Why can't Izzo close the deal on the highest profile recruits?

Seriously.

Jackson
Jabari Parker
Jahlil Okafor
Cliff Alexander
Caleb Swanigan
Tyler Ulis

Is it a money thing? Cuz I'm sure Eli Broad could kick in some extra if needed.

Otherwise he needs to take some lessons from Alec Baldwin.

Bridges, Winston, Roe, Harris, Cleaves.....

PS check your PM

I think it is.

Short answer...yes it's money and Izzo isn't ruining his legacy by paying now

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Seriously.

Jackson
Jabari Parker
Jahlil Okafor
Cliff Alexander
Caleb Swanigan
Tyler Ulis

Is it a money thing? Cuz I'm sure Eli Broad could kick in some extra if needed.

Maybe this comes down to his recruiting philosophy. Maybe he does not kiss mom and dad's ass enough and spends too much time recruiting the kid. I mean, the kid has to want to come to MSU, but mom and dad need to get some love, too. In a couple of your examples, parents or guardians seemed to really control the process.

Turtleneck wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Seriously.

Jackson
Jabari Parker
Jahlil Okafor
Cliff Alexander
Caleb Swanigan
Tyler Ulis

Is it a money thing? Cuz I'm sure Eli Broad could kick in some extra if needed.

Maybe this comes down to his recruiting philosophy. Maybe he does not kiss mom and dad's ass enough and spends too much time recruiting the kid. I mean, the kid has to want to come to MSU, but mom and dad need to get some love, too.

Why? I hated my parents at 18. Whatever they told me to do, I did the opposite.

InTenSity wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Maybe this comes down to his recruiting philosophy. Maybe he does not kiss mom and dad's ass enough and spends too much time recruiting the kid. I mean, the kid has to want to come to MSU, but mom and dad need to get some love, too.

Why? I hated my parents at 18. Whatever they told me to do, I did the opposite.

Fair statement but I was the opposite and would have went for the money

Bridges was rated higher than Swanigan and Ulis (Langford is similar to those 2).

Duke, Kansas, Kentucky...

Purdue is the only outlier, and there was a connection there.

Weren't Bridges and Langford McDs?

I agree though we have never won one of these drawn out affairs.

The sample size isn't that big and we don't have inside info of this guy or that guy was paid. But given the success of Izzo it is insane the lack of blue chips lining up to play for him. And it is not because he is some failure to close the deal or whatever.

So who have we landed ? Like elite croot wise

Payne
Harris
Shannon Brown
Tolbert

Bridges
Langford

Turtleneck wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Seriously.

Jackson
Jabari Parker
Jahlil Okafor
Cliff Alexander
Caleb Swanigan
Tyler Ulis

Is it a money thing? Cuz I'm sure Eli Broad could kick in some extra if needed.

Maybe this comes down to his recruiting philosophy. Maybe he does not kiss mom and dad's ass enough and spends too much time recruiting the kid. I mean, the kid has to want to come to MSU, but mom and dad need to get some love, too. In a couple of your examples, parents or guardians seemed to really control the process.

Disagree. Izzo spends plenty of time with Mom and Dad because Family is the ultimate MSU recruiting pitch.

Izzo spends zero time with middlemen and that may be why he doesn't land the likes of Jackson

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:So who have we landed ? Like elite croot wise

Payne
Harris
Shannon Brown
Tolbert

Bridges
Langford

Roe
Dawson
Tollbooth
Cleaves
Smith
etc
etc
etc
etc

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:So who have we landed ? Like elite croot wise

Payne
Harris
Shannon Brown
Tolbert

Bridges
Langford

Mateen, Delvon Roe, J Rich, Brandon Cotton.

pulling69 wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:So who have we landed ? Like elite croot wise

Payne
Harris
Shannon Brown
Tolbert

Bridges
Langford

Roe
Dawson
Tollbooth
Cleaves
Smith
etc
etc
etc
etc

Paul Davis

pulling69 wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:So who have we landed ? Like elite croot wise

Payne
Harris
Shannon Brown
Tolbert

Bridges
Langford

Roe
Dawson
Tollbooth
Cleaves
Smith
etc
etc
etc
etc

Dawson? He wasn't a 5 star was he?? Blue blood offers? Tolbert was NOPY

And I'm talking 5 star blue blood offer Michigan football fan whacking off to quality. I don't think Dawson qualifies. Roe yes. Davis i think 5 stars on rivals but what were his offers

Zach Randolph

Marcus Taylor

Dawson, 5 star top 20 in the country, 4th at small forward. Besides, we all know the only reason he went to MSU was because Izzo took pity on Trice.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:And I'm talking 5 star blue blood offer Michigan football fan whacking off to quality. I don't think Dawson qualifies. Roe yes. Davis i think 5 stars on rivals but what were his offers

MSU
Indiana
Georgetown
Purdue
Marquette

top 20 in the country you are losing at this

Edit: UCLA offer as well

pulling69 wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:And I'm talking 5 star blue blood offer Michigan football fan whacking off to quality. I don't think Dawson qualifies. Roe yes. Davis i think 5 stars on rivals but what were his offers

MSU
Indiana
Georgetown
Purdue
Marquette

top 20 in the country you are losing at this

See pulling, I'm not losing shit. I'm not arguing anything. This is how people need to learn to have a civilized discussion on message boards.

