Re: Izzo needs to retire

by **Rocinante** 2018-03-19, 10:47

Hey guys. Come on.... come onnnnnn. This is no where near as bad as Middle Tenn State.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2018-03-19, 10:48

LooseGoose wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Guys please name the players on our team who have the dribble drive/take it to the rim skillset.

Tum.

I actually saw a tweet from Doug Gottleib, who I think knows a lot more hoops than any of us, and he said he thought Izzo should have played Tum more precisely because of this.

I think that is probably just a case of Gottleib not being super familiar with Tum, and maybe having seen him a couple of times fly in on the break for a layup. Tum is not exactly a dribble penetrator as a PG. He goes backwards more often than he goes forward.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2018-03-19, 10:53

Oh and ok, back to the point. We don't have guys who were capable of doing anything constructive on dribble penetration against that 2-3 zone. So is that a lack of adjustment on the coaching staff's part? Or is it smart to plan to put your 4 in the high post, feed him and make him the facilitator to try to get open shots for your wings and PG who are all pretty good shooters?

If you want to attack Izzo's recruiting strategy that's another argument.

If you want to use a game against a team that runs a 2-3 zone that we play once a decade to say that Izzo's offense "sucks", you are really coming off as a twitter troll. I don't think any of us know basketball well enough to be able to break down the intricacies of the sets he runs, and what he changes from year to year.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2018-03-19, 10:53

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Update the offense is laughable steve. What does that even mean? Specifically, talk about the sets that MSU runs against conventional defenses, and how long we've been using them. I want you to call out at least 5 or 6 of them and provide references to past teams. Get off twitter dude, it's ruining your brain. Jesus you watch two tournament games in a row that we lose and miss wide open shots in and all of a sudden Beilein is Paul Westhead and Izzo is running 4 corners.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/offensive-efficiency

by Da Mayor 2018-03-19, 10:54

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Tum.

I actually saw a tweet from Doug Gottleib, who I think knows a lot more hoops than any of us, and he said he thought Izzo should have played Tum more precisely because of this.

I think that is probably just a case of Gottleib not being super familiar with Tum, and maybe having seen him a couple of times fly in on the break for a layup. Tum is not exactly a dribble penetrator as a PG. He goes backwards more often than he goes forward.

Tum probably never dribbled the ball below the free throw line in 4 years except on fast breaks.

by Guest 2018-03-19, 11:05

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Cassius can sneak in for layups from time to time but he wasn't doing it against guards who were 6'5 and athletic. And he would have had no chance among the tall trees. Bridges can't take the ball off the dribble, we know this.

You want to blame the staff for not recruiting guys who can drive the ball? I guess that's a fine opinion and fair. Maybe we shouldn't have recruited Bridges or Winston or Langford. I don't think Romeo Weems can do that either, maybe we should stop recruiting him.

I love Ca$h but he's got to tighten his handle this summer.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-19, 11:06

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Guys please name the players on our team who have the dribble drive/take it to the rim skillset. Go ahead. Against a 2-3 zone with 3 guys 6-11 or taller.

Coach them up? Ok. I'm going to sign up Coach Izzo to teach me to have a 45" vertical.

Cash? Bridges may not be great at it but he’s done it. Who recruits the players? Jackson could have tried more but our lottery pick was on the bench because ben fucking Carter. Pissed away another chance at a natty. Izzo is what he is.

Do you attack a zone with dribble drive or passing?

Asking for a friend.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2018-03-19, 11:10

Just saw this, by TBL's Kyle Koster (MSU grad). I thought entirely fair. Except for when he called Jackson a Center.

https://thebiglead.com/2018/03/19/tom-izzo-a-coaching-lion-has-been-leaving-march-like-a-lamb/

by **steveschneider** 2018-03-19, 11:30

LooseGoose wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Cassius can sneak in for layups from time to time but he wasn't doing it against guards who were 6'5 and athletic. And he would have had no chance among the tall trees. Bridges can't take the ball off the dribble, we know this.

You want to blame the staff for not recruiting guys who can drive the ball? I guess that's a fine opinion and fair. Maybe we shouldn't have recruited Bridges or Winston or Langford. I don't think Romeo Weems can do that either, maybe we should stop recruiting him.

I love Ca$h but he's got to tighten his handle this summer.

