Coach D presser at 5:45 today

Not the numbers.

tGreenWay wrote:Not the numbers.

Or the philosophy?

Mark Dantonio 'won't apologize' for restructuring Michigan State staff

Dantonio said Salem turned down offers to become a coordinator at three different Power 5 programs over the past three seasons. That two-way loyalty is something Dantonio mentioned about his assistants the final two months of the season, when it became clear the offense needed overhauled.
At Augustana, Salem ran more of a “one-back multiple” spread-style offense with the Vikings that predominantly ran out of the shotgun set.
“I think that he's got a very innovative, creative mind,” Dantonio said of Salem. 

duffy munn wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Bring in Wayne Fontes and have him teach Dantonio the run and shoot offense.

Gonna need Mouse Davis for this as well. Wayne and Mouse as co-oc's. Provided either one of them is still alive.

I’m laughing. I just remember on super tecmo bowl when I picked the Lions And saw all those receiver routes on those passing plays for the first time it was mind blowing. When I saw that playbook I was like if this is the run and shoot offense then sign me up!

Just waking up to see people on twitter calling for Dantonio to be fired...never thought I’d see the day but here we are.

steveschneider wrote:Just waking up to see people on twitter calling for Dantonio to be fired...never thought I’d see the day but here we are.

This country is full of stupid people.

And a round up of our blue-like idiots.
Mark Dantonio's offensive 'changes' chided by Michigan State fans

FWIW it really seems like this is a case of I guess what you would call a vocal minority. Comp has a poll up - approve, disapprove or undecided. It's currently 55/30/15 with over 400 votes.

Looking at the headline of that story reminds me of how much editorializing has seeped into all aspects of our news. Having changes in quotes seems to imply there were no changes made when the reality is that if you look at how many people switched positions it was a pretty thorough shake-up.

It shouldn't be the headline or news writers job to decide whether the changes were extensive enough or not. Their supposed job is to provide us with the facts and let us draw our own conclusions.

Meh... well see.

Funny thing. The ven diagram of "FIRE EVERYBODY" twits on twitter, with #MAGA posts in their timeline correlates.

This might be whats wrong in the world. Everyone got to ignore idiots easier prior to the internets.

LooseGoose wrote:Looking at the headline of that story reminds me of how much editorializing has seeped into all aspects of our news. Having changes in quotes seems to imply there were no changes made when the reality is that if you look at how many people switched positions it was a pretty thorough shake-up.

It shouldn't be the headline or news writers job to decide whether the changes were extensive enough or not. Their supposed job is to provide us with the facts and let us draw our own conclusions.

I FIRMLY believe there should be ZERO stories based on any response on TWITTER... EVER. It would be like a story about a thread here. Just STUPID.

On ABC or one of them there was a recurring story about "ellen backlash" for supporting that short comedian to do the oscars. I really don't give a shit about any of that, but the point that they replayed a story solely based on random chucklehead's twits REALLY pissed me off. With a just the smallest amount of ingenuity they could have gotten quotes from actual leaders on subjects or official positions of groups representing people... but NO. Twitter randos.

Strongly agree with you there Avg Joe.

LooseGoose wrote:Looking at the headline of that story reminds me of how much editorializing has seeped into all aspects of our news. Having changes in quotes seems to imply there were no changes made when the reality is that if you look at how many people switched positions it was a pretty thorough shake-up.

It shouldn't be the headline or news writers job to decide whether the changes were extensive enough or not. Their supposed job is to provide us with the facts and let us draw our own conclusions.

Oh, the irony. You mean people shouldn’t make assumptions based on headlines?

You can’t make this shit up.

The fact that Twitter and RCMB fans are outraged, makes me embrace the move more and more.

