has izzo finally learned his lesson?

Stop recruiting skinny 1 D white players. From ken miller, to Jason Andreas, to tsherminator, to Tyrone deacon. All busts. And now we add two more to this long list.

Jason Klein has been the lone exception. Def not the rule

Yes, because he should listen to basketball experts like yourself on all decisions he makes.

Costello, Suton, Paul Davis...

AJ Granger says hello

CrazySparty wrote:Costello, Suton, Paul Davis...

He was careful to throw in the "skinny" qualifier. Savvy troll.

I don't know if avoiding skinny white kids is the answer, but I wish we could have a do-over with that 2010 class Izzo recruited.

Besides Payne, we had three players who just weren't what we needed at all. Appling, even when healthy, couldn't carry a team to a Final Four and Byrd/Gauna never should have had scholarships.

Byrd was very heavily recruited out of HS... he wasn't some abstract player Izzo found

Giant Moose wrote:I don't know if avoiding skinny white kids is the answer, but I wish we could have a do-over with that 2010 class Izzo recruited.

Besides Payne, we had three players who just weren't what we needed at all. Appling, even when healthy, couldn't carry a team to a Final Four and Byrd/Gauna never should have had scholarships.

The "healthy Appling and Byrd" debate can never be resolved, so I won't bother to wade into it, but IMHO it's hard to call any class that has a first round draft pick in it a bust - especially because more draft picks are exactly what Izzo needs on the recruiting trail right now. While I was sad to see the team lose in the Elite 8, I wasn't one who put a lot of stock in the value of the "every class a Final Four" talking point. I don't think there's a single major recruit who sees himself staying at any school four years anyway. Until "one and done" is scrapped what we need is draft picks to point to, and AP obviously helps with that.

Bizarro Fletch wrote:

The "healthy Appling and Byrd" debate can never be resolved, so I won't bother to wade into it, but IMHO it's hard to call any class that has a first round draft pick in it a bust - especially because more draft picks are exactly what Izzo needs on the recruiting trail right now.  While I was sad to see the team lose in the Elite 8, I wasn't one who put a lot of stock in the value of the "every class a Final Four" talking point.  I don't think there's a single major recruit who sees himself staying at any school four years anyway.  Until "one and done" is scrapped what we need is draft picks to point to, and AP obviously helps with that.

He needs more first round draft picks that go early to help with the elite players who don't see themselves as 4-year-players. If Harris goes in the first round that is much more important than Payne going in the first round.

I consider this class a bust since they were the first to not get to a Final Four under Izzo. Even if you weren't one to put a lot of stock in it, players seemed to value it, and it's been well-documented that Appling was very upset about ending the streak.

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Ishbia and Deacon ?

Giant Moose wrote:
He needs more first round draft picks that go early to help with the elite players who don't see themselves as 4-year-players. If Harris goes in the first round that is much more important than Payne going in the first round.

I consider this class a bust since they were the first to not get to a Final Four under Izzo. Even if you weren't one to put a lot of stock in it, players seemed to value it, and it's been well-documented that Appling was very upset about ending the streak.

I don't get the kid. He was on fire during the big tournament. He was back to scoring 10 to 14 points and hitting his jumper. Then he stopped shooting in the dance. Really needed him against ucon to drive to the basket like he did in the big tourny and he never tried. Oh well.

Giant Moose wrote:I don't know if avoiding skinny white kids is the answer, but I wish we could have a do-over with that 2010 class Izzo recruited.

Besides Payne, we had three players who just weren't what we needed at all. Appling, even when healthy, couldn't carry a team to a Final Four and Byrd/Gauna never should have had scholarships.

KA was not 100% in the tourney this year...KA in Nov/Dec was one of the best PGs in the country and that version of him would have given MSU a serious chance at winning the NC IMO.

Neitzel. Lock Thread.

We should all learn our lesson to not open your dumb ass threads

CheesySpartan wrote:

KA was not 100% in the tourney this year...KA in Nov/Dec was one of the best PGs in the country and that version of him would have given MSU a serious chance at winning the NC IMO.

Yes, I know he wasn't healthy but even healthy Appling with a 1 and a 3 seed in prior tourneys didn't get us there. 2012-2014 actually were the best 3 consecutive years of seeding we've had since 2001.

It really was a lost opportunity the past 3 years, and at MSU the PG has to feel heat for that. It's just the way it is.

Appling wasn't a PG, he became one. To the point of being the best pg in the nation until he got hurt. With him, we destroy UConn. Their one big match-up advantage is gone.

Giant Moose wrote:
He needs more first round draft picks that go early to help with the elite players who don't see themselves as 4-year-players. If Harris goes in the first round that is much more important than Payne going in the first round.

I consider this class a bust since they were the first to not get to a Final Four under Izzo. Even if you weren't one to put a lot of stock in it, players seemed to value it, and it's been well-documented that Appling was very upset about ending the streak.

