Sixth Grader Arrested For Refusing to Say the "Pledge of Allegiance"...

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 08:16

good for this kid.

of course, they accuse the 11 year old of "making a disturbance"... Rolling Eyes

A Florida school district said that a student who refused to take part in the Pledge of Allegiance was arrested for becoming disruptive, not for refusing to say the pledge.

On February 4, the student at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland refused to take part in the Pledge of Allegiance, according to the Polk County School District and Lakeland police.

A substitute teacher in charge of the class was unaware the district student code of conduct doesn't mandate students' participation, the district said.

The substitute teacher said in written statement that when she asked the student, who is black, to say the pledge, he "answered that he won't because the flag of the country is racist. He then started to explain why the national anthem was offensive to black people."

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 08:20

at least the school district got rid of the substitute teacher.

The substitute teacher who was involved in the incident was asked to leave the campus immediately, after giving a written statement, the district said. She will no longer be allowed to work district schools, according to the district.

good on them for that.

by **DWags** 2019-02-19, 08:27

Robert J Sakimano wrote:at least the school district got rid of the substitute teacher.

The substitute teacher who was involved in the incident was asked to leave the campus immediately, after giving a written statement, the district said. She will no longer be allowed to work district schools, according to the district.

good on them for that.

Over under when she appears on fox and friends wearing an American flag pin. 2 days.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 08:29

DWags wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:at least the school district got rid of the substitute teacher.

good on them for that.

Over under when she appears on fox and friends wearing an American flag pin. 2 days.

Yep.

America is a stupid country.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-02-19, 08:52

Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

by **DWags** 2019-02-19, 08:58

kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

Just like your parents indoctrinated you. From you standing to say the pledge at school, to you standing to sing the anthem, or at least pretend to sing it at games. You still stand for the anthem. When I took my kid to games, they stood because we made them stand when they were 5 and 6 years old. We were indoctrinating them to be "good americans" and believe in what the anthem is about. We told them to do so, and frankly they were doing it without thinking and blindly doing it. So, I guess I asking what's the difference?

by **kingstonlake** 2019-02-19, 09:16

DWags wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

Just like your parents indoctrinated you. From you standing to say the pledge at school, to you standing to sing the anthem, or at least pretend to sing it at games. You still stand for the anthem. When I took my kid to games, they stood because we made them stand when they were 5 and 6 years old. We were indoctrinating them to be "good americans" and believe in what the anthem is about. We told them to do so, and frankly they were doing it without thinking and blindly doing it. So, I guess I asking what's the difference?

To me the difference is I stood for the pledge or anthem because is was procedural. It's what you did. More or less out of respect. It's what you did. Kinda like you stand in line for lunch, you don't all rush the counter at once. My point is at 11 years old I hadn't formed an opinion on the pledge being racist, homophobic, religious, or anything else. If I walked out of the class and refused to participate on the day they told us about MLK, it wouldn't be because I made my own mind up it would be more than likely because I was told by my parents he was an N word and a POS and don't participate. I go back to me as an 11 year old. All I wanted to do was skate board, play baseball, and think about Michelle Brawner lol. My brain wasn't developed enough to dissect the POA and decide it was racist. Sixth Grader Arrested For Refusing to Say the "Pledge of Allegiance"... 2599972566

Sixth Grader Arrested For Refusing to Say the "Pledge of Allegiance"... 2599972566

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 09:29

kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

True Story:

our daughter, when she was in middle school, decided to stop standing for and participating in the Pledge of Allegiance. I don't know how old she was.. however old kids are in probably 7th or 8th grade - she a) thought it was a weird thing to do in school, b) thinks that America inherently disenfranchises its most vulnerable citizens and c) exercised her First Amendment right not to participate.

she was the only kid for a while.. then she kept doing it all the way until she graduated from ELHS. She told me toward the end that by the time she got to high school, probably about 1/3 of the class would stay seated.

not that she's a Rosa Parks-type.. 'cause she's not. But I thought it was cool of her to engage in independent, informed thought. She told me once she only had one teacher who asserted himself into why she chose not to participate. He asked her to stay after class because he wanted to talk to her about it - (Full Disclosure: he's a good dude... but kind of embodies the football coach (no offense DWags) toxic masculinity persona) - she articulated her reasons to him and he was cool with it. He even told my wife and I during parent teacher conferences that he admired her ability to explain herself to him.

anyway - the whole thing is silly. Trying to indoctrinate kids via faux patriotism. That's the thing that stands out to me the most (absent the racism, bigotry, etc. that America stands for).

