POS Doctor Nassar will rot in jail forever

The university should make Mosallam the sole spokesperson until this shit is at a end. No one else has done anything to help.

I think most people understand that this seems like a failure on just a small number of people's part (investigation pending). But the seemingly insensitive responses from LAKS and the stupid bickering coming from the BoT has really hurt. I'm actually glad that Hollis has gone radio silent. Doing that doesn't allow another stupid remark to be uttered. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm lumping everyone in the same basket, but there are a lot of dumb comments coming from a large number of high ranking people withing the university.

LooseGoose wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Sounds like old news to me. But you can keep playing the offended card as you like to say; every time someone replies to your posts.

I wasn't offended by you replying. I was offended that you of all people want to lecture me. Grow up a bit 1st.

Does growing up = blaming families? Or how about we discuss what the girls were wearing when Nassar was in the room with them?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

I wasn't offended by you replying. I was offended that you of all people want to lecture me. Grow up a bit 1st.

Does growing up = blaming families? Or how about we discuss what the girls were wearing when Nassar was in the room with them?

Please point out where I "blamed" families. I have pointed out that dropping your kid off for others to raise involves heightened risk. Whether that's gymnastics, equestrians, hockey - whatever sport. If the parent isn't there the kid is more vulnerable.

That's not blaming anyone, that's reality. There have been major molestation cases in many of these situations. Predators look for the vulnerable and any child not in direct care of their parents is more vulnerable. You can join the others and twist that any way you want but the facts are the facts. I'm pretty sure that many of these parents are unhappy with the decisions they made and the people they trusted.

And I could make fun of your absurd clothing point but that would simply join you in wallowing in stupidity clothed as empathy.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:The victim impact statements are having an impact on much more than sentencing. If it weren't for these public statements, this would've quietly gone away.

And that's disturbing. So grateful for these young ladies.

I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

Well Wags history has shown us time and time again that mob justice isn't good justice.

People let emotions rule and do major damage under the cloak of trying to do "what's right".

Everyone would be better off to wait and let the slow moving American Justice system to grind it's way through this.

They won't. The newspapers are fanning the mobs which I find interesting since usually they're the ones condemning them.

Good for youngest wags, and until the top has been cleared out - fuck em.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:The victim impact statements are having an impact on much more than sentencing. If it weren't for these public statements, this would've quietly gone away.

And that's disturbing. So grateful for these young ladies.

I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

Yeah, Joel Fergusons comments yesterday were just awful and really soured my opinions about the university and how it has handled this. It really is shameful.

steveschneider wrote:

DWags wrote:


I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

Yeah, Joel Fergusons comments yesterday were just awful and really soured my opinions about the university and how it has handled this. It really is shameful.

And this is probably more true for the general public. Most people don't realize what a bad impact JF has had on MSU for decades.

Goose still not really getting it. This is a different issue than who knew what and when. This is how the “leadership” has responded to it and it’s fucking unacceptable. Because a lot of us went to the school, the green classes keep reverting back to “due process” but this is a separate issue from a potential cover up.

It’s pretty sad to think about how this thread would be so different if it happened at another school in Michigan. You paid $ to take classes at this place, partied, and made some great friends. You would have done the same at any institution. Get a grip, MSU isnt special. It’s actually proving to be the opposite.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Goose still not really getting it. This is a different issue than who knew what and when. This is how the “leadership” has responded to it and it’s fucking unacceptable.

So the leadership response is why you brought up what the girls were wearing.

LooseGoose wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Goose still not really getting it. This is a different issue than who knew what and when. This is how the “leadership” has responded to it and it’s fucking unacceptable.

So the leadership response is why you brought up what the girls were wearing.

Nah I let that go because i know where you stand when it comes to things like this.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:The victim impact statements are having an impact on much more than sentencing. If it weren't for these public statements, this would've quietly gone away.

And that's disturbing. So grateful for these young ladies.

I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

Sounds like your daughter isn't basing her college choice on the most relevant of issues. But whatevs. Girls always make emotional decisions.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Goose still not really getting it. This is a different issue than who knew what and when. This is how the “leadership” has responded to it and it’s fucking unacceptable. Because a lot of us went to the school, the green classes keep reverting back to “due process” but this is a separate issue from a potential cover up.

It’s pretty sad to think about how this thread would be so different if it happened at another school in Michigan. You paid $ to take classes at this place, partied, and made some great friends. You would have done the same at any institution. Get a grip, MSU isnt special. It’s actually proving to be the opposite.

