Re: tOfficial Astronomy Thread

[Floyd Robertson]

I remember when I was a virgin and launching my first satellite. I think countdown was t-minus three seconds.

Sounds like it went sputnik.

[tGreenWay]

Not ready to place this in the celebrity deaths thread yet, because smart people might find a fix, but the Hubble Space Telescope might actually be


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/30/opinions/hubble-telescope-glitch-opinion-lincoln/index.html

[MiamiSpartan]

Well, it has been going for triple it's expected lifespan of 10 years, so it might be time.

I think the Webb telescope is supposed to be the next great space-based telescope and blow away what the Hubble can do (or is it a different one I'm thinking of?), but that's behind schedule and over budget.

[gomersbro]

Branson is going up on July 11th to beat besos up there (20th).

[Floyd Robertson]

Branson is going up on July 11th to beat besos up there (20th).

My billionaire ego is bigger than your billionaire ego!

[DWags]

Branson is going up on July 11th to beat besos up there (20th).

My billionaire ego is bigger than your billionaire ego!

Nothing like a race to be shot up on a bomb that could explode and kill you. I’m good right here on terra firma

[AvgMSUJoe]

When you essentially own the current planet, you gotta leave for any fun...

BTW & FWIW, Fuck these narcissistic fuckers and fuck the media for hero worshipping them. Cock sucker bezos is being blown into space because we have shitty and unsafe roads he doesn't pay for (that he directly profits from and ruins)... If his portion of unpaid taxes got sunk into schools we probably wouldn't have half this dumb fucking country "not believing" in vaccines. Sigh... but I digress.

[Floyd Robertson]

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[tGreenWay]

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Watching the Perseids was easily one of my favorite activities at Walloon every summer in my teens. We’d count between 80-120 during peak hours.

Have you seen the orange moon this week? Those wildfires are creating tremendous photo ops for shutterbugs.

[Floyd Robertson]

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Watching the Perseids was easily one of my favorite activities at Walloon every summer in my teens. We’d count between 80-120 during peak hours.

Have you seen the orange moon this week? Those wildfires are creating tremendous photo ops for shutterbugs.

I haven't seen the orange moon, but the orange sun yesterday morning in a blanket of gray haze was really beautiful.

[Jake from State Farm]

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Watching the Perseids was easily one of my favorite activities at Walloon every summer in my teens. We’d count between 80-120 during peak hours.

Have you seen the orange moon this week? Those wildfires are creating tremendous photo ops for shutterbugs.

Yeah, I saw the orange moon, it looked pretty cool. Also saw the haze driving around yesterday and it wasn't purple this time.

[tGreenWay]

Watching the Perseids was easily one of my favorite activities at Walloon every summer in my teens. We’d count between 80-120 during peak hours.

Have you seen the orange moon this week? Those wildfires are creating tremendous photo ops for shutterbugs.

Yeah, I saw the orange moon, it looked pretty cool. Also saw the haze driving around yesterday and it wasn't purple this time.

Haven’t seen any haze and won’t mind missing it. There have been a couple of times in the past where the haze affected my breathing just enough to notice. Yay, asthma!

[The Pantry]

Astronomers see back of a black hole for first time, proving Albert Einstein was right

[MiamiSpartan]

Astronomers see back of a black hole for first time, proving Albert Einstein was right

As Dr Blinn, my cosmology prof at MSU would say, leave proof to mathematicians.  It stuck with me enough that it becomes a pet peeve of mine when reporters (and even scientists) say that something like this is proven.  It isn't proven, it is just evidence that supports a theory.

Not directed at you, pantry, just ranting about a little pet peeve.

[The Pantry]

Astronomers see back of a black hole for first time, proving Albert Einstein was right

As Dr Blinn, my cosmology prof at MSU would say, leave proof to mathematicians.  It stuck with me enough that it becomes a pet peeve of mine when reporters (and even scientists) say that something like this is proven.  It isn't proven, it is just evidence that supports a theory.

Not directed at you, pantry, just ranting about a little pet peeve.

Agree with your analysis of the article. New age journalists are mostly idiots throwing their meaningless take into places it doesn't belong.

