these political quarrels.
I could be wrong, though... hopefully one of the individuals that believes global warming is a sham will chime in as to the reasons why they're so opposed.
Edit: Now that I think about it another reason, which actually may have some truth to it... is the fear of new taxation being imposed.
It's the freedom thing. They genuinely don't like being told what to do and it's a right from God to do whatever they want as defined in the constitution.
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At best they think that the climate science community is locked into group think, and that people who are presenting scientific counter point are blocked from publishing.
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https://www.axios.com/2023/04/27/drought-horn-africa-climate-change-role
A devastating drought in the Horn of Africa, which has now stretched across five straight failed rainy seasons, would not have occurred without human-caused climate change, a new study found.
Why it matters: According to a new scientific analysis, climate change sparked by human emissions are exacerbating the region's arid conditions, as well as the suffering of tens of millions of people.
The drought has created one world's worst humanitarian crises. At least 36.4 million people in the Horn of Africa this year will need emergency assistance to survive, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA).
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Oh, now this RWNJ says climate change is good for us.
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Floyd Robertson wrote:Oh, now this RWNJ says climate change is good for us.
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I swear that members of that party lose a few IQ points every time they get elected or re-elected. For some of them it's pretty critical in their ability to function in public.
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that the American public just accepts this glorious display of stupidity with a sympathetic dose of "oh well" just amplifies the degree to which we are fucked.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:that the American public just accepts this glorious display of stupidity with a sympathetic dose of "oh well" just amplifies the degree to which we are fucked.
On the plus side we are making progress at reducing the increase in C02 that we are putting into the atmosphere, well until the Republicans' manage to cut off all spending.
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And the Heat Goes On - La-De-La-De-La
https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-hot-oceans-el-nino-la-nina-ec00bc89848d18dec9bf4db4444c999e
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Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-hot-oceans-el-nino-la-nina-ec00bc89848d18dec9bf4db4444c999e
So what could happen? More hurricanes?
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DWags wrote:Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-hot-oceans-el-nino-la-nina-ec00bc89848d18dec9bf4db4444c999e
So what could happen? More hurricanes?
Hotter weather generally, stronger storms, more droughts in areas near the equator, higher sea levels, from what I remember about the predictions from a few years ago.
Absolutely worst case is that the ocean current that runs up from the east coast of the US to the Arctic would shut down and all hell breaks loose, like new ice age loose, because of it.
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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I have a legit question here, I'm not trying to get all political or start a debate. People who vehimately argue against global climate change... What is their angle? What's their goal? "Global warming isn't a thing so we should go back to polluting as much as possible." Is that it? Are there really people out there that don't work for the fossil fuel industry that think that protecting the earth is a BAD idea? I don't get how anyone would think that polluting less is a bad thing, whether you think it is causing global climate change or not. Please explain.
This is a climate change story that fossil fuel billionaires and their GOP lackeys would rather you didn’t know.
As more and more people are killed by extraordinarily severe weather in places where it used to be unusual it’s going to get harder and harder to keep Red State citizens from finding out how badly they’ve been screwed by the unholy alliance between Republicans and oil barons.
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Sorry but it is political. RWNJ Billionaires still have the emotional mindset of the slave owners of the pre-War of Rebellion slave states. They get emotional satisfaction from watching other people struggle to live and then to die.
Re: People who dont think global warming is a thing
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:I have a legit question here, I'm not trying to get all political or start a debate. People who vehimately argue against global climate change... What is their angle? What's their goal? "Global warming isn't a thing so we should go back to polluting as much as possible." Is that it? Are there really people out there that don't work for the fossil fuel industry that think that protecting the earth is a BAD idea? I don't get how anyone would think that polluting less is a bad thing, whether you think it is causing global climate change or not. Please explain.
I don't think anyone is out there saying polluting less is a bad thing, is there?
There are nuances in the global warming debate. Bjorn Lomborg for example. I don't think you have to have an "angle" not to accept the most drastic claims of the global warming movement.
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Bjorn Lomborg
Diving deeply into the counter arguments on the effects of global warming is a rat's nest of confusion and often bait and switch reasoning, where critics start with one idea and then jump to a different one to pretend to show the first one is wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg wrote:Lomborg's views and work have attracted scrutiny from the scientific community. The majority of scientists reacted negatively to The Skeptical Environmentalist,[7] and he was formally accused of scientific misconduct over the book; the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty concluded in an evaluation of the book that "one couldn't prove that Lomborg had deliberately been scientifically dishonest, although he had broken the rules of scientific practice in that he interpreted results beyond the conclusions of the authors he cited." His positions on climate change have been challenged by experts and characterized as cherry picking.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/how-climate-models-got-so-accurate-they-earned-a-nobel-prize
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/12/4/20991315/climate-change-prediction-models-accurate
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/
Earth is warming faster than previously thought, scientists say, and the window is closing to avoid catastrophic outcomes
...That is due in part to the breakneck pace at which the planet has been recently warming, faster than scientists have previously observed. Since 2018, when the panel published a special report on the significance of 1.5-degrees, greenhouse gas emissions have continued mostly unabated and have pushed global temperatures higher.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/09/world/global-climate-change-report-un-ipcc/index.html
As I am often accused of providing TL:DR posts let me make the end of this one simple. The Earth is warming faster than predicted and we are in deep shit.
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Trapper Gus wrote:This seems like the correct, very old, thread to put this link into.
For those who don't know, Stanford is a Conservative think tank place, though this might not be part of that. Still, the idea of carbon capture starting with no methods to do it seems like a conservative shiny object to distract everyone with.
A new Stanford University initiative aims to overcome barriers to large-scale deployment of tech that can pull planet-warming gases from the atmosphere.