You seem hormonal, bro.

steveschneider wrote:

DWags wrote:


I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

Yeah, Joel Fergusons comments yesterday were just awful and really soured my opinions about the university and how it has handled this. It really is shameful.

To be sure, it wasn't his comments that put the youngest one on a path to seeing her way to another school. I don't really know her final decision yet.  But it wasn't JF's comments to do it.  It was the outcry on radio, it was articles calling for the head of the university, it was the impact of the testimony from victims, it was everything.   I really believe we're going to see MSU take huge steps backwards for a while.   Just my feeling, I only started feeling that way yesterday talking to the youngest about the whole thing.  I guess I never really thought how far reaching this would become.

Hope you guys are following this. It's compelling. He gives a statement and then judge reads his letter from last week where he claims it was all medical.

Campus is watching. https://twitter.com/SouichiTerada26/status/956216467560812544

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Hope you guys are following this. It's compelling. He gives a statement and then judge reads his letter from last week where he claims it was all medical.

Campus is watching. https://twitter.com/SouichiTerada26/status/956216467560812544

Any way to stream it?

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:The victim impact statements are having an impact on much more than sentencing. If it weren't for these public statements, this would've quietly gone away.

And that's disturbing. So grateful for these young ladies.

I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

can't disagree. We've had the same conversations in my house.

There is no right answer. There is just the answer that is right for each person.

Hang in there.

steveschneider wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Hope you guys are following this. It's compelling. He gives a statement and then judge reads his letter from last week where he claims it was all medical.

Campus is watching. https://twitter.com/SouichiTerada26/status/956216467560812544

Any way to stream it?

dude it's everywhere. Freep, LSJ, CNN is live streaming

https://twitter.com/RiMurdock/status/956219002707210240

Is she saying she hopes he gets shanked?

If they give him an inch of space and a bedsheet, he's going to hang himself. He's a coward.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Any way to stream it?

dude it's everywhere. Freep, LSJ, CNN is live streaming

Yeah, found it on the freep. I should have checked first.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:


I'll get personal here.  My family really got into this last night.  My wife is a Spartan, my daughter is a Spartan, I'm a Spartan, and my 2nd daughter is poised to become one.  After last night, I dont' think she will be.  Was pretty disheartening, but completely understood.  I really think this will have a huge impact on MSU, way beyond just cutting off the head of the snake.   We'll get rid of LAKS, we'll most likely get rid of Hollis, those are given.  We can't get rid of the morons who speak idiocy on the BoT, but so be it.  

Getting rid of those at the top is not going to be enough to say, "look what we did we're good now".  This is going to majorly effect our fund raising, or outreach, our recruitment of teaching and research talent.  This will not be just a cut out and sew up type thing.   My youngest expressed doubts about going there now, and the oldest who is there, like many, is listening to the masses and feels embarrassed to be there.   Whether those feelings are justifiable or just whether they're emotional for now, they're the feelings they both have.   What got me was my wife bringing up Missouri to me.   Never really thought about that, but college is an intimidating thing to many young women who need to be away from home.   

Will it have this effect on MSU?  I don't know, but after hearing from my youngest last night, I wonder, and am mostly leaning that way.   Fuck Nassar. 

Missouri won't recover for a while


Within weeks, with the aid of the football team, they had forced the university system president and the campus chancellor to resign.
It was a moment of triumph for the protesting students. But it has been a disaster for the university.
Freshman enrollment at the Columbia campus, the system’s flagship, has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since.

can't disagree. We've had the same conversations in my house.

There is no right answer. There is just the answer that is right for each person.

Hang in there.

In the end, Im not sweating undergrad stuff anyway.   But my overall point here:  If the youngest, who is a legacy, who has been on the campus since she's a baby, who has stayed in dorms and apartments and houses with an older sister who is currently at MSU, is now having second thoughts, think about others.  Donors, up and coming teachers, who are thinking about teaching at MSU or elsewhere, researchers and research money.   

None of this is just because the board said asinine things or LAKS seeming to be tone deaf, or the frantic Spartans calling for everyone's head, but it's just a combination of all of them.  Maybe this conversation has only happened in our houses last night or this week, but I have a real funny feeling we're not alone here.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
can't disagree. We've had the same conversations in my house.

There is no right answer. There is just the answer that is right for each person.

Hang in there.

