tTy how cool is it gonna be to shoot that gun with your kids?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Do you think the expenditures on entitlements isn't a problem?

We talking entitlements or social security? I really wish you'd try to be more specific. And besides, we aren't talking about me. We're talking about your incorrect beliefs silly pants.

Turtleneck wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

We talking entitlements or social security? I really wish you'd try to be more specific. And besides, we aren't talking about me. We're talking about your incorrect beliefs silly pants.

Please keep in mind The Dude only knows as much as Limbaugh and Fox News tell him. Possibly the biggest dolt to ever take to the Internet.

The_Dude wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Immigration isn't a serious issue. You've been lied to time and time again. And you personally rely on entitlements. We all do. Not I the way you are thinking, that you receive direct benefits, but the innumerable indirect benefits. You don't want to do that.

Social Security needs to be reformed.  Raise the age before you can start collecting.  And probably means test.

And yes, immigration is a huge issue.  We have a right as a sovereign nation to borders and citizenship.  Illegal immigration is a massive, massive problem in this country.  Immigration is actually probably the most important issue right now and biggest threat to the well being of actual Americans and the future of this country.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Do you think the expenditures on entitlements isn't a problem?

We talking entitlements or social security? I really wish you'd try to be more specific. And besides, we aren't talking about me. We're talking about your incorrect beliefs silly pants.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Social Security needs to be reformed.  Raise the age before you can start collecting.  And probably means test.

And yes, immigration is a huge issue.  We have a right as a sovereign nation to borders and citizenship.  Illegal immigration is a massive, massive problem in this country.  Immigration is actually probably the most important issue right now and biggest threat to the well being of actual Americans and the future of this country.

Because Trump says so?

The_Dude wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Because Trump says so?

No. Because in reality it's a massive problem.

The_Dude wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

We talking entitlements or social security? I really wish you'd try to be more specific. And besides, we aren't talking about me. We're talking about your incorrect beliefs silly pants.

Sigh. You realize social security is an entitlement, right?

Once again an entitlement is any form of financial benefit paid out by the govt. It's not just 'welfare'. Social security is an entitlement when used to describe gov't expenditures.

Just face yourself time and Google federal entitlements so I don't have to keep explaining it.

The_Dude wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

We talking entitlements or social security? I really wish you'd try to be more specific. And besides, we aren't talking about me. We're talking about your incorrect beliefs silly pants.

Sigh. You realize social security is an entitlement, right?

Once again an entitlement is any form of financial benefit paid out by the govt. It's not just 'welfare'. Social security is an entitlement when used to describe gov't expenditures.

Just face yourself time and Google federal entitlements so I don't have to keep explaining it.

Turtleneck wrote:I do not want to be under the umbrella with The Dude. I hate UM fans. Please use another poster for this analogy. Thank you.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Social Security needs to be reformed.  Raise the age before you can start collecting.  And probably means test.

And yes, immigration is a huge issue.  We have a right as a sovereign nation to borders and citizenship.  Illegal immigration is a massive, massive problem in this country.  Immigration is actually probably the most important issue right now and biggest threat to the well being of actual Americans and the future of this country.

Because Trump says so?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:I do not want to be under the umbrella with The Dude. I hate UM fans. Please use another poster for this analogy. Thank you.

You get to be Medicaid because you need to get surgery on your face.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You get to be Medicaid because you need to get surgery on your face.

Can I be a big fucking gun instead?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Can I be a big fucking gun instead?

No. You are social security. I am welfare. And the dude is some kind of education reform program.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Holy shit. Yeah, everyone knows that. This is kind of funny. We're not even arguing about something, you just can't seem to grasp this simple question.

Okay, I want you to picture a really big umbrella. Like, a beach umbrella. It's a big one for sure. It doesn't matter what color it is please stay focused. Now, under this umbrella we're going to have me, the dude, turtleneck and pylon. Lets pretend that the umbrellas name is "entitlements" and that each of us are a different entitlement.

So, are you talking about the umbrella or are you talking about one of us? Because you keep saying entitlements when really what you mean is social security since you don't seem to mean anything specific about the other ones. (which, to go back to the analogy to make this easy for you, is pylon, not the umbrella.)

What color is the umbrella?  Also, can we shoot guns from under it?

Liberty!!

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Dwags I made it very clear that the color of the umbrella is irrelevant. But as to not confuse anyone too much it's a drab brown.

And this is America. Of course you fucking can.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Dwags I made it very clear that the color of the umbrella is irrelevant. But as to not confuse anyone too much it's a drab brown.

And this is America. Of course you fucking can.