Arun Majumdar, the school's dean, notes that academic research often begins with looking for a proof of concept and then seeing if it can scale.
But Stanford's multi-disciplinary approach aims to turn this paradigm on its head.
"Here we are saying, let's think about the scale from the beginning and work backwards," Majumdar said.
https://www.axios.com/2023/04/13/stanford-carbon-removal-climate-change
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Nuances like my climate change denier relative (an EE with PE certification) who spent years telling anyone who would listen it was a “lib” thing until his ski cabin in the Colorado Rockies got damaged by mudslides.
Why and how? The 100’s of acres of forests around and within his 10 acres have been decimated by Eastern Pine Beetle infestation. The Eastern Pine beetle used to die out each winter but now live year round with higher winter temps. Trees die, fast thaws and rain cause mud slides.
Why and how? The 100’s of acres of forests around and within his 10 acres have been decimated by Eastern Pine Beetle infestation. The Eastern Pine beetle used to die out each winter but now live year round with higher winter temps. Trees die, fast thaws and rain cause mud slides.
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https://apnews.com/article/cement-concrete-carbon-emissions-energy-climate-buildings-a01ea5e9962d3f00a98227e06e2b7917
It’s a major contributor to climate change — the way buildings and roads are made with concrete. It’s also a problem that’s growing as more of the world develops. So the race has been on to find solutions for a material that’s responsible for roughly 8% of global carbon dioxide emissions.
Now one California startup has developed a technology that reduces carbon dioxide in the making of cement and could have the potential to operate at large scale. Fortera intercepts carbon dioxide exhaust from the kilns where cement is made and routes it back in to make additional cement. In its first effort at commercial scale, the technology is being added to a CalPortland facility in Redding, California, one of the largest cement plants in the western U.S. It opens Friday.
“Our target is about being a ubiquitous solution that can work really at any plant,” said Ryan Gilliam, Fortera CEO.
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With 9 further years of experience the answer was that they’re brainwashed twats who automatically have to be against anything that a liberal wants to do no matter how obviously correct it is.
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Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/cement-concrete-carbon-emissions-energy-climate-buildings-a01ea5e9962d3f00a98227e06e2b7917It’s a major contributor to climate change — the way buildings and roads are made with concrete. It’s also a problem that’s growing as more of the world develops. So the race has been on to find solutions for a material that’s responsible for roughly 8% of global carbon dioxide emissions.
Now one California startup has developed a technology that reduces carbon dioxide in the making of cement and could have the potential to operate at large scale. Fortera intercepts carbon dioxide exhaust from the kilns where cement is made and routes it back in to make additional cement. In its first effort at commercial scale, the technology is being added to a CalPortland facility in Redding, California, one of the largest cement plants in the western U.S. It opens Friday.
“Our target is about being a ubiquitous solution that can work really at any plant,” said Ryan Gilliam, Fortera CEO.
We tried taking away your cars and you resisted, so now we'll just take away the roads!
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TravelinMan wrote:Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/cement-concrete-carbon-emissions-energy-climate-buildings-a01ea5e9962d3f00a98227e06e2b7917
We tried taking away your cars and you resisted, so now we'll just take away the roads!
Your trolling is going downhill, dude. It doesn't make any rational sense anymore.
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Trapper Gus wrote:TravelinMan wrote:
We tried taking away your cars and you resisted, so now we'll just take away the roads!
Your trolling is going downhill, dude. It doesn't make any rational sense anymore.
It’s the propaganda. It’s very sad to watch first hand because it’s insidious and it takes time. People go from being somewhat reasonable people to drooling husks that type “they tried to take your car away” and think they are making some kind of valid snarky point. Once you get on the brainworm train it’s nearly impossible to get off. Before you know it they only joke they know is “I identify as a walrus”
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Trapper Gus wrote:TravelinMan wrote:
We tried taking away your cars and you resisted, so now we'll just take away the roads!
Your trolling is going downhill, dude. It doesn't make any rational sense anymore.
Your sense of humor is going downhill. You know I like clean air and land as much as the next guy.
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I used to be a denier but then this earthquake and eclipse happened.
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TravelinMan wrote:Trapper Gus wrote:
Your trolling is going downhill, dude. It doesn't make any rational sense anymore.
Your sense of humor is going downhill. You know I like clean air and land as much as the next guy.
You are posting stuff that has no meaning, TM. I have enough trouble understanding humor without needed to saw open your skull to try to understand what connection you believe there is between the topic and what you post.
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Zurn wrote:I used to be a denier but then this earthquake and eclipse happened.
So you understand global warming caused by greenhouse gases is happening now because there was an earthquake & an eclipse?
That's wild that a science denier like yourself would change your mind due to a random tectonic shift & an astrological event that was known to be happening for decades. /s
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Trapper Gus wrote:TravelinMan wrote:
Your sense of humor is going downhill. You know I like clean air and land as much as the next guy.
You are posting stuff that has no meaning, TM. I have enough trouble understanding humor without needed to saw open your skull to try to understand what connection you believe there is between the topic and what you post.
You used to be fun. What happened?
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Right wing have been trained ever since Limbaugh to treat it as a joke. Well, he's dead and i cant go ice fishing sooo....
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Trapper Gus wrote:Zurn wrote:I used to be a denier but then this earthquake and eclipse happened.
So you understand global warming caused by greenhouse gases is happening now because there was an earthquake & an eclipse?
Yes, I heard that on The View.
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Zurn wrote:Trapper Gus wrote:
So you understand global warming caused by greenhouse gases is happening now because there was an earthquake & an eclipse?
Yes, I heard that on The View.
Never heard of it, must be some right-wing pod cast.
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