My point was that I don't think any big time recruits are making decisions based on a cleverly contrived "streak" of four-year players making Final Fours because none of them plan to play four years anyway. Yes, Appling and Payne were disappointed they broke the streak, but I don't think any recruits will be lost because it ended. The streak was still intact when Jabari, Alexander, etc. all turned Izzo down. They want to play where they'll have the best chance to jump to the pros the fastest.

Tanfan! wrote:


I don't get the kid. He was on fire during the big tournament. He was back to scoring 10 to 14 points and hitting his jumper. Then he stopped shooting in the dance. Really needed him against ucon to drive to the basket like he did in the big tourny and he never tried. Oh well.

Appling will forever remain an enigma, but the bottom line is he just didn't have 'it' whether it be the mental fortitude or whatever.

The_Dude wrote:

Appling will forever remain an enigma, but the bottom line is he just didn't have 'it' whether it be the mental fortitude or whatever.

Shut the **** up. Don't even start with your retarded basketball "analysis" on this board.

Tuna with Miracle Whip, bitches, in a pita pocket. Cape Cod chips. Lots of coffee.

Mentalstate wrote:Appling wasn't a PG, he became one. To the point of being the best pg in the nation until he got hurt. With him, we destroy UConn. Their one big match-up advantage is gone.

Possibly the most delusional post I've read on the internets.

Mentalstate wrote:Appling wasn't a PG, he became one.

That's part of the problem I was referring to when I was talking about this class and Appling being not exactly what we needed there.

Byrd, at the time, had other solid offers and was supposed to be a player for us. Injuries and the lack of a killer instinct seemed to doom him.

But, I don't think Gauna should have ever gotten offered a scholarship. People said it originally on here when he committed, and they were right. He did not belong on the court.

SpartyHard wrote:Neitzel. Lock Thread.

wow, how did it take that long for Neitzel to be brought up? Nice work

I once said that Gauna's ceiling was to be a player similar to (but not as good as) Kevin Love.

  

Kevin McCallister wrote:

wow, how did it take that long for Neitzel to be brought up? Nice work

Howdy do? This is Mr. McCallister, the father. I'd like a hotel room, please...

Anyway, I opened this with the purpose of mentioning Neitzel as well.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Byrd, at the time, had other solid offers and was supposed to be a player for us. Injuries and the lack of a killer instinct seemed to doom him.

But, I don't think Gauna should have ever gotten offered a scholarship. People said it originally on here when he committed, and they were right. He did not belong on the court.

Tubby Smith wanted Byrd pretty badly at Kentucky.

CrazySparty wrote:Costello, Suton, Paul Davis...

...and none of those dudes are or were one dimensional

Mentalstate wrote:Appling wasn't a PG, he became one. To the point of being the best pg in the nation until he got hurt. With him, we destroy UConn. Their one big match-up advantage is gone.

Destroyed?? Ok mad sunshine from the blowers

Bizarro Fletch wrote:

The "healthy Appling and Byrd" debate can never be resolved, so I won't bother to wade into it, but IMHO it's hard to call any class that has a first round draft pick in it a bust - especially because more draft picks are exactly what Izzo needs on the recruiting trail right now. While I was sad to see the team lose in the Elite 8, I wasn't one who put a lot of stock in the value of the "every class a Final Four" talking point. I don't think there's a single major recruit who sees himself staying at any school four years anyway. Until "one and done" is scrapped what we need is draft picks to point to, and AP obviously helps with that.

Your kidding yourself if the streak didn't help recruit Payne and Appling. Course I'm not sure that's the route we needed to take....

Blanch32 wrote:

...and none of those dudes are or were one dimensional

Now qualifiers when your original argument is nuked?

Mods, can we get a Blanch mega - thread merge? I thank you in advance.

kingstonlake wrote:

Now qualifiers when your original argument is nuked?

In fairness to Potato Cakes, he did say "1 D," by which he apparently meant one dimensional. Although with him, he could simply have been try to spell "wand" or "want" or something.

Blanch32 wrote:

Your kidding yourself if the streak didn't help recruit Payne and Appling.  Course I'm not sure that's the route we needed to take....

Reeding compreehanson fail.

I don't know what's worse, your fucking pathetic level of basketball knowledge, or your GLIAC-level spelling abilities.

Forgive those who thought your '1 D' was supposed to be D1 and not 'one-dimensional'. It's like playing charades with cerebral palsy

If Gauna retires from the game, who will the Pistons draft?

No one who watched Appling play in HS could predict that shooting the basketball would be an issue. He was a scoring machine.

Tanfan! wrote:


I don't get the kid. He was on fire during the big tournament. He was back to scoring 10 to 14 points and hitting his jumper. Then he stopped shooting in the dance. Really needed him against ucon to drive to the basket like he did in the big tourny and he never tried. Oh well.

"Oh well"???? What kind of sunshine BS is this? Demand excellence!