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 09:31

kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

oh - and kids grow up in different homes with different experiences.

that's why.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2019-02-19, 09:35

by **kingstonlake** 2019-02-19, 09:43

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.
True Story:

our daughter, when she was in middle school, decided to stop standing for and participating in the Pledge of Allegiance. I don't know how old she was.. however old kids are in probably 7th or 8th grade - she a) thought it was a weird thing to do in school, b) thinks that America inherently disenfranchises its most vulnerable citizens and c) exercised her First Amendment right not to participate.

she was the only kid for a while.. then she kept doing it all the way until she graduated from ELHS. She told me toward the end that by the time she got to high school, probably about 1/3 of the class would stay seated.

not that she's a Rosa Parks-type.. 'cause she's not. But I thought it was cool of her to engage in independent, informed thought. She told me once she only had one teacher who asserted himself into why she chose not to participate. He asked her to stay after class because he wanted to talk to her about it - (Full Disclosure: he's a good dude... but kind of embodies the football coach (no offense DWags) toxic masculinity persona) - she articulated her reasons to him and he was cool with it. He even told my wife and I during parent teacher conferences that he admired her ability to explain herself to him.

anyway - the whole thing is silly. Trying to indoctrinate kids via faux patriotism. That's the thing that stands out to me the most (absent the racism, bigotry, etc. that America stands for).

If I had to guess I'd say A) was her most honest feelings. I'm guessing B) and C) were feelings she's developed as she got older and more understanding of things in her life. We're all different and raise our kids how we see fit. I get that. I get it for you, that kid in FLA, and that cub scout kid. In my mind I see not one benefit to having a sixth grader decide the pledge of allegiance is racist. If he thinks that way through his own discovery, fine. I just doubt he figured it out at 11. Maybe he did, who knows. But I think it was a case of coaching over conscious thought. And I don't agree with that coaching anymore than I do beating it into a kids head that he must like girls and if he doesn't, he's wrong.

by **Heat Miser** 2019-02-19, 09:49

kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

The same way an 11 year old knows how to bully other kids. Or to tell the brown kid to go back where he came from. Or which table he's allowed to sit at for lunch. You must have went to Shangri-la elementary where all children were always mindful, respectful, and inclusive of others.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2019-02-19, 09:56

Do most school districts stand for the pledge of allegiance? I remember doing it up until 3rd grade and then it wasn't a thing anymore. This would have been around 1983.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 09:57

kingstonlake wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
True Story:

our daughter, when she was in middle school, decided to stop standing for and participating in the Pledge of Allegiance. I don't know how old she was.. however old kids are in probably 7th or 8th grade - she a) thought it was a weird thing to do in school, b) thinks that America inherently disenfranchises its most vulnerable citizens and c) exercised her First Amendment right not to participate.

she was the only kid for a while.. then she kept doing it all the way until she graduated from ELHS. She told me toward the end that by the time she got to high school, probably about 1/3 of the class would stay seated.

not that she's a Rosa Parks-type.. 'cause she's not. But I thought it was cool of her to engage in independent, informed thought. She told me once she only had one teacher who asserted himself into why she chose not to participate. He asked her to stay after class because he wanted to talk to her about it - (Full Disclosure: he's a good dude... but kind of embodies the football coach (no offense DWags) toxic masculinity persona) - she articulated her reasons to him and he was cool with it. He even told my wife and I during parent teacher conferences that he admired her ability to explain herself to him.

anyway - the whole thing is silly. Trying to indoctrinate kids via faux patriotism. That's the thing that stands out to me the most (absent the racism, bigotry, etc. that America stands for).

If I had to guess I'd say A) was her most honest feelings. I'm guessing B) and C) were feelings she's developed as she got older and more understanding of things in her life. We're all different and raise our kids how we see fit. I get that. I get it for you, that kid in FLA, and that cub scout kid. In my mind I see not one benefit to having a sixth grader decide the pledge of allegiance is racist. If he thinks that way through his own discovery, fine. I just doubt he figured it out at 11. Maybe he did, who knows. But I think it was a case of coaching over conscious thought. And I don't agree with that coaching anymore than I do beating it into a kids head that he must like girls and if he doesn't, he's wrong.

meh - I don't know enough about the 11 year old kid in Florida..

but if someone asked me about my vision for America and I was presented with a kid who thinks the pledge is a symbol of a racist America and participates in a silent protest or the rich white kid bigots at Covington Catholic wearing the MAGA hats at a "pro-life" rally... gimme the 11 year old kid any day of the week.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 09:58

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Do most school districts stand for the pledge of allegiance? I remember doing it up until 3rd grade and then it wasn't a thing anymore. This would have been around 1983.

it's a weird thing, isn't it?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 09:59

Heat Miser wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

The same way an 11 year old knows how to bully other kids. Or to tell the brown kid to go back where he came from. Or which table he's allowed to sit at for lunch. You must have went to Shangri-la elementary where all children were always mindful, respectful, and inclusive of others.

yep - whether it's Shangri-La Elementary or a black kid who has to be mindful not to put his hands in his pockets when the police drive by, kids are a product of their environment.

by **Dr. Strangelove** 2019-02-19, 10:07

Stupid.