I just wanted to see who and how many true natty level elite blue blood croots we have gotten under izzo. He has got some, but I think he deserved more but that's weird to say without knowing how he croots. But the program speaks for itself - but we are awfully fucking bias amirite?

InTenSity wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Maybe this comes down to his recruiting philosophy. Maybe he does not kiss mom and dad's ass enough and spends too much time recruiting the kid. I mean, the kid has to want to come to MSU, but mom and dad need to get some love, too.

Why? I hated my parents at 18. Whatever they told me to do, I did the opposite.

You've mentioned this a couple of times.... You're not really the norm. FYI. And it shows in your posts since you a clearly completely fucking wackadoo.

I barely read that offer list. Ranking is 5 star, offer list is 4

Green was a UK blueblood commit first...

Izzo won't cheat, thus loses recruits. Everyone knows this, it is a good thing.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/mens-basketball/2015/03/10/analyst-izzo-lost-recruits-cheat/24711699/

If you look at the McDs/top recruits vs success of the program it is nuts. We are actually close to #1 in results but not in the top ten of recruiting. We get like one McDs every 3 years. Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas get 3 a year

CheesySpartan wrote:Green was a UK blueblood commit first...

And...?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

pulling69 wrote:

MSU
Indiana
Georgetown
Purdue
Marquette

top 20 in the country you are losing at this

See pulling, I'm not losing shit. I'm not arguing anything. This is how people need to learn to have a civilized discussion on message boards.

I just wanted to see who and how many true natty level elite blue blood croots we have gotten under izzo. He has got some, but I think he deserved more but that's weird to say without knowing how he croots. But the program speaks for itself - but we are awfully fucking bias amirite?

Let me teach you a thing or two about civilized message board discussion. This is how it's done.

NigelUno wrote:

CheesySpartan wrote:Green was a UK blueblood commit first...

And...?

OTPT was asking for Blueblood offers

Green was no damn blue chip elite croot

CheesySpartan wrote:Green was a UK blueblood commit first...

Yup.

Unfortunately this is not an example of blue chip talent or cheating but poor scouting by Izzo. Izzo didn't even offer him a scholarship before Tubby landed him

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Green was no damn blue chip elite croot

And cheesyspartan was probably playing the izzo development card 2 months back let's be real here

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
Why? I hated my parents at 18. Whatever they told me to do, I did the opposite.

You've mentioned this a couple of times.... You're not really the norm. FYI. And it shows in your posts since you a clearly completely fucking wackadoo.

This hurts. I love my parents now.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Green was no damn blue chip elite croot

And cheesyspartan was probably playing the izzo development card 2 months back let's be real here

it was three months back bro, three months

InTenSity wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You've mentioned this a couple of times.... You're not really the norm. FYI. And it shows in your posts since you a clearly completely fucking wackadoo.

This hurts. I love my parents now.

I'm sorry buddy. I was just teasing you. But most 17 year olds don't just say "f you parents" especially when they have considerable skill for making money very soon and they're trying not to fuck it up.

Also, I love your mom too.

:))))))

Herbie Green wrote:

CheesySpartan wrote:Green was a UK blueblood commit first...

Yup.  

Unfortunately this is not an example of blue chip talent or cheating but poor scouting by Izzo.  Izzo didn't even offer him a scholarship before Tubby landed him

FWIW you mean blue chip "hype" cause Day Day is NBA Talent...otherwise we agree

InTenSity wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Maybe this comes down to his recruiting philosophy. Maybe he does not kiss mom and dad's ass enough and spends too much time recruiting the kid. I mean, the kid has to want to come to MSU, but mom and dad need to get some love, too.

Why? I hated my parents at 18. Whatever they told me to do, I did the opposite.

I hated your parents too. Those fuckers. Now I hate that bitch mom of Jacksons. I'm making a list. So far your parents are on it. His mom and I'm throw ing Jack Harbaugh in it. Oh and might as well throw Trumps dad on it.

Are we cool with McDowell's mom ?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Are we cool with McDowell's mom ?

She's a saint.