How can the Democrats start winning?

DWags wrote:Not to change the subject back but:

HILLARY PLEASE GO THE FUCK AWAY.  JUST DISAPPEAR. GO. GOODBYE.  YOU ARE NOW EMPLOYING THE SCORCHED EARTH  DEFENSE.

I get it. It has to kill to be as close to the presidency as she was and feel like you got cheated, but she is now looking to take the party down. She has now inserted herself before party. She's the republicans best friend right now. It's disgusting.

Rant kind of over.  

steveschneider wrote:

DWags wrote:Not to change the subject back but:

HILLARY PLEASE GO THE FUCK AWAY.  JUST DISAPPEAR. GO. GOODBYE.  YOU ARE NOW EMPLOYING THE SCORCHED EARTH  DEFENSE.

I get it. It has to kill to be as close to the presidency as she was and feel like you got cheated, but she is now looking to take the party down. She has now inserted herself before party. She's the republicans best friend right now. It's disgusting.

Rant kind of over.  

I agree. Her rant yesterday was pathetic, and you never saw Romney throw his staff under the bus.

I'm pulling from Bill Maher but his take was something like:

Thank you for 30 years of service, now go away. Stop hogging the light so other trees can grow.

And

She had her turn and she blew it. She was like Bill Buckner she let the ball go through her legs and lost the election.

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Seriously the best she can do, is be graceful in defeat, keep working on her foundation (it does some great work don't buy the BS from the fake news) and be a grandmother.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I enjoy how people just want Hillary to go away.... while we have a racist bigot who admits to sexually assaulting women in the White House..

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I enjoy how people just want Hillary to go away.... while we have a racist bigot who admits to sexually assaulting women in the White House..

I want Trump to get impeached.  However, I really want Hilliary to help the left, and stop hurting it.   Jimmy Carter built houses.   Quietly.   She's now throwing the party under the bus, in true left wing style, there are some in our political persuasion who have no problem with that.  I do.  i guess it's what makes us democrats.  But I really believe she is hurting the left more than helping at this point.  Doesn't mean I don't detest Trump and everything he stands for.  

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:

I want Trump to get impeached.  However, I really want Hilliary to help the left, and stop hurting it.   Jimmy Carter built houses.   Quietly.   She's now throwing the party under the bus, in true left wing style, there are some in our political persuasion who have no problem with that.  I do.  i guess it's what makes us democrats.  But I really believe she is hurting the left more than helping at this point.  Doesn't mean I don't detest Trump and everything he stands for.  

I truly don't know what she's saying.. I don't watch the news.

it's just funny how this, in my opinion, outlines the entire subtext of this thread. People who profess to not support the sexual predator want Hillary to be nice and just go away..

you remember how a lot of republicans derided the sexual predator during the primary.. then when he was their candidate, they lined up behind him with big smiles.. supporting his vile, racist, bigoted and misogynistic agenda. They could have just stayed home and said "I wish he would just go away" - but they're too immoral, unethical and hungry for power to do that - so, instead, the sexual predator won a historical election and was inaugurated in front of the largest crowd to ever witness such an event.

my problem isn't with you (obviously - you know I dig you) and it certainly isn't with Hillary. It's that we're posting a thread about "what can Democrats do to start winning" and people are wishing Hillary would just be nice and polite and go away. That's not how you win elections when you're running against a vile excuse for a man who has a rabid degree of support from Americans who are equally as vile.

(though, to be fair, I want America to be civil. I want our leaders to be people we can look up to and admire. But look where that got us).

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I truly don't know what she's saying.. I don't watch the news.

it's just funny how this, in my opinion, outlines the entire subtext of this thread. People who profess to not support the sexual predator want Hillary to be nice and just go away..

you remember how a lot of republicans derided the sexual predator during the primary.. then when he was their candidate, they lined up behind him with big smiles.. supporting his vile, racist, bigoted and misogynistic agenda. They could have just stayed home and said "I wish he would just go away" - but they're too immoral, unethical and hungry for power to do that - so, instead, the sexual predator won a historical election and was inaugurated in front of the largest crowd to ever witness such an event.

my problem isn't with you (obviously - you know I dig you) and it certainly isn't with Hillary. It's that we're posting a thread about "what can Democrats do to start winning" and people are wishing Hillary would just be nice and polite and go away. That's not how you win elections when you're running against a vile excuse for a man who has a rabid degree of support from Americans who are equally as vile.