Cash is a good shooter if he could get defenders to play off him to stop him from driving it would add a lot to his game. I agree working on his handles and lateral speed on d would be huge for him.

by **kingstonlake** 2018-03-19, 13:45

steveschneider wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

I love Ca$h but he's got to tighten his handle this summer.

Cash is a good shooter if he could get defenders to play off him to stop him from driving it would add a lot to his game. I agree working on his handles and lateral speed on d would be huge for him.

He's a good shooter but hes painfully slow in getting his shot off. he'll never be able to break anybody down and pull up.

by **steveschneider** 2018-03-19, 14:39

You guys listening to Valenti? It’s brutal.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-19, 14:41

steveschneider wrote:You guys listening to Valenti? It’s brutal.

I don't listen to anyone who wears a baseball hat backwards.

by **steveschneider** 2018-03-19, 14:45

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:You guys listening to Valenti? It’s brutal.
I don't listen to anyone who wears a baseball hat backwards.

lol!!

by **DWags** 2018-03-19, 14:47

I won't listen to Sports radio for a couple of weeks. No way. I'm not saying we don't deserve some of what we'll get, but it's just not worth it. At this point, what good does it do?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-19, 14:51

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I don't listen to anyone who wears a baseball hat backwards.

lol!!

dude might be making decent points.. I wouldn't know because I don't lend any sort of intellectual credibility to Limp Bizkit.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-19, 14:54

DWags wrote:I won't listen to Sports radio for a couple of weeks. No way. I'm not saying we don't deserve some of what we'll get, but it's just not worth it. At this point, what good does it do?

I might tune into Jack and Tom later.. Jack tends to approach things from a logical, rational standpoint.. and he's been around long enough to know that this stuff isn't life and death. He always has good dialogue, guests and doesn't take a ton of calls, especially from frothing-at-the-mouth-rage callers.

by **steveschneider** 2018-03-19, 15:04

I’m kind of shocked he isn’t calling for Izzo to retire like the op. Maybe he believes Izzo gets to write his own exit but his call outs are harsh. I agree with his premise though that Izzo needs to hit the reset button and adapt.

by Da Mayor 2018-03-19, 16:20

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:
lol!!
dude might be making decent points.. I wouldn't know because I don't lend any sort of intellectual credibility to Limp Bizkit.

I love you, Bob.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2018-03-19, 16:24

DWags wrote:, what good does it do?

Dwags I think you should ask yourself this question at any given point ever not just today. Sports radio, all of it including the people who like us, is absolute trash.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-19, 16:58

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:You guys listening to Valenti? It’s brutal.
I don't listen to anyone who wears a baseball hat backwards.

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by Da Mayor 2018-03-19, 17:00

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:, what good does it do?
Dwags I think you should ask yourself this question at any given point ever not just today. Sports radio, all of it including the people who like us, is absolute trash.

This. I'm astounded anybody listens to any type of sports radio, MSU-friendly or not.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2018-03-19, 17:25

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:, what good does it do?
Dwags I think you should ask yourself this question at any given point ever not just today. Sports radio, all of it including the people who like us, is absolute trash.

Yep

by **Turtleneck** 2018-03-19, 19:12

Have we discussed if Izzo is antifa?

by **DWags** 2018-03-19, 20:11

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:, what good does it do?
Dwags I think you should ask yourself this question at any given point ever not just today. Sports radio, all of it including the people who like us, is absolute trash.

Good point. But I like when we’ve won a big game or beat Michigan to listen to the misery of those callers. This fall it was really enjoyable. It’s like that back street boys song you’ve sung under your breath Travis. You know you like it, but you won’t admit it in public.

But yeah, I’m a music news guy 85% 90% if the time.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2019-11-05, 09:51

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2019-11-05, 09:53

I sure hope Kentucky doesn't run a zone. Also, weird, wet blanket bump. If we lose tonight, Floyd gets the blame.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2019-11-05, 10:37

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I sure hope Kentucky doesn't run a zone. Also, weird, wet blanket bump. If we lose tonight, Floyd gets the blame.

Yeah, Floyd, don't bump threads that make OTPT look bad the morning of a largely meaningless game.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-11-05, 10:40

NigelUno wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I don't listen to anyone who wears a baseball hat backwards.

