Kid Rock supporter: Don't know, don't care. He loves America more than most people

this is someone who I'd really like to get to know better..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:this is someone who I'd really like to get to know better..

Kind of par for the course for music. Confederate flags and swastikas have been prevalent in rock music since the 60s. Some of the biggest acts (Rolling Stones/Bowie) all had dabbled in sporting Nazi Military clothing. Nazi imagery was very present in 70's punk. Michigan's own Stooges Ron Asheton used to stand on stage wearing an SS uniform.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/how-david-bowie-brought-thin-white-duke-to-life-on-station-to-station-125797/

Of course he was coked out of his mind but

"His state of mind was agitated and manic – holing up in a rented house in Bel Air and burning black candles, he claimed to see bodies fall past his window and became obsessed with the occult. In interviews, he proclaimed his admiration for Adolf Hitler (“One of the first rock stars … quite as good as Jagger”) and called for “a right-wing, totally dictatorial tyranny.” The songs on the album he recorded that year, Station to Station, were born from this madness and ended up transcending it as well."

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:
Actually Bob the article stated that there was very little political banter on the cruise.

okay.. but you're still sequestered on a boat with them.. right?

We're not talking about discussing opposing political theories as it relates to income inequality, maybe climate change.. strategies relative to how to combat plummeting test scores of inner city schools while simultaneously finding ways to attract skilled educators to those schools and providing wrap-around support for students and their families..

We're talking about pathetic, disgusting people and there's just not enough antibiotic casseroles on the dinner buffet that could make me look around and say "wow, this is awesome".

All fair enough but if we go about judging music by there fan bases or judging fan bases by the music.....

kingstonlake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: okay.. but you're still sequestered on a boat with them.. right?

We're not talking about discussing opposing political theories as it relates to income inequality, maybe climate change.. strategies relative to how to combat plummeting test scores of inner city schools while simultaneously finding ways to attract skilled educators to those schools and providing wrap-around support for students and their families..

We're talking about pathetic, disgusting people and there's just not enough antibiotic casseroles on the dinner buffet that could make me look around and say "wow, this is awesome".

All fair enough but if we go about judging music by there fan bases or judging fan bases by the music.....

I prefer to judge people by the music they listen to.. I don't take many things seriously - but I do take my tunes seriously.

oh - and I take racism, bigotry and misogyny seriously.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:this is someone who I'd really like to get to know better..

Kind of par for the course for music. Confederate flags and swastikas have been prevalent in rock music since the 60s. Some of the biggest acts (Rolling Stones/Bowie) all had dabbled in sporting Nazi Military clothing. Nazi imagery was very present in 70's punk. Michigan's own Stooges Ron Asheton used to stand on stage wearing an SS uniform.

being someone from the mountains of North Carolina who grew up around plenty of good 'ol boys.. if you have to advertise that you're a good 'ol boy by waving the Confederate Flag.. you're really just a racist bigot looking for less outwardly caustic way to promote your racism and bigotry.

genuine good 'ol southern boys don't need to advertise it.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Kind of par for the course for music. Confederate flags and swastikas have been prevalent in rock music since the 60s. Some of the biggest acts (Rolling Stones/Bowie) all had dabbled in sporting Nazi Military clothing. Nazi imagery was very present in 70's punk. Michigan's own Stooges Ron Asheton used to stand on stage wearing an SS uniform.

being someone from the mountains of North Carolina who grew up around plenty of good 'ol boys.. if you have to advertise that you're a good 'ol boy by waving the Confederate Flag.. you're really just a racist bigot looking for less outwardly caustic way to promote your racism and bigotry.

genuine good 'ol southern boys don't need to advertise it.

Yeah, I agree it's a repugnant imagery but like you I have probably over a 1000 albums and obsess over music. I just don't think the stars and bars or nazi references are that uncommon in a lot of the music I enjoy. A lot of anti semitism and racism against asians in a lot of the early hip hop I used to listen to as well. A lot of statutory rape among some of the biggest acts in music as well (Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, Marvin Gaye, Bowie, Prince). I've just come to accept these are incredibly flawed individuals that are making popular music.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: being someone from the mountains of North Carolina who grew up around plenty of good 'ol boys.. if you have to advertise that you're a good 'ol boy by waving the Confederate Flag.. you're really just a racist bigot looking for less outwardly caustic way to promote your racism and bigotry.

genuine good 'ol southern boys don't need to advertise it.

Yeah, I agree it's a repugnant imagery but like you I have probably over a 1000 albums and obsess over music. I just don't think the stars and bars or nazi references are that uncommon in a lot of the music I enjoy. A lot of anti semitism and racism against asians in a lot of the early hip hop I used to listen to as well. A lot of statutory rape among some of the biggest acts in music as well (Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, Marvin Gaye, Bowie, Prince). I've just come to accept these are incredibly flawed individuals that are making popular music.