I'm especially encouraged by the Michigan fans pissing on the move and flapping about hiring Gattis. Gattis might be the next great play caller, but he is just as big of an unknown as Salem. He"s never called plays and you can bet Harbaugh will mold the O into his form, just like Dantonio will. Especially with a newb. Maybe he did wonders with Vandy, PSU and Bama WRs. Bama's WR core was top 3 in the country before he took over and top 3 when he left.  He's supposedly a whiz recruiter, I bet that was Harbaugh's main attraction. Cool, you've had those before.

Also if he was truely the next great thing, why didn't Saban hire him as the full-time OC? He's had a month to do so. But he's from Bama and M fans like shiney things, so they win the offseason.  There hire is underwhelming and has just as many question marks as ours.

If Jeem (or Fred Flinstone, or DickRod) pulled this kind of move at SCum after a 7-6 season, we'd all be laughing at them. Put me in the "disappointed" column.

A. Fire Coach D
B. Disappointed
C. Meh
D. I approve.
E. Love it! Natty's on the horizon!

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Looking at the headline of that story reminds me of how much editorializing has seeped into all aspects of our news. Having changes in quotes seems to imply there were no changes made when the reality is that if you look at how many people switched positions it was a pretty thorough shake-up.

It shouldn't be the headline or news writers job to decide whether the changes were extensive enough or not. Their supposed job is to provide us with the facts and let us draw our own conclusions.

I FIRMLY believe there should be ZERO stories based on any response on TWITTER... EVER. It would be like a story about a thread here. Just STUPID.

On ABC or one of them there was a recurring story about "ellen backlash" for supporting that short comedian to do the oscars. I really don't give a shit about any of that, but the point that they replayed a story solely based on random chucklehead's twits REALLY pissed me off. With a just the smallest amount of ingenuity they could have gotten quotes from actual leaders on subjects or official positions of groups representing people... but NO. Twitter randos.

It’s the chamber of outrage and bullshit that dominates the news- and works. Most people really do not give a fuck but it what’s you hear about. Millennials want to kill mayo, hopcat is PC and changing the name of French fries, some random public high school did something, and the list goes on and on.

With all this being said, it’s evident that we as a society have a long way to become aware enough (if ever) to realize that the media is profiting off individuals going at each other because of the manufactured “issues”. I mean, look at this board or the bin - there are people falling for this shit over and over again that you’d think would be too smart to do so.

Heat Miser wrote:If Jeem (or Fred Flinstone, or DickRod) pulled this kind of move at SCum after a 7-6 season, we'd all be laughing at them. Put me in the "disappointed" column.

A. Fire Coach D
B. Disappointed
C. Meh
D. I approve.
E. Love it! Natty's on the horizon!

Probably, but fans are kinda dumb... actually most are really dumb.

Is what Michigan did really an upgrade from what we did?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Looking at the headline of that story reminds me of how much editorializing has seeped into all aspects of our news. Having changes in quotes seems to imply there were no changes made when the reality is that if you look at how many people switched positions it was a pretty thorough shake-up.

It shouldn't be the headline or news writers job to decide whether the changes were extensive enough or not. Their supposed job is to provide us with the facts and let us draw our own conclusions.

Oh, the irony. You mean people shouldn’t make assumptions based on headlines?

You can’t make this shit up.

You remind me of the old saying about people peaking in intelligence in their early 20s. Then as they get older they realize just how ignorant they were. Enjoy yourself.

Nordic wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:If Jeem (or Fred Flinstone, or DickRod) pulled this kind of move at SCum after a 7-6 season, we'd all be laughing at them. Put me in the "disappointed" column.

A. Fire Coach D
B. Disappointed
C. Meh
D. I approve.
E. Love it! Natty's on the horizon!

Probably, but fans are kinda dumb... actually most are really dumb.

Is what Michigan did really an upgrade from what we did?

According to the headlines on Freep.com, definitely.

Heat Miser wrote:If Jeem (or Fred Flinstone, or DickRod) pulled this kind of move at SCum after a 7-6 season, we'd all be laughing at them. Put me in the "disappointed" column.