(though, to be fair, I want America to be civil. I want our leaders to be people we can look up to and admire. But look where that got us).

I don't care if Hillary is nice or polite, but you're damn right I want her to go away.

Anyone who is interested in seeing Trump not getting a second term should be on board with Hillary shutting the hell up. She's not helping. People fucking hate that bitch, and the sooner they forget about her, the sooner the democrats can be free of her taint.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I enjoy how people just want Hillary to go away.... while we have a racist bigot who admits to sexually assaulting women in the White House..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I don't care if Hillary is nice or polite, but you're damn right I want her to go away.

Anyone who is interested in seeing Trump not getting a second term should be on board with Hillary shutting the hell up. She's not helping. People fucking hate that bitch, and the sooner they forget about her, the sooner the democrats can be free of her taint.

you forgot about her email account.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:you forgot about her email account.

And the sooner the voting public does the same, the better. That won't happen if she keeps yapping.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

And the sooner the voting public does the same, the better. That won't happen if she keeps yapping.

meh.. I was never bothered by her email account.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:meh.. I was never bothered by her email account.

Neither was I, but you brought it up.

GRR Spartan wrote:If you have Netflix watch Season 4 Episode 9,   Printer's Devil.

Its a corollary to today's GOP and Trump.

Trump is in The White House and he's doing somethings the GOP wanted like appointing SCOTUS but he's bringing a lot of unwanted baggage and its getting out of thir control.

The GOP has made their pact.  How or if they can get out of their agreement with Trump in The White House is their real life Twilight Zone.


PS
Hillary was a flawed candidate with friends in high places to secure the nomination and despite her pleas of ignorance, I have personaly spoken to MI Democratic party officials who say the inner circle of Clinton's campaign were ignoring their calls, emails and texts for more appearances by Clinton in SE MI and Kalamazoo along with money to counter the GOP media blitz in the last 6 weeks.

Comes time when you walk away and being on the losing end of two Presidential bids and losing twice, once at the party level in '08 and again as the nominee in '16 is that time. She needs to talk to Bill and Melinda Gates about finding a non-political cause and put energy into that. Bill and Hillary Clinton developed a lot of friendships that could be donors to a cause.

LooseGoose wrote:Bob is never bothered by crooks with the (D) after their name.

We received a message from the future this week, directed to the outraged liberals of the so-called anti-Trump resistance. It was delivered by an unlikely intermediary, Greg Gianforte, the Republican who won a special election on Thursday and will soon take his seat in Congress as Montana’s lone representative. (Here’s a trivia question to distract you from the doom and gloom: Without recourse to Google, how many other states can you name that have only one House seat?)

If you found yourself ashen-faced and dismayed on Friday morning, because you really believed the Montana election would bring a sign of hope and mark the beginning of a return to sanity in American politics, then the message encoded in Gianforte’s victory is for you. It goes something like this:

Get over Montana already — and stop trolling yourself with that stupid special election in Georgia too. They don’t mean anything, and anyway — that dude Jon Ossoff? He’s about the lamest excuse for a national progressive hero in the entire history of Democratic Party milquetoast triangulation. Oh, and since we’re on the subject: Forget about the “blue wave” of 2018. Forget about the Democratic majority of 2019. Forget about the impeachment of President Donald Trump. Have you even been paying attention? Because none of that stuff is happening and it’s all a massive distraction.

LooseGoose wrote:With Biden, Hills & Warren all gearing up for a 2020 run it seems youth will be served.


Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment Lessons of Montana: There's no quick fix for Trump or our damaged democracy — and the Democrats still look hopeless

We received a message from the future this week, directed to the outraged liberals of the so-called anti-Trump resistance. It was delivered by an unlikely intermediary, Greg Gianforte, the Republican who won a special election on Thursday and will soon take his seat in Congress as Montana’s lone representative. (Here’s a trivia question to distract you from the doom and gloom: Without recourse to Google, how many other states can you name that have only one House seat?)

If you found yourself ashen-faced and dismayed on Friday morning, because you really believed the Montana election would bring a sign of hope and mark the beginning of a return to sanity in American politics, then the message encoded in Gianforte’s victory is for you. It goes something like this:

Get over Montana already — and stop trolling yourself with that stupid special election in Georgia too. They don’t mean anything, and anyway — that dude Jon Ossoff? He’s about the lamest excuse for a national progressive hero in the entire history of Democratic Party milquetoast triangulation. Oh, and since we’re on the subject: Forget about the “blue wave” of 2018. Forget about the Democratic majority of 2019. Forget about the impeachment of President Donald Trump. Have you even been paying attention? Because none of that stuff is happening and it’s all a massive distraction.