"admire the art and not the artist".

pretty good way to look at it.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yeah, I agree it's a repugnant imagery but like you I have probably over a 1000 albums and obsess over music. I just don't think the stars and bars or nazi references are that uncommon in a lot of the music I enjoy. A lot of anti semitism and racism against asians in a lot of the early hip hop I used to listen to as well. A lot of statutory rape among some of the biggest acts in music as well (Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, Marvin Gaye, Bowie, Prince). I've just come to accept these are incredibly flawed individuals that are making popular music.

"admire the art and not the artist".

pretty good way to look at it.

Yep, that's where I'm at.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:"admire the art and not the artist".

pretty good way to look at it.

Yep, that's where I'm at.

I was pretty bummed when the Ryan Adams news broke back in the winter. Love his music, dating all the way back to Whiskeytown.. and I knew he could be a total jerk.. and, yeah, of course.. rock stars dig the ladies - not exactly 'breaking news' - but the story regarding his online relationship with the 14 year old girl was quite the turn off. Haven't listened to his music since.. which is unfortunate because, as I mentioned - was a total 'go-to' almost every day. I think his music would sound differently now, which sucks.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yep, that's where I'm at.

I was pretty bummed when the Ryan Adams news broke back in the winter. Love his music, dating all the way back to Whiskeytown.. and I knew he could be a total jerk.. and, yeah, of course.. rock stars dig the ladies - not exactly 'breaking news' - but the story regarding his online relationship with the 14 year old girl was quite the turn off. Haven't listened to his music since.. which is unfortunate because, as I mentioned - was a total 'go-to' almost every day. I think his music would sound differently now, which sucks.

Yeah, personally I just separate the art from the artist. I wasn't kidding when I said I have over 1000 albums. If I started making moral judgements about the artists that reside in my collection I'd probably have 4 albums left.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I was pretty bummed when the Ryan Adams news broke back in the winter. Love his music, dating all the way back to Whiskeytown.. and I knew he could be a total jerk.. and, yeah, of course.. rock stars dig the ladies - not exactly 'breaking news' - but the story regarding his online relationship with the 14 year old girl was quite the turn off. Haven't listened to his music since.. which is unfortunate because, as I mentioned - was a total 'go-to' almost every day. I think his music would sound differently now, which sucks.

Yeah, personally I just separate the art from the artist. I wasn't kidding when I said I have over 1000 albums. If I started making moral judgements about the artists that reside in my collection I'd probably have 4 albums left.

Pfft. Guest has read more books than albums you own!!

kingstonlake wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Yeah, personally I just separate the art from the artist. I wasn't kidding when I said I have over 1000 albums. If I started making moral judgements about the artists that reside in my collection I'd probably have 4 albums left.

Pfft. Guest has read more books than albums you own!!

Who is guest?

We're simply fortunate to occupy our little place on Earth at the same time Guest does.. with his books, his albums and his infinite wisdom.

Each time our soul leaves our bodies.. and we float into the ether, we can only hope we come back as a resident of Mio. If it is decided that we have more perfection to pursue within the subcontext of mortality, it is our decision the degree to which we commit ourselves in the pursuit of Mio.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:We're simply fortunate to occupy our little place on Earth at the same time Guest does.. with his books, his albums and his infinite wisdom.

Each time our soul leaves our bodies.. and we float into the ether, we can only hope we come back as a resident of Mio. If it is decided that we have more perfection to pursue within the subcontext of mortality, it is our decision the degree to which we commit ourselves in the pursuit of Mio.

Oh yeah, that guest. nice guy hope all is well with him.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:We're simply fortunate to occupy our little place on Earth at the same time Guest does.. with his books, his albums and his infinite wisdom.

Each time our soul leaves our bodies.. and we float into the ether, we can only hope we come back as a resident of Mio. If it is decided that we have more perfection to pursue within the subcontext of mortality, it is our decision the degree to which we commit ourselves in the pursuit of Mio.

Not until they get a Meijer.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:We're simply fortunate to occupy our little place on Earth at the same time Guest does.. with his books, his albums and his infinite wisdom.

Each time our soul leaves our bodies.. and we float into the ether, we can only hope we come back as a resident of Mio. If it is decided that we have more perfection to pursue within the subcontext of mortality, it is our decision the degree to which we commit ourselves in the pursuit of Mio.

Oh yeah, that guest. nice guy hope all is well with him.

yep. I'm hoping he's somewhere enjoying his mainstream media outlets and not taking things quite so seriously.

We love you Goose!!

kingstonlake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:We're simply fortunate to occupy our little place on Earth at the same time Guest does.. with his books, his albums and his infinite wisdom.

Each time our soul leaves our bodies.. and we float into the ether, we can only hope we come back as a resident of Mio. If it is decided that we have more perfection to pursue within the subcontext of mortality, it is our decision the degree to which we commit ourselves in the pursuit of Mio.

Not until they get a Meijer.

yeah - if you don't have a Meijer.. we can't be friends.