A. Fire Coach D
B. Disappointed
C. Meh
D. I approve.
E. Love it! Natty's on the horizon!

i can see why, but I thought Coach was pretty transparent last night.

For this job to be worthwhile to him he can't hand over the keys on offense. I get it and it is a big part of this conundrum.

To hire someone new he doesn't feel like it would be successful. That tells me he explored the option and he doesn't believe it is the best fix. He could have gone that route and shit could be just as bad as it is now. He might not have the skill set to make those kind of moves. As Graham Couch put it, it is revealing that Coach D just doesn't have a rolodex with other options and he doesn't have those types of connections to make that kind of move.

And last and I keep coming back to this, without the right coach at MSU we've all seen the program free fall and become Rutgers/Illini/Minnesota. We drive out coach d the new coach is at best going to get us right where we are at now (if we are lucky) and there's more downside to that type of move than up side. We are MSU which means 8-9 win season average is pretty damn good.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Probably, but fans are kinda dumb... actually most are really dumb.

Is what Michigan did really an upgrade from what we did?

According to the headlines on Freep.com, definitely.

I can see why it's 'good' for them. They excel at being offseason champs and being off season champs keeps the fan base happy. It also feeds the UofM hype machine. Will it matter on the football field? Possibly but most likely it will just mean more of the same for UofM.

Is it really that difficult to grasp that hiring a coach from the best program in the country is going to be viewed in a more positive light than swapping coaches around after a 7-6 season? Pass the liquor, or the green koolaid that’s spiked, shit.

Yeah steve, was thinking about that, too. The gloom and doom portion of our fanbase is so entitled and unrealistic. We've had some success - really good success - National success. But that does not mean we are a big boy program or will ever be one. We have numerous built in disadvantages from economics to geographical to institutional/educational etc. No need to list them all out, most people know what they are. Dantonio has found a way to minimize all of those disadvantages and compete. What are the odds that the next guy can do that as well as he has? Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt in terms of deciding what's best for the football program? I certainly think he has a more in depth knowledge of the proper roadmap than the blowhard fans and media.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Yeah steve, was thinking about that, too. The gloom and doom portion of our fanbase is so entitled and unrealistic. We've had some success - really good success - National success. But that does not mean we are a big boy program or will ever be one. We have numerous built in disadvantages from economics to geographical to institutional/educational etc. No need to list them all out, most people know what they are. Dantonio has found a way to minimize all of those disadvantages and compete. What are the odds that the next guy can do that as well as he has? Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt in terms of deciding what's best for the football program? I certainly think he has a more in depth knowledge of the proper roadmap than the blowhard fans and media.

Kind of reminds me of Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He lifted that program up from the depths of the B10 and got them into the tournament annually. That's pretty damn good if you are Minnesota. Well towards the end they were saying they expected championships and someone that could 'coach' past the first round and they also brought in PItino as a better recruiter who might land the player that ended up going to Duke or Kentucky (I forget which). Give me a fucking break people you are Minnesota Gophers. Also, I bet if Pitino ever gets that program rolling at a high level he leaves for a better gig.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Yeah steve, was thinking about that, too. The gloom and doom portion of our fanbase is so entitled and unrealistic. We've had some success - really good success - National success. But that does not mean we are a big boy program or will ever be one. We have numerous built in disadvantages from economics to geographical to institutional/educational etc. No need to list them all out, most people know what they are. Dantonio has found a way to minimize all of those disadvantages and compete. What are the odds that the next guy can do that as well as he has? Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt in terms of deciding what's best for the football program? I certainly think he has a more in depth knowledge of the proper roadmap than the blowhard fans and media.