[DWags]

Einstein was smart

[MiamiSpartan]

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[Other Teams Pursuing That]

so fucking cool and insane thanks for sharing miami

[DWags]

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Impossible for us to be the only living beings in this universe

[Floyd Robertson]

Impossible for us to be the only living beings in this universe

[Jake from State Farm]

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Impossible for us to be the only living beings in this universe

and that it was created in six days

[AvgMSUJoe]

and that it was created in six days

Actually 3 minutes...

https://www.amazon.com/First-Three-Minutes-Modern-Universe/dp/0465024378/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3f6HBhDHARIsAD_i3D-8BusCNpmklZ_7vnHwyZ0VMA-zaRuoRUkNot-Td9bP04P53iLYLDMaAoS3EALw_wcB&hvadid=410000588605&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=1021873&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=1731358292105110109&hvtargid=kwd-300370109431&hydadcr=3233_11370410&keywords=the+first+three+minutes+weinberg&qid=1627404607&sr=8-3

[MiamiSpartan]

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Lots of amazing images in the article, too.

[Nordic]

I see Jupiter

[tGreenWay]

Impossible for us to be the only living beings in this universe

and that it was created in six days

Mom? Is that you?

[Floyd Robertson]

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[MSU addict]

Impossible for us to be the only living beings in this universe

and that it was created in six days

I am not trying to be a dick, but this type of comment always strikes me as odd.

I am not a creationist but is it really less believable than the current scientific belief that everything in our known universe came from an infinitely small point (smaller than a single atom) prior to the big bang?

[DWags]

and that it was created in six days

I am not trying to be a dick, but this type of comment always strikes me as odd.

I am not a creationist but is it really less believable than the current scientific belief that everything in our known universe came from an infinitely small point (smaller than a single atom) prior to the big bang?

Both really take a leap of faith don’t they?

[MiamiSpartan]

and that it was created in six days

I am not trying to be a dick, but this type of comment always strikes me as odd.

I am not a creationist but is it really less believable than the current scientific belief that everything in our known universe came from an infinitely small point (smaller than a single atom) prior to the big bang?

Well, the evidence and the math points to that (the latter). But here's the thing. How many people have seen the evidence for themselves or done the math themselves (or would even be able to understand the math if they saw the calculations laid out)? So we take that on FAITH, based on what we are told by a very tiny number of people that understand a language that very few people understand (very high level math). I say all this as someone who is pro-science. I chuckle when people talk about science vs faith. Science IS faith, when it comes to the big picture of the universe.

[Floyd Robertson]

I watched this a couple days ago and this is the best explanation I've seen on the Big Bang, and even this takes a universal-sized leap of faith.

NOVA Universe Revealed: Big Bang

[Cameron]

[tGreenWay]

Russia tested an anti-satellite missile on one of its own long dead satellites, created a shit ton of trackable space debris. One of the pieces caused the crew of the ISS to scramble to their escape pods in case the station was rendered unsafe. The US is pissed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-59299101.amp




As space junk continues to pile up, it’s becoming increasingly plausible to believe someone is going to build a spacecraft designed to collect that junk. One day soon, we may see Fred Sanford in space.

[Floyd Robertson]

I've never heard of the Beaver Moon before, but suddenly I'm very excited.

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[DWags]

There’s some dad joke in there about beavers and moons.

[AvgMSUJoe]

There’s some dad joke in there about beavers and moons.

something something something OMAR'S... hahahahahaha...

almost writes itself.

[Frank Ricard]

I watched this a couple days ago and this is the best explanation I've seen on the Big Bang, and even this takes a universal-sized leap of faith.

NOVA Universe Revealed: Big Bang

Define faith.

It is not a universal-sized leap of faith to understand what we call the big bang.  We see actual pictures of it just 300,000 years after it happened.  We can describe the math of what happened down to 10 to the -34th of a second after it happened.  In other words, it might take faith that the math is right in the same way it is a leap of faith to sit down in a chair.  Yes, the chair might collapse or be pulled out away from us, but the EVIDENCE is that we will sit in the chair unharmed.  

Religion is faith without evidence - trying to explain what we don't know by filling in something that we don't have evidence for and saying it explains everything.  That's bullshit.

Science takes faith in the sense that we have to accept that we as individuals can't know everything, so we have faith that science has the evidence to back it's claim.  When the evidence isn't there (as in what happened to cause the big bang, or what happened before the big bang, if there is such a thing), the overwhelming vast majority of real scientists admit they don't know....yet.