Little free thinking troublemaker and stupid move by school. The move is to make him sit in hall during Pledge.

In NC kids stand for Pledge every morning K-12

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2019-02-19, 10:09

kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

Allow me to play devils devils advocate- If a kid can’t fathom why they shouldn’t stand up for the pledge of allegiance, then they conversely can’t fathom why they should and thus they just shouldn’t have a pledge of allegiance at all because like you said, they are just doing it because they are being told to so what’s the point at all, just skip it.

It is quite a silly thing if you think about it. Just skip it.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 10:12

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

Allow me to play devils devils advocate- If a kid can’t fathom why they shouldn’t stand up for the pledge of allegiance, then they conversely can’t fathom why they should and thus they just shouldn’t have a pledge of allegiance at all because like you said, they are just doing it because they are being told to so what’s the point at all, just skip it.

It is quite a silly thing if you think about it. Just skip it.

I don't remember the last time I've stood for the national anthem.

and I don't remember the last time I've even heard the pledge of allegiance.

it's just weird as hell.

by **Heat Miser** 2019-02-19, 10:12

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Stupid.

Little free thinking troublemaker and stupid move by school. The move is to make him sit in hall during Pledge.

In NC kids stand for Pledge every morning K-12

The "move" is to "let" him sit at his desk during the pledge per his constitutional rights.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2019-02-19, 10:14

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Allow me to play devils devils advocate- If a kid can’t fathom why they shouldn’t stand up for the pledge of allegiance, then they conversely can’t fathom why they should and thus they just shouldn’t have a pledge of allegiance at all because like you said, they are just doing it because they are being told to so what’s the point at all, just skip it.

It is quite a silly thing if you think about it. Just skip it.
I don't remember the last time I've stood for the national anthem.

and I don't remember the last time I've even heard the pledge of allegiance.

it's just weird as hell.

I pledge all of my allegiances to your avatar every time I see it. It’s exhausting but it’s worth it because it makes God happy.

by **Heat Miser** 2019-02-19, 10:19

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

Allow me to play devils devils advocate- If a kid can’t fathom why they shouldn’t stand up for the pledge of allegiance, then they conversely can’t fathom why they should and thus they just shouldn’t have a pledge of allegiance at all because like you said, they are just doing it because they are being told to so what’s the point at all, just skip it.

It is quite a silly thing if you think about it. Just skip it.
I don't remember the last time I've stood for the national anthem.

and I don't remember the last time I've even heard the pledge of allegiance.

it's just weird as hell.

Spartan football game.

And why sporting events but not concerts or other large gatherings of people? Seems arbitrary.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2019-02-19, 10:23

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.
oh - and kids grow up in different homes with different experiences.

that's why.

Sixth Grader Arrested For Refusing to Say the "Pledge of Allegiance"... 1966794946

i don’t git it!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 10:24

Heat Miser wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I don't remember the last time I've stood for the national anthem.

and I don't remember the last time I've even heard the pledge of allegiance.

it's just weird as hell.

Spartan football game.

And why sporting events but not concerts or other large gatherings of people? Seems arbitrary.

I usually just sit there.. not out of a social justice silent protest or anything - just because faux patriotism is pathetic and doesn't belong at a football game, etc.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 10:25

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I don't remember the last time I've stood for the national anthem.

and I don't remember the last time I've even heard the pledge of allegiance.

it's just weird as hell.

I pledge all of my allegiances to your avatar every time I see it. It’s exhausting but it’s worth it because it makes God happy.

and you will receive God's beautiful reward on judgement day.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-02-19, 10:28

Heat Miser wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

The same way an 11 year old knows how to bully other kids. Or to tell the brown kid to go back where he came from. Or which table he's allowed to sit at for lunch. You must have went to Shangri-la elementary where all children were always mindful, respectful, and inclusive of others.

Where do you think they learn that behavior?

by **Rocinante** 2019-02-19, 10:31

Guys. It wasn’t about the pledge of allegiance to a flag that represents his ancestors being dragged to the country in chains. It was about him “causing a disturbance.” Kid has balls, wherever he got the information from, and now, they’ve proven everything he was thinking correct.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-02-19, 10:40

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:oh - and kids grow up in different homes with different experiences.

that's why.

i don’t git it!

That makes one of us.