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how did I miss this?

by **steveschneider** 2019-11-05, 10:40

Aaron Henry is going to emerge as a super star. We have Winston, Tillman and Henry. I think we are all going to be very happy this year.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2019-11-05, 10:45

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I sure hope Kentucky doesn't run a zone. Also, weird, wet blanket bump. If we lose tonight, Floyd gets the blame.
Yeah, Floyd, don't bump threads that make OTPT look bad the morning of a largely meaningless game.

I flew across the country, bet $250 on the game, paid $300 for a ticket, and drunk posted on a message board after losing to 11 seed Syracuse as a National Title contender. If that makes me look bad, I don't wanna be right. Don't forget to update the Swill scoreboard, who's in charge of that? Miami or Nigel?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2019-11-05, 11:00

I was searching for another thread on retirement and found this. Thought it was funny that he we are #1 in the preseason poll and not long ago there was an advocacy for Izzo's retirement.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2019-11-05, 11:33

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
Yeah, Floyd, don't bump threads that make OTPT look bad the morning of a largely meaningless game.

I flew across the country, bet $250 on the game, paid $300 for a ticket, and drunk posted on a message board after losing to 11 seed Syracuse as a National Title contender. If that makes me look bad, I don't wanna be right. Don't forget to update the Swill scoreboard, who's in charge of that? Miami or Nigel?

Just poking a little fun. Lighten up, bro. We play Kentucky today! Yey, meaningless November game!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-11-05, 11:37

oh and, by the way, RIP to Strangelove.. I see that he's initiated this thread.

(sidenote... wtf was he thinking?) Wink

RIP, brah.

by **duffy munn** 2019-11-05, 11:38

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2019-11-05, 11:39

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I flew across the country, bet $250 on the game, paid $300 for a ticket, and drunk posted on a message board after losing to 11 seed Syracuse as a National Title contender. If that makes me look bad, I don't wanna be right. Don't forget to update the Swill scoreboard, who's in charge of that? Miami or Nigel?
Just poking a little fun. Lighten up, bro. We play Kentucky today! Yey, meaningless November game!

Doing the same bro. I don’t know about meaningless, I think it’d be cool to stay #1 for awhile and it’d be a solid non conference win down the road. Either way, long season.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2019-11-05, 11:40

Robert J Sakimano wrote:oh and, by the way, RIP to Strangelove.. I see that he's initiated this thread.

(sidenote... wtf was he thinking?)

RIP, brah.

We should all bet the house on MSU tonight in his honor.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2019-11-05, 12:06

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
Just poking a little fun. Lighten up, bro. We play Kentucky today! Yey, meaningless November game!

Doing the same bro. I don’t know about meaningless, I think it’d be cool to stay #1 for awhile and it’d be a solid non conference win down the road. Either way, long season.

It's nice to be at the top of the rankings, and it's more enjoyable to watch the team win than lose, but that's about it for me. But for the season, a win or loss doesn't really tell us much.

by **DWags** 2019-11-05, 13:27

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
Yeah, Floyd, don't bump threads that make OTPT look bad the morning of a largely meaningless game.

I flew across the country, bet $250 on the game, paid $300 for a ticket, and drunk posted on a message board after losing to 11 seed Syracuse as a National Title contender. If that makes me look bad, I don't wanna be right. Don't forget to update the Swill scoreboard, who's in charge of that? Miami or Nigel?

If all of peoples posts were just numbers without names attached and you read them, do you ever think you kind of are much like the posts and posters you complain about? Just asking. We all can use a step back and look at ourselves. I should be first in line for that.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2019-11-05, 13:45

DWags wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I flew across the country, bet $250 on the game, paid $300 for a ticket, and drunk posted on a message board after losing to 11 seed Syracuse as a National Title contender. If that makes me look bad, I don't wanna be right. Don't forget to update the Swill scoreboard, who's in charge of that? Miami or Nigel?

If all of peoples posts were just numbers without names attached and you read them, do you ever think you kind of are much like the posts and posters you complain about? Just asking. We all can use a step back and look at ourselves. I should be first in line for that.

Which part of my post would I complain about?

by **DWags** 2019-11-05, 13:46

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
DWags wrote:

If all of peoples posts were just numbers without names attached and you read them, do you ever think you kind of are much like the posts and posters you complain about? Just asking. We all can use a step back and look at ourselves. I should be first in line for that.

Which part of my post would I complain about?

Ok. Forget it. I’m good.

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