In the end, Im not sweating undergrad stuff anyway.   But my overall point here:  If the youngest, who is a legacy, who has been on the campus since she's a baby, who has stayed in dorms and apartments and houses with an older sister who is currently at MSU, is now having second thoughts, think about others.  Donors, up and coming teachers, who are thinking about teaching at MSU or elsewhere, researchers and research money.   

None of this is just because the board said asinine things or LAKS seeming to be tone deaf, or the frantic Spartans calling for everyone's head, but it's just a combination of all of them.  Maybe this conversation has only happened in our houses last night or this week, but I have a real funny feeling we're not alone here.

most definitely not alone. Everyone I know in East Lansing with a connection to the university is talking about it. It was a passing conversation over beers for the last 18 months. The victim impact statements have changed the intensity of the dialogue entirely.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:

In the end, Im not sweating undergrad stuff anyway.   But my overall point here:  If the youngest, who is a legacy, who has been on the campus since she's a baby, who has stayed in dorms and apartments and houses with an older sister who is currently at MSU, is now having second thoughts, think about others.  Donors, up and coming teachers, who are thinking about teaching at MSU or elsewhere, researchers and research money.   

None of this is just because the board said asinine things or LAKS seeming to be tone deaf, or the frantic Spartans calling for everyone's head, but it's just a combination of all of them.  Maybe this conversation has only happened in our houses last night or this week, but I have a real funny feeling we're not alone here.

most definitely not alone. Everyone I know in East Lansing with a connection to the university is talking about it. It was a passing conversation over beers for the last 18 months. The victim impact statements have changed the intensity of the dialogue entirely.

Yep.  Did you read the impact of the protests at Missouri?  I don't know that it will have the same impact, but we're all naive if we think this won't have some kind of similar impact.

Hopefully, if Ferguson tries to run for the Board again, his opponent uses this quote freely.

if you expect somebody to stand on principle at Michigan State, it won’t be Ferguson. Ever.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
most definitely not alone. Everyone I know in East Lansing with a connection to the university is talking about it. It was a passing conversation over beers for the last 18 months. The victim impact statements have changed the intensity of the dialogue entirely.

Yep.  Did you read the impact of the protests at Missouri?  I don't know that it will have the same impact, but we're all naive if we think this won't have some kind of similar impact.

I'll check it out. Thanks.

Only way Fergie doesn't run again is if he's dead or in jail.

If they clean house openly and transparently, I might think about donating again, so I wouldn't say this will cause irreparable damage to the U. It's just about how they handle it.

Rocinante wrote:If they clean house openly and transparently, I might think about donating again, so I wouldn't say this will cause irreparable damage to the U. It's just about how they handle it.

We disagree here. In the next decade, it will. It will take a while to rebuild. Just my opinion, this will severely effect every corner of our school. The legislature is now calling for the whole board to resign.

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:If they clean house openly and transparently, I might think about donating again, so I wouldn't say this will cause irreparable damage to the U.  It's just about how they handle it.  

We disagree here.  In the next decade, it will.  It will take a while to rebuild.   Just my opinion, this will severely effect every corner of our school.  The legislature is now calling for the whole board to resign.  

Link please?

Edit: Found one.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2018/01/24/house-speaker-calls-on-msu-board-to-resign/

I mean... so?  A BOT isn't irreplaceable.  In fact, it might be good.  They should all step down.  Fresh start.  Fuck 'em.  

I know I'm not as deeply rooted in the inner workings of the U as some of you, but what I cannot abide is sweeping any part of this under the rug, or anyone remaining in a position of authority who had any chance to change any of this.  That is why I hate Penn State with the fire of a thousand suns, and if MSU does any of that, I will not be a hypocrite. I'll wash my hands of that shit.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

DWags wrote:

We disagree here.  In the next decade, it will.  It will take a while to rebuild.   Just my opinion, this will severely effect every corner of our school.  The legislature is now calling for the whole board to resign.  

Link please?