LooseGoose wrote:With Biden, Hills & Warren all gearing up for a 2020 run it seems youth will be served.


Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment Lessons of Montana: There's no quick fix for Trump or our damaged democracy — and the Democrats still look hopeless

We received a message from the future this week, directed to the outraged liberals of the so-called anti-Trump resistance. It was delivered by an unlikely intermediary, Greg Gianforte, the Republican who won a special election on Thursday and will soon take his seat in Congress as Montana’s lone representative. (Here’s a trivia question to distract you from the doom and gloom: Without recourse to Google, how many other states can you name that have only one House seat?)

If you found yourself ashen-faced and dismayed on Friday morning, because you really believed the Montana election would bring a sign of hope and mark the beginning of a return to sanity in American politics, then the message encoded in Gianforte’s victory is for you. It goes something like this:

Get over Montana already — and stop trolling yourself with that stupid special election in Georgia too. They don’t mean anything, and anyway — that dude Jon Ossoff? He’s about the lamest excuse for a national progressive hero in the entire history of Democratic Party milquetoast triangulation. Oh, and since we’re on the subject: Forget about the “blue wave” of 2018. Forget about the Democratic majority of 2019. Forget about the impeachment of President Donald Trump. Have you even been paying attention? Because none of that stuff is happening and it’s all a massive distraction.

LooseGoose wrote:With Biden, Hills & Warren all gearing up for a 2020 run it seems youth will be served.


Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment Lessons of Montana: There's no quick fix for Trump or our damaged democracy — and the Democrats still look hopeless

We received a message from the future this week, directed to the outraged liberals of the so-called anti-Trump resistance. It was delivered by an unlikely intermediary, Greg Gianforte, the Republican who won a special election on Thursday and will soon take his seat in Congress as Montana’s lone representative. (Here’s a trivia question to distract you from the doom and gloom: Without recourse to Google, how many other states can you name that have only one House seat?)

If you found yourself ashen-faced and dismayed on Friday morning, because you really believed the Montana election would bring a sign of hope and mark the beginning of a return to sanity in American politics, then the message encoded in Gianforte’s victory is for you. It goes something like this:

Get over Montana already — and stop trolling yourself with that stupid special election in Georgia too. They don’t mean anything, and anyway — that dude Jon Ossoff? He’s about the lamest excuse for a national progressive hero in the entire history of Democratic Party milquetoast triangulation. Oh, and since we’re on the subject: Forget about the “blue wave” of 2018. Forget about the Democratic majority of 2019. Forget about the impeachment of President Donald Trump. Have you even been paying attention? Because none of that stuff is happening and it’s all a massive distraction.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:With Biden, Hills & Warren all gearing up for a 2020 run it seems youth will be served.


Wake up, liberals: There will be no 2018 “blue wave,” no Democratic majority and no impeachment Lessons of Montana: There's no quick fix for Trump or our damaged democracy — and the Democrats still look hopeless

We'll just have to wait until 2018 and find out won't we goose?

LooseGoose wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

We'll just have to wait until 2018 and find out won't we goose?

Yep. A wise man once told people that "elections matter". His party now wants to change that.

steveschneider wrote:Bloomberg came out in an interview the other day and said he places the odds on Trump getting re elected at about 55%.

Says the Dems need a message. I thought my bullet points up above were pretty damn good.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Bloomberg came out in an interview the other day and said he places the odds on Trump getting re elected at about 55%.

Says the Dems need a message. I thought my bullet points up above were pretty damn good.

The Dems problem is that they don't know who they are. They get most of their $$ from the very rich and very liberal. They get their energy and volunteers from the decidedly upper class skewed liberal arts colleges. Supposedly the core of the party is the working man and woman. The problem is that groups #1 & #2 think group #3 are a lot of stupid hicks.

It can't hold together long term.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

The Dems problem is that they don't know who they are. They get most of their $$ from the very rich and very liberal. They get their energy and volunteers from the decidedly upper class skewed liberal arts colleges. Supposedly the core of the party is the working man and woman. The problem is that groups #1 & #2 think group #3 are a lot of stupid hicks.

It can't hold together long term.

Mostly wrong.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Bloomberg came out in an interview the other day and said he places the odds on Trump getting re elected at about 55%.