We're all different and raise our kids how we see fit. I get that. I get it for you, that kid in FLA, and that cub scout kid.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 10:40

Rocinante wrote:Guys. It wasn’t about the pledge of allegiance to a flag that represents his ancestors being dragged to the country in chains. It was about him “causing a disturbance.” Kid has balls, wherever he got the information from, and now, they’ve proven everything he was thinking correct.

indeed.

by **Cameron** 2019-02-19, 11:34

Teachers who need police to control a sixth grader should probably find a new line of work.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-19, 12:53

Cameron wrote:Teachers who need police to control a sixth grader should probably find a new line of work.

truth.

sounds like the district did the right thing and showed her the door.

by **DWags** 2019-02-19, 12:55

Cameron wrote:Teachers who need police to control a sixth grader should probably find a new line of work.

Lol. You have no idea. This is the result of you being in a decent grade school growing up and a family that at least semi respected education.

by **Cameron** 2019-02-19, 13:06

DWags wrote:
Cameron wrote:Teachers who need police to control a sixth grader should probably find a new line of work.

Lol. You have no idea. This is the result of you being in a decent grade school growing up and a family that at least semi respected education.

You're right. One of my friends teaches HS in Lansing, and he has some stories. Even just mundane shit like kids calling him bro and refusing to put their phones away. You can't hit them, so what do you do?

I was thinking it should be easier to keep sixth graders in line, but that's probably ignorance on my part.

Having said that, it's clear to me that everything was not handled correctly here. Being that the substitute was asked to leave or whatever, the school district seems to agree.

by **Rocinante** 2019-02-19, 13:09

Cameron wrote:
DWags wrote:

Lol. You have no idea. This is the result of you being in a decent grade school growing up and a family that at least semi respected education.

You're right. One of my friends teaches HS in Lansing, and he has some stories. Even just mundane shit like kids calling him bro and refusing to put their phones away. You can't hit them, so what do you do?

I was thinking it should be easier to keep sixth graders in line, but that's probably ignorance on my part.

Having said that, it's clear to me that everything was not handled correctly here. Being that the substitute was asked to leave or whatever, the school district seems to agree.

Well they are going to get sued and lose so I hope they’re ready to settle.

by **kingstonlake** 2019-02-19, 16:13

Ya know, if the teacher was armed..... They wouldn't have to call police.... Sixth Grader Arrested For Refusing to Say the "Pledge of Allegiance"... 1550444538

by **InTenSity** 2019-02-19, 16:44

kingstonlake wrote:Ya know, if the teacher was armed..... They wouldn't have to call police....

It's Florida, I'm surprised they weren't.
Honestly, dropping my son off at school now feels like some type of detention center. Can only be dropped off at the front, we need to wait outside until the teacher gets him. It's weird. Not all the schools are like that, just some.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2019-02-19, 16:49

kingstonlake wrote:Ya know, if the teacher was armed..... They wouldn't have to call police....

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2019-02-19, 16:52

InTenSity wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Ya know, if the teacher was armed..... They wouldn't have to call police....
It's Florida, I'm surprised they weren't.
Honestly, dropping my son off at school now feels like some type of detention center. Can only be dropped off at the front, we need to wait outside until the teacher gets him. It's weird. Not all the schools are like that, just some.

So the teacher has to come outside to collect kids multiple times in the morning? That sounds like a pain in the ass. I'm assuming there is just a bunch of kids milling about with their parents until their respective teacher shows up to allow them in? How do school buses work?

by **InTenSity** 2019-02-19, 17:49

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
InTenSity wrote:
It's Florida, I'm surprised they weren't.
Honestly, dropping my son off at school now feels like some type of detention center. Can only be dropped off at the front, we need to wait outside until the teacher gets him. It's weird. Not all the schools are like that, just some.

So the teacher has to come outside to collect kids multiple times in the morning? That sounds like a pain in the ass. I'm assuming there is just a bunch of kids milling about with their parents until their respective teacher shows up to allow them in? How do school buses work?

This is only for the ESE kids. Special ed. The other kids enter through another entrance. I'm not good at long explanations.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2019-02-20, 09:44

kingstonlake wrote:Allow me to play Devil's advocate. How does an 11 year old know or think the pledge of allegiance is racist? I'm not interested in why we as adults think it is or isn't. I'm talking about the kid. Same with the kid taking a knee at at the cub scout thing. Man my sixth grader is going to be playing with her friends. In sixth grade all I wanted to do was play baseball and skate board. Not be told what to think about race by my parents, school, TV, the web, etc. There's no way an 11 year old makes that stance without being coached or told the pledge of allegiance is racist. Honestly, I feel bad the kid can't just be a kid. Merica.

here's the little patriot kid who is 7 and running a hot chocolate stand in hopes of raising money to keep out scary brown people.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

here's a quote from his patriotic mom:

Mom, Jennifer, said she never encouraged her son to get political.

"They should be kids," said Jennifer. "I just happen to have very mature seven-year-old who wants to be involved in this. That's what he wants to do".

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