Edit: Found one.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2018/01/24/house-speaker-calls-on-msu-board-to-resign/

Face it, 100% of us come to this board for MSU athletic reasons.  I'd say 95% plus are morally outstanding people, even tGreenway.  We all want whats best for the victims first, middle, and last.  Athletics are secondary and in the grand scheme of things mean shit.   But I'm not going to kid myself about the eventual impact this will also have on that corner of the university.   And I also feel we're to blame in fanning the flames of hysteria here, to get the perception of MSU being out of control out to the public.  If that helps stop future monsters and it helps make the victims whole, I'm all for it.  To say that MSU alumni calling for the blood of everyone doesn't contribute to a national perception of chaos at our school is a bit naive.  I'm not saying it's not deserved, but man, we sure do help this stuff.   Again, that's good if it helps the victims.  More of it is needed if it does.   But because our demands for heads to roll and not being able to come up with one good reason why they shouldn't and our legendary coach stumbling through this too, all will help with our penalty, punishment and scarlet letter we need to wear for years to come.   So be it.

Rocinante wrote:I mean... so?  A BOT isn't irreplaceable.  In fact, it might be good.  They should all step down.  Fresh start.  Fuck 'em.

It is a separate issue, but how we select university BOT members in Michigan is just asinine. As they are elected officials, the governor can theoretically remove them from office.

MSU addict wrote:

Rocinante wrote:I mean... so?  A BOT isn't irreplaceable.  In fact, it might be good.  They should all step down.  Fresh start.  Fuck 'em.

It is a separate issue, but how we select university BOT members in Michigan is just asinine. As they are elected officials, the governor can theoretically remove them from office.

Electing trustees/regents is dumb. Why in the hell should I be given the opportunity to vote for the green party candidates for the UM board or regents? I have to believe appointing them, even in light of political favors, would do a better job.

DWags wrote:Face it, 100% of us come to this board for MSU athletic reasons.  I'd say 95% plus are morally outstanding people, even tGreenway.  We all want whats best for the victims first, middle, and last.  Athletics are secondary and in the grand scheme of things mean shit.   But I'm not going to kid myself about the eventual impact this will also have on that corner of the university.   And I also feel we're to blame in fanning the flames of hysteria here, to get the perception of MSU being out of control out to the public.  If that helps stop future monsters and it helps make the victims whole, I'm all for it.  To say that MSU alumni calling for the blood of everyone doesn't contribute to a national perception of chaos at our school is a bit naive.  I'm not saying it's not deserved, but man, we sure do help this stuff.   Again, that's good if it helps the victims.  More of it is needed if it does.   But because our demands for heads to roll and not being able to come up with one good reason why they shouldn't and our legendary coach stumbling through this too, all will help with our penalty, punishment and scarlet letter we need to wear for years to come.   So be it.

I understand where you are coming from, but there is no right answer.  If all of our alumni were silent, that could and would be interpreted as supporting a culture that allowed this to happen.

In the end each of us feel the way we feel.  Realistically, all of our pontificating on a message board is not going to change anyone's mind.  It is mostly a place to vent and to offer counterpoints to what others are saying.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

MSU addict wrote:

It is a separate issue, but how we select university BOT members in Michigan is just asinine. As they are elected officials, the governor can theoretically remove them from office.

Electing trustees/regents is dumb. Why in the hell should I be given the opportunity to vote for the green party candidates for the UM board or regents? I have to believe appointing them, even in light of political favors, would do a better job.

In reality, getting placed on the ballot is a political favor. No independent person will ever be elected to a BOT position in Michigan.

Do you want to know what I suspect to be true? I think the BoT had some plans in mind for how to navigate these waters very carefully and respectfully in light of the pending litigation, and then to have Simon and perhaps other leaders resign when that cloud was lifted, and then at that time they could speak freely. Then Lyons broke ranks, perhaps out of his need to always call attention to himself. And then Ferguson went Ferguson.

Whether the plan would have actually worked in the current bloodlust climate or not is anyone's guess but I have a pretty good idea that something like that was in play. Now it's all chaos.

Should be interesting to see what happens in that regard next.

Izzone is wearing teal for the victims to the game on Friday and in support of Simon resigning.

This is really interesting.

https://www.gongwer.com/programming/blogindex.cfm

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:This is really interesting.

https://www.gongwer.com/programming/blogindex.cfm

“The Nassar victim count is up to 200 – and rising. It doesn’t take advanced math to see the liability potentially surging past $1 billion.

That type of a judgment or settlement would have massive consequences for the university if it had to pay out of its own funds. So every move MSU is making appears governed by that fear.

The problem with this approach is obvious. In its effort to stave off financial ruin, MSU is suffering reputational ruin.”


Rock<<MSU>>Hard place.

Anybody wanna bet this could be a decade long or longer recovery

Well it's been what, 5 years since the dust settled at Penn State? Would you say they have recovered?