Says the Dems need a message. I thought my bullet points up above were pretty damn good.

The Dems problem is that they don't know who they are. They get most of their $$ from the very rich and very liberal. They get their energy and volunteers from the decidedly upper class skewed liberal arts colleges. Supposedly the core of the party is the working man and woman. The problem is that groups #1 & #2 think group #3 are a lot of stupid hicks.

It can't hold together long term.

LooseGoose wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Mostly wrong.

And Pylon says we can't have a discussion and it's all on me.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

The Dems problem is that they don't know who they are. They get most of their $$ from the very rich and very liberal. They get their energy and volunteers from the decidedly upper class skewed liberal arts colleges. Supposedly the core of the party is the working man and woman. The problem is that groups #1 & #2 think group #3 are a lot of stupid hicks.

It can't hold together long term.

Mostly wrong.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

And Pylon says we can't have a discussion and it's all on me.

I mean the only thread where you decide to have a discussion is the one where you show up to tell other people about why their party is doing stuff wrong. Then you say ludicrous stuff like "they get their money from the very rich"

The only thing I'll agree with you on is that 1 and 2 think 3 is largely stupid hicks. yeah, pretty much. And in a whole lot of cases, they aren't really wrong. A lot of people in this country are super super stupid.

Cameron wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

I mean the only thread where you decide to have a discussion is the one where you show up to tell other people about why their party is doing stuff wrong. Then you say ludicrous stuff like "they get their money from the very rich"

The only thing I'll agree with you on is that 1 and 2 think 3 is largely stupid hicks. yeah, pretty much. And in a whole lot of cases, they aren't really wrong. A lot of people in this country are super super stupid.

I think the very rich supply most of the funding for both sides. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd need some data to dissuade me.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I think the very rich supply most of the funding for both sides. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd need some data to dissuade me.

Bernies campaign was funded by mostly small donations. So there's that. Yeah, there are going to be large donations that fund a lot of it but that's on both sides. It's no different, so the implication in the post was wrong. Suggesting that democrats are mostly liberal arts college rich kids is wrong. It's just not right.

Thinking dumb people are dumb though. Yeah, he's right there.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:So, one of the candidates was largely funded by small donations.... and that means that it's mostly large donations. I'd guess that democrats have a lot more small donors. I'd think republicans are largely founded by huge donors and many fewer small donors.

Though who the fuck knows. I'll concede it since I'm not willing to dig into this cause frankly, I think it's irrelevant. Going forward democrats need a lot more money for their races. Republicans destroyed democrats in Montana money wise. Can't let that keep happening.

Pointing out that most college kids are democrats doesn't mean that most democrats are college kids. I'm not sure how I cant explain how that's not right.... it just isn't. Those two things aren't the same thing. Here's an analogy... most lucky charms marshmallows are yellow (just go with it) so lucky charms cereal is delicious yellow marshmallow. It isn't though. It's mostly gross processed wheat stuff.

Cameron wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:So, one of the candidates was largely funded by small donations.... and that means that it's mostly large donations. We could look all day at various races since where republican money trounces democrats (like Montana) but if not gonna link it for you.

Pointing out that most college kids are democrats doesn't mean that most democrats are college kids. I'm not sure how I cant explain how that's not right.... it just isn't. Those two things aren't the same thing. Here's an analogy... most lucky charms marshmallows are yellow (just go with it) so lucky charms cereal is delicious yellow marshmallow. It isn't though. It's mostly gross processed wheat stuff.

Goose never said that most democrats are college kids. He said they get most of their energy and volunteers from liberal arts colleges. I don't think that's incorrect. I think the loudest and most passionate voices in support of the democratic party have demonstrable ties to liberal arts colleges. You characterized his post as "mostly wrong," but it seems like you should have said something more along the lines of "incomplete," or at most, "misleading."

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Goose never said that most democrats are college kids. He said they get most of their energy and volunteers from liberal arts colleges. I don't think that's incorrect. I think the loudest and most passionate voices in support of the democratic party have demonstrable ties to liberal arts colleges. You characterized his post as "mostly wrong," but it seems like you should have said something more along the lines of "incomplete," or at most, "misleading."

Fine. Misleading. Cool, whatever.

It doesn't really relate to something that needs to change though. Unless he's saying that more people need to get educations so they aren't in column 3 anymore. I think that's fair. That's why the whole free or reasonably priced education thing would make a whole lot of sense to work around.