Is Pulling a pilot? Somebody is into aviation

I don't know but the older I get the more I hate flying.

I think Pulling tried to fly, but ended up breaking both his elbows when gravity won. Hopefully they're all better now.
He may have a pilot's license, though.

The FAA issues the order. The president just announced it because... I don't know. He likes announcing things. And yes, planes have been grounded for safety issues before.

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:The FAA issues the order. The president just announced it because... I don't know. He likes announcing things. And yes, planes have been grounded for safety issues before.

A whole line or specific planes? Is this like a recall? I guess I’ve never heard of it before.

Dreamliner was grounded by FAA

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:The FAA issues the order.  The president just announced it because... I don't know.  He likes announcing things.  And yes, planes have been grounded for safety issues before.  

A whole line or specific planes?  Is this like a recall?   I guess I’ve never heard of it before.

OBAMA!!!

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/12/us-should-ground-boeing-737-max-jets-ex-transportation-chief-lahood.html

In January 2013, after two Japanese airlines experienced battery-related malfunctions, all Boeing 787 Dreamliner jets were taken out of service in the United States. Regulators around the world, at the time, followed LaHood’s lead. The grounding lasted about four months in the U.S., while Boeing repaired the battery systems on the planes to make sure they would not catch fire.

I.B. Fine wrote:I think Pulling tried to fly, but ended up breaking both his elbows when gravity won. Hopefully they're all better now.
He may have a pilot's license, though.

It didn’t help that Pulling has chicken wing arms.

steveschneider wrote:I don't know but the older I get the more I hate flying.

Same with me. Use to fly a few times a year but haven't been on a plane in about 15.

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:The FAA issues the order. The president just announced it because... I don't know. He likes announcing things. And yes, planes have been grounded for safety issues before.

A whole line or specific planes? Is this like a recall? I guess I’ve never heard of it before.

I heard this morning, before this announcement, that several countries (I want to say maybe as many as 20, or at least over 10) had already banned this line of planes from flying a while ago, and that people were calling on the US to do the same. So this isn't a Trump thing or even an over-zealous US thing. We're latecomers to this.

Always thought the 737 was a reliable plane...? Maybe it's just this new-ish variant?

The Pantry wrote:

steveschneider wrote:I don't know but the older I get the more I hate flying.

Same with me. Use to fly a few times a year but haven't been on a plane in about 15.

How do you travel?

The Pantry wrote:Always thought the 737 was a reliable plane...? Maybe it's just this new-ish variant?

Yeah, I think these are brand spanking new planes and a different version of the original 737.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Same with me. Use to fly a few times a year but haven't been on a plane in about 15.

How do you travel?

Teleportation is real.

The Pantry wrote:Always thought the 737 was a reliable plane...? Maybe it's just this new-ish variant?

I'm pretty sure it's a software issue, not a hardware issue. The problems that have been reported all have to do with the plane overcorrecting and nosing down as soon as autopilot in engaged, and then problems recovering when autopilot is disengaged.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Same with me.  Use to fly a few times a year but haven't been on a plane in about 15.

How do you travel?

Don't much anymore.  Drove to Raleigh for my niece's funeral a few years ago.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I drove to North Carolina five times in four months recently. Driving down again for probably the last time ever in a few weeks.

I used to hate driving down.. would much rather fly - but I got to the point where I kind of enjoyed it. Listening to music.. stopping for coffee, pit stops at diners - chatting with locals. Seemed kind of cathartic.

See? Bob gets it.

Drove down to look at some property in a mountain development not far from Lake Lure years back. Beer store not far from the entrance had pickled eggs in a jar next to the cash register. Tight road in that development, sometimes requiring backing up to get around hairpins. Power steering on the Suburban broke the 2nd day there. Kind of a bitch driving it back to Michigan, especially stopping for gas or to eat when it was extra ornery in slow speed turning. Sorta surprised the steering wheel didn't break off the way I had to reef on it.

Rocinante wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Always thought the 737 was a reliable plane...? Maybe it's just this new-ish variant?

I'm pretty sure it's a software issue, not a hardware issue. The problems that have been reported all have to do with the plane overcorrecting and nosing down as soon as autopilot in engaged, and then problems recovering when autopilot is disengaged.

Right, but the front half of the problem is the plane’s tendency to go nose up, which is why the software is supposed to bring it down to level off but overcorrects to the point of going nose down and fights the pilots’ attempts to stabilize things. I admit to feeling some relief, knowing Delta isn’t using these planes. And before I get on one with another airline, imma want to see more than a few months of no problems once the new software is installed and the planes get the green light again.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I drove to North Carolina five times in four months recently. Driving down again for probably the last time ever in a few weeks.

I used to hate driving down.. would much rather fly - but I got to the point where I kind of enjoyed it. Listening to music.. stopping for coffee, pit stops at diners - chatting with locals. Seemed kind of cathartic.

I’ve always accepted flying as something I hated but had to put up with in order to see the world and visit family. I’d always rather drive, but I’ve always enjoyed roaming the country and wish I could do more of it.

Yes I am a pilot, also a CFI(certified flight instructor).... Look out below

tGreenWay wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's a software issue, not a hardware issue. The problems that have been reported all have to do with the plane overcorrecting and nosing down as soon as autopilot in engaged, and then problems recovering when autopilot is disengaged.

Right, but the front half of the problem is the plane’s tendency to go nose up, which is why the software is supposed to bring it down to level off but overcorrects to the point of going nose down and fights the pilots’ attempts to stabilize things. I admit to feeling some relief, knowing Delta isn’t using these planes. And before I get on one with another airline, imma want to see more than a few months of no problems once the new software is installed and the planes get the green light again.

Lookit Greenway dropping some knowledge. I've already flown twice on this model. Glad my wife didn't know about the problems before that. She's already a little leery of flying and that certainly wouldn't have helped.

Sounds like a problem that a decent pilot can handle (though shouldn't have to) especially if they're aware of it, several hundred of these in service and 2 crashes on smaller airlines.
Boeing seems to have slacked on training, at least, for an airplane that is essentially brand new, even though it's still called a 737.

Rocinante wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Right, but the front half of the problem is the plane’s tendency to go nose up, which is why the software is supposed to bring it down to level off but overcorrects to the point of going nose down and fights the pilots’ attempts to stabilize things. I admit to feeling some relief, knowing Delta isn’t using these planes. And before I get on one with another airline, imma want to see more than a few months of no problems once the new software is installed and the planes get the green light again.

Lookit Greenway dropping some knowledge. I've already flown twice on this model. Glad my wife didn't know about the problems before that. She's already a little leery of flying and that certainly wouldn't have helped.

Nah. It’s pretty easy to fake your way through most stuff once you realize all the numbskulls posting here are Turtleneck-level dummies.