Wait, Wags can shoot a gun under the umbrella but I can't be one? This is some horseshit. I can be an entitlement gun, how about that? I am now an entitlement gun.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Wait, Wags can shoot a gun under the umbrella but I can't be one? This is some horseshit. I can be an entitlement gun, how about that? I am now an entitlement gun.

Fucking shit. Fine. You are the entitlement where we give everyone a free gun when they are born, turtleneck is Medicaid, I am social security and the dude is some kind of education reform program. Happy?

Turtleneck wrote:It is massive growing problem!!

LooseGoose wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:It is massive growing problem!!

Sort of like gun violence.   Amazing how politicians mislead the sheeple.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Fucking shit. Fine. You are the entitlement where we give everyone a free gun when they are born, turtleneck is Medicaid, I am social security and the dude is some kind of education reform program. Happy?

Can I be free rubbers for teens?

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

That is some Blanch level creepy, DWags. Please retract.

For balloons. What exactly were you thinking about?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Sort of like gun violence.   Amazing how politicians mislead the sheeple.

Still too high. Always been too high. We've been over this.

Turtleneck wrote:Here is something interesting: while violent crime in the US is going down it is significantly higher than other developed countries. Why?

Turtleneck wrote:However, active shooter events are increasing.

From 1976 to 1994, there were about 18 mass shootings per year, according to Fox’s data, which is drawn from  federal statistics. Between 1995 and 2004, a period covering the ban, there were about 19 incidents per year. And from 2005 to 2011, after the ban expired, the average went up to nearly 21.

AMong the most chilling details to emerge in the Orlando massacre is that the killer paused during his three-hour rampage at the Pulse nightclub to search Facebook for news about it.

“Pulse Orlando” and “shooting,” Omar Mateen typed into his smartphone, investigators found.

His real-time search is a striking data point in what has become a pattern in mass shootings: Killers deeply attuned to their media coverage and in some cases engineering it.

Media outlets have long taken the position that they simply report the news. But experts who study mass violence say they are also part of the story, because the intense coverage that such tragedies receive can inspire new shooters.

The 2007 Virginia Tech shooter interrupted his killing spree to mail a videotape to NBC to claim credit and explain his motives. The 2014 Isla Vista killer posted a manifesto on YouTube. Others have discussed their plans in online forums..

LooseGoose wrote:

Well I've read many articles on this one - let me try to find you a couple examples.   Mostly there seems to be a historical basis in the US for being more violent going back 200 years or more.   And no, I don't mean the Wild West which was shockingly peaceful.

LooseGoose wrote:First, that's an interestingly cherry picked starting point for their trend line, eh?

Federal government data says they're full of it.

Why banning AR-15s and other assault weapons won’t stop mass shootings

From 1976 to 1994, there were about 18 mass shootings per year, according to Fox’s data, which is drawn from  federal statistics. Between 1995 and 2004, a period covering the ban, there were about 19 incidents per year. And from 2005 to 2011, after the ban expired, the average went up to nearly 21.

A nearly 40 year increase from 18 per year to 21 per year is starkly different than your lying chart.

LooseGoose wrote:Second, More than once I've said I think the press has some culpability.

Are the media complicit in mass shootings?

AMong the most chilling details to emerge in the Orlando massacre is that the killer paused during his three-hour rampage at the Pulse nightclub to search Facebook for news about it.

“Pulse Orlando” and “shooting,” Omar Mateen typed into his smartphone, investigators found.

His real-time search is a striking data point in what has become a pattern in mass shootings: Killers deeply attuned to their media coverage and in some cases engineering it.

Media outlets have long taken the position that they simply report the news. But experts who study mass violence say they are also part of the story, because the intense coverage that such tragedies receive can inspire new shooters.

The 2007 Virginia Tech shooter interrupted his killing spree to mail a videotape to NBC to claim credit and explain his motives. The 2014 Isla Vista killer posted a manifesto on YouTube. Others have discussed their plans in online forums..

AG Lynch: "Our most effective response to terror and to hatred is compassion, it's unity and it's love."

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Well you see the media doesn't do a really great job of reporting these things but the R's proposed a bill sort of like that and guess what? The Democrats killed it. Bet you didn't see that on your nightly news reporting eh? You only heard how the NRA owned Republicans killed the Democrat bills.

Senate blocks all four gun control amendments

Here's wags: I don't give a fuck who proposed it and who fucking killed. 84% of Americans think it's a good idea. It's not a republican democrat thing. I like guns. I have them. My kids learn about them and respect them. We've lost our collective minds.

We've gone over the crazy bin and it's a done deal. Money and influence runs DC. We're completely fucked.

LooseGoose wrote:OK, I'm not going to worry about any more nor should you.

We have the best people in charge, let's rely on them.

AG Lynch: "Our most effective response to terror and to hatred is compassion, it's unity and it's love."