Knowing that you don't know is the first sign you're dealing with people that require actual evidence to support their claims.  I have faith in that.

[Floyd Robertson]

I watched this a couple days ago and this is the best explanation I've seen on the Big Bang, and even this takes a universal-sized leap of faith.

NOVA Universe Revealed: Big Bang

Define faith.

It is not a universal-sized leap of faith to understand what we call the big bang.  We see actual pictures of it just 300,000 years after it happened.  We can describe the math of what happened down to 10 to the -34th of a second after it happened.  In other words, it might take faith that the math is right in the same way it is a leap of faith to sit down in a chair.  Yes, the chair might collapse or be pulled out away from us, but the EVIDENCE is that we will sit in the chair unharmed.  

Religion is faith without evidence - trying to explain what we don't know by filling in something that we don't have evidence for and saying it explains everything.  That's bullshit.

Science takes faith in the sense that we have to accept that we as individuals can't know everything, so we have faith that science has the evidence to back it's claim.  When the evidence isn't there (as in what happened to cause the big bang, or what happened before the big bang, if there is such a thing), the overwhelming vast majority of real scientists admit they don't know....yet.

Knowing that you don't know is the first sign you're dealing with people that require actual evidence to support their claims.  I have faith in that.

Yeah, that pretty much is my leap of faith. I'm never going to understand the science behind "0 to the -34th of a second" so my faith is that the scientists are on the right track.

Still, that something was created where nothing existed before, and is still expanding (into what?) is so mind-bottling that I don't see how anyone can wrap their head out it.

[TrapperGus]

Between what we can see in the sky, about 14 Billion years of the universes history, and the incredible predictive results from quantum theory, which is highly mathematical and has predicted how "things work" that experiments have shown to be very accurate, we have a set of science theories and observations which support the big bang hugely.

It is the best theory we have, however, like any theory maybe tomorrow someone will find a major flaw and it will all fall apart.

Dark energy & dark matter are huge results which are troubling. Even more so as they seem to make up over 90% of the universe.

Our methods of observation almost all rely on the interactions of charged particles. Dark energy & dark matter don't interact with charged particles. We only know they exist because of what we know about gravity. Gravity, for all that it dominates the universe, is the least known of the four basic forces.

[TrapperGus]

Regarding the reality in religion.

It is real because people believe it is real, at a minimum.

As for if what it describes are correct, meaning some sort of God or Gods, who/whom are actively engaged in our reality, the evidence is all hearsay and eyewitness & not repeatable, two of the least reliable forms of evidence.

However, people acting as though there is/are a/ God/Gods causes this/these God/Gods to have an huge influence upon our lives regardless of if they exist corporally or not, and thus, effectively, God/Gods does/do exist in our lives.

[Frank Ricard]

Define faith.

It is not a universal-sized leap of faith to understand what we call the big bang.  We see actual pictures of it just 300,000 years after it happened.  We can describe the math of what happened down to 10 to the -34th of a second after it happened.  In other words, it might take faith that the math is right in the same way it is a leap of faith to sit down in a chair.  Yes, the chair might collapse or be pulled out away from us, but the EVIDENCE is that we will sit in the chair unharmed.  

Religion is faith without evidence - trying to explain what we don't know by filling in something that we don't have evidence for and saying it explains everything.  That's bullshit.

Science takes faith in the sense that we have to accept that we as individuals can't know everything, so we have faith that science has the evidence to back it's claim.  When the evidence isn't there (as in what happened to cause the big bang, or what happened before the big bang, if there is such a thing), the overwhelming vast majority of real scientists admit they don't know....yet.

Knowing that you don't know is the first sign you're dealing with people that require actual evidence to support their claims.  I have faith in that.

Yeah, that pretty much is my leap of faith. I'm never going to understand the science behind "0 to the -34th of a second" so my faith is that the scientists are on the right track.

Still, that something was created where nothing existed before, and is still expanding (into what?) is so mind-bottling that I don't see how anyone can wrap their head out it.

Here's the catch. The Universe most likely didn't come from nothing because nothing doesn't exist (see Heinsenberg Uncertainty Principle). Turns out nothing is a very unstable state. Also, Lawrence Krauss also wrote a book called "A Universe from Nothing". He also did talks on this you can find on youtube. He dumbs it down enough for idiots like me to at least understand the basic concepts.

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