This one's huge. You can make the argument it's the biggest. Someone mentioned it earlier. Dantonio has a $500k Rolodex for assistants, Not a $1.2 million dollar Rolodex. MSU can't afford a $1.2 million dollar mistake. Bang for buck he's far ahead of anything that hype machine down the road is doing. It's just really hard to get over what this year could have been with a team that put 24pts on the board in their losses. Win @ ASU, win @ NB, win vs SCum, and maybe flips the OSU game

steveschneider wrote:
Kind of reminds me of Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He lifted that program up from the depths of the B10 and got them into the tournament annually. That's pretty damn good if you are Minnesota. Well towards the end they were saying they expected championships and someone that could 'coach' past the first round and they also brought in PItino as a better recruiter who might land the player that ended up going to Duke or Kentucky (I forget which). Give me a fucking break people you are Minnesota Gophers. Also, I bet if Pitino ever gets that program rolling at a high level he leaves for a better gig.

I think this is a millennial TWIT thing too. Idiot dbags never knew MSU as mediocre. Idiot puppy dBags don't KNOW MSU would be Minnesota if Dantonio left.
Proof... Fucking Saban could barely compete here... why the hell ANYONE thinks MSU is better off without any decision Dantonio makes is ludicrous. In fact, I may start a flame thread on tRCMB stating such....(probably wont hang around to see the carnage.)

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

steveschneider wrote:
Kind of reminds me of Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He lifted that program up from the depths of the B10 and got them into the tournament annually. That's pretty damn good if you are Minnesota. Well towards the end they were saying they expected championships and someone that could 'coach' past the first round and they also brought in PItino as a better recruiter who might land the player that ended up going to Duke or Kentucky (I forget which). Give me a fucking break people you are Minnesota Gophers. Also, I bet if Pitino ever gets that program rolling at a high level he leaves for a better gig.

I think this is a millennial TWIT thing too. Idiot dbags never knew MSU as mediocre. Idiot puppy dBags don't KNOW MSU would be Minnesota if Dantonio left.
Proof... Fucking Saban could barely compete here... why the hell ANYONE thinks MSU is better off without any decision Dantonio makes is ludicrous.  In fact, I may start a flame thread on tRCMB stating such....(probably wont hang around to see the carnage.)

Yeah, also everyone thought change was necessary to take the program to the next level after Bobby Williams. I remember when JLS rolled into town with his quote about how his big plan was to put more points up on the board than the other team. At the time I was like wow this guy gets it. Before the Dantonio hire I forget who said it, I think it may have been Drew Sharp but he talked about the old days teams feared going to Spartan Stadium because the teams would pound the hell out of you. He argued MSU needed to embrace that identity and get back to it. Also, let's not forget the old 'Same Old Spartan' nightmare games against UofM and ND.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Is it really that difficult to grasp that hiring a coach from the best program in the country is going to be viewed in a more positive light than swapping coaches around after a 7-6 season? Pass the liquor, or the green koolaid that’s spiked, shit.

Well, let's see, the last time they hired an offensive coordinator from that same best program in the country, what happened? The dude was last seen celebrating like he'd won a Natty because his UM offense had scored a touchdown against MSU...late in the game of an MSU blowout, after not having scored a TD against us at all for the previous couple of years.

And then there was the time that they hired the HEAD coach of a Top 3 team, and he promptly took UM to unthinkable lows in glorious fashion.

So it is difficult to think that logical people with any concept of the past would not be so quick to jump on the hype train. But then we aren't dealing with logical people with any concept of the past when it comes to UM fans and the Detroit media.

kingstonlake wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Yeah steve, was thinking about that, too. The gloom and doom portion of our fanbase is so entitled and unrealistic. We've had some success - really good success - National success. But that does not mean we are a big boy program or will ever be one. We have numerous built in disadvantages from economics to geographical to institutional/educational etc. No need to list them all out, most people know what they are. Dantonio has found a way to minimize all of those disadvantages and compete. What are the odds that the next guy can do that as well as he has? Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt in terms of deciding what's best for the football program? I certainly think he has a more in depth knowledge of the proper roadmap than the blowhard fans and media.

This one's huge. You can make the argument it's the biggest. Someone mentioned it earlier. Dantonio has a $500k Rolodex for assistants, Not a $1.2 million dollar Rolodex. MSU can't afford a $1.2 million dollar mistake. Bang for buck he's far ahead of anything that hype machine down the road is doing. It's just really hard to get over what this year could have been with a team that put 24pts on the board in their losses. Win @ ASU, win @ NB, win vs SCum, and maybe flips the OSU game

It's kind of depressing that we had a $900 thousand bag of cash to keep Narduzzi (number I remember, maybe it was more) but we don't have or are unwilling to spend that cash to hire an offensive guru.

steveschneider wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Yeah steve, was thinking about that, too. The gloom and doom portion of our fanbase is so entitled and unrealistic. We've had some success - really good success - National success. But that does not mean we are a big boy program or will ever be one. We have numerous built in disadvantages from economics to geographical to institutional/educational etc. No need to list them all out, most people know what they are. Dantonio has found a way to minimize all of those disadvantages and compete. What are the odds that the next guy can do that as well as he has? Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt in terms of deciding what's best for the football program? I certainly think he has a more in depth knowledge of the proper roadmap than the blowhard fans and media.

Kind of reminds me of Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He lifted that program up from the depths of the B10 and got them into the tournament annually. That's pretty damn good if you are Minnesota. Well towards the end they were saying they expected championships and someone that could 'coach' past the first round and they also brought in PItino as a better recruiter who might land the player that ended up going to Duke or Kentucky (I forget which). Give me a fucking break people you are Minnesota Gophers. Also, I bet if Pitino ever gets that program rolling at a high level he leaves for a better gig.

And for that matter, like Minnesota did with Glen Mason in football. And what Nebraska football did with Frank Solich...then again with Bo Pelini. And, as has been mentioned, Michigan with Lloyd.

ary to take the program to the next level after Bobby Williams. I remember when JLS rolled into town with his quote about how his big plan was to put more points up on the board than the other team. At the time I was like wow this guy gets it. Before the Dantonio hire I forget who said it, I think it may have been Drew Sharp but he talked about the old days teams feared going to Spartan Stadium because the teams would pound the hell out of you. He argued MSU needed to embrace that identity and get back to it. Also, let's not forget the old 'Same Old Spartan' nightmare games against UofM and ND

Gives them ANOTHER summer of September front runner status.

Related. Somewhat.

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Wow. Now that is interesting.

I just can't believe that people are jumping on the "some teams celebrate 7-6" quote, including some of you on this board last night. Who reads half a quote, with no context, let alone the rest of the quote, and starts bashing a guy over it? Idiots, that's who.

Floyd Robertson wrote:Related. Somewhat.

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The Miami fans are probably happy they got someone with an Alabama pedigree - MSU fans would have revolted had CoachD hire him. Perceptions.

Funny though, after losing the championship game looks like Alabama is cleaning house. They operate on a completely different level. Whatever seeing their side line during that championship game it's crazy how many coaches those programs have. They have coordinators, co-cordinators and co-co-coordinators and so on.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Wow. Now that is interesting.

VS

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Is it really that difficult to grasp that hiring a coach from the best program in the country is going to be viewed in a more positive light than swapping coaches around after a 7-6 season? Pass the liquor, or the Big Blue koolaid that’s spiked, shit.

Nope and FIFY. Slurp it up Wolvies. Happens every year and it is awesome.

LooseGoose wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:Related. Somewhat.

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The Miami fans are probably happy they got someone with an Alabama pedigree - MSU fans would have revolted had CoachD hire him. Perceptions.

I think MSU fans would of embraced it. But there is obviously something there between Enos and Dantonio. Whatever, he's been a vagabond coach and Miami is a mess. GL.

Is Mike Tressel gonna be Dantonio's successor when the time comes? I would be okay with that